interesting reading about 36.4.5.6-> 13

[patro]

hi all,

I was thinking about a situation... and I come up that at first the matter must be discussed... since this will not happen no progress is possible!

well... I ask: will I and B talk about the situation?

the answer was 36.4.5.6-> 13

I also find a post were lightofdarkness talk about the metter.. his answer about was:

36 uses the inside to hide the light in that it is not the 'right' time to express that light - you need like minded people around you to do that (expressed in 13). The indication here is you are in the wrong context to express yourself openly.

as you can see the answer mirror the nature of my question.

any one have experience with this image?

thanks in advance or any answer and tough.

Patro

PS: original link of the answer
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showpost.php?p=24597&postcount=2

 

[patro]

what I understand ... is that I must avoid directly the argument with this person.
I must wait that the darkness will end alone.... wait that - someone other(?) - will begin to talk about!
or must I wait that B will change personal point of view about... and talk about with me?

 

[Trojina]

what I understand ... is that I must avoid directly the argument with this person.
I must wait that the darkness will end alone.... wait that - someone other(?) - will begin to talk about!
or must I wait that B will change personal point of view about... and talk about with me?

Yes, it doesn't seem in your best interest to be very open with the other person at this moment...maybe for now play along with with their perception of the situation. If they say 'its like this' and you don't agree don't be too direct about saying so. If its a dispute I feel 36.6 will naturally indicate in time who is right and you won't need to confront them.

I see 13 as the background/context. Perhaps this person is just part of your group and you can get along on a superficial level. Although I also wonder if whats happening between you is a group concern also

 

[patro]

I see 13 as the background/context. Perhaps this person is just part of your group and you can get along on a superficial level.

I agree about this.
the answer of lightofdarkness let me think that another possible answer could be:
I can't start directly the discussion with B... I must wait that B indirectly try in more steps to introduce the discussion with me.

to have confirmation about what I'm supposing I ask:
B would talk to me of the situation?
32 unchanging.

this kind of question in Italian means that "B wants to.. but but the position isn't ideal"

32: seams that B want to talk about since time.. and she will do it for a long time(?)

 

[Trojina]

Generally I take 32 unchanging to be that things will remain as they have been...there is no change of direction., a person doesn't change their mind.

There probably are other ways to see 32 unchanging here though, but thats how i see it

 

[patro]

Generally I take 32 unchanging to be that things will remain as they have been...there is no change of direction., a person doesn't change their mind.

There probably are other ways to see 32 unchanging here though, but thats how i see it

You are confirming my theorem.

 

[pocossin]

Do you and B share the same enemies -- taking "enemies" figuratively to mean similar difficulties in life? If you cooperate with B on common difficulties this would provide a context for discussing other matters.

 

[patro]

Do you and B share the same enemies -- taking "enemies" figuratively to mean similar difficulties in life? If you cooperate with B on common difficulties this would provide a context for discussing other matters.

no we have no enemies in common... but she is more involved with enemies of mine.

 

[pocossin]

Hexagram 36 suggests to me that you and B (your Beatrice?) are being held back by the same forces, and 13, that you can unite against them.

 

[patro]

Hexagram 36 suggests to me that you and B (your Beatrice?) are being held back by the same forces, and 13, that you can unite against them.

sorry pocossin but this is not a beatrice topic! I see that WF spirit still lingers
probably you are right about the forces and their effects on the situation.

 

[pocossin]

sorry pocossin but this is not a beatrice topic! I see that WF spirit still lingers
probably you are right about the forces and their effects on the situation.

Yes, WF is on my mind often. She once told me I was "on the team" but has turned against me and run off into the woods to chase rabbits. But your question is

will I and B talk about the situation?

And I think the answer is, You will if you first establish common ground.

 

[patro]

but the sixth line of 36 the exit from the situation and also the line of wisdom talk about to wait that bad time go to end...
fifth line talk about to conform to situation and to submit superficially to the situation.
forth line talk about something that is impossible that could happen.

but you say: And I think the answer is, You will if you first establish common ground.

please if possible explain me where you see this possibility.

 

[pocossin]

but the sixth line of 36 the exit from the situation and also the line of wisdom talk about to wait that bad time go to end...
fifth line talk about to conform to situation and to submit superficially to the situation.
forth line talk about something that is impossible that could happen.

but you say: And I think the answer is, You will if you first establish common ground.

please if possible explain me where you see this possibility.

Speaking of Foxes, Hexagram 36 is like hiding in a foxhole. When you and B are in the same foxhole, you can talk of anything. In line four, you grasp the heart of the matter. In line five, you lie low and play dumb, ignoring the forces of the outer world. In line six, hopes rise and fall. Shared passions make common ground.

Six at the top means:
Not light but darkness.
First he climbed up to heaven,
Then he plunged into the depths of the earth.

 

[patro]

When you and B are in the same foxhole, you can talk of anything.

well I will try by phone... tomorrow I will call to talk about an up coming trip and see what happens.

 

[patro]

well...phone call accomplished.

before the phone call I tossed coins and I say (not question)...
today I will call X!
IC answer 49.3.5-> 51

well... how do you think that things gone?

I will post the solution later.

 

[pocossin]

well...phone call accomplished.

before the phone call I tossed coins and I say (not question)...
today I will call X!
IC answer 49.3.5-> 51

well... how do you think that things gone?

If you turned on the Patro charm and were diplomatic, how could your phone call fail? But if you teased (as you did WF) X (otherwise known as B) would run off too.

49 suggests change in both her and you, and 51 a pleasant shock. I think things went better than you expected.

 

[patro]

If you turned on the Patro charm and were diplomatic, how could your phone call fail? But if you teased (as you did WF) X (otherwise known as B) would run off too.

49 suggests change in both her and you, and 51 a pleasant shock. I think things went better than you expected.

nope & nope & again nope

Patro wrote:
"well I will try by phone... tomorrow I will call to talk about an up coming trip and see what happens."

about teased, charm.... as I jut say.... the phone was about a trip (in group) and not a Beatrice situation! what I have to discuss whit Y haven't to do with something romantic.

PS:
about wf.. to me it seams that you are a bit biased about... at the beginning I didn't teased WF, indeed I advised her to not exaggerate with me... because I'm not like those with whom she is accustomed to discuss. but she didn't listen to me...
I must not suffer someone just because we know her behavior. this has nothing to do with being educated.

 

[gato]

36-13 you probably won't see B for a long time.

 

[patro]

36-13 you probably won't see B for a long time.

have nothing to do with this... phone call is another way for talk about something.

anyway... we will meet in less than 5 weeks and we will stay together for 4 fully days 24 hours!

 

[gato]

we will meet in less than 5 weeks

i doubt it, but let me know

 

[patro]

i doubt it, but let me know

the question wasn't about meet or not meet... but to discuss a certain argument.
we can meet but still not talk about... and it's probably!

 

[pocossin]

nope & nope & again nope

No progess at all? No meeting of minds? I'm disappointed, but let's wait and see what happens on the trip.

 

[patro]

well..
to day a phone the person to talk about the trip... but X didn't answer to my call... but after a while X called back...
we had a generic small talk about 5 min and we remain to meet with all in less than 5 weeks! flight tickets are just bought!
that's all!

before to toss coins...I were sure that X wouldn't talk about the matter in any way..

the third line of 49... talk about the right time... and today wasn't the right "time"... I also can't understand the meaning of 51...