Intro & 28.2.3.4.5 - 2

[re5ga]

Howdy,

While normally more than a bit reticent about introductions, from what I have read thus far I suspect you will welcome this. I am a native Manhattanite, classically educated, well read, street-gang teener, also slightly sensitive. Seven or eight years after leaving the military (drafted), with two or three of them as a beatnik and three or four working in radio, the IC was discovered upon publication by Princeton; I've been using it on and off, on and off since. In 1974 I took my family and left NYC winding up in a SF suburb.

In May 2001, after retiring from the SF newspaper in March, curiousity of a 50th scholastic reunion led to a return to NYC for a weekend. I was back home, the city and me were unchanged relationally even after a twenty-seven year separation. Upon returning to California, my wife and I directly moved almost 200 miles north to our retirement property in redwood country. In July, at least twice, I dreamt of running through Manhattan streets being pursued from afar by a towering cloud of smoke and ducking into a storefront for safety. It made no sense; I rarely dream. September that year I saw my dream on TV.

In the ensuing few years I have found myself increasingly turning to the IC to the extent of acquiring over thirty-some books on the subject. This July past, reviewing what I'd been doing and done, I thought to ask: How correct is it to devote (seriously) myself to understanding and applying the IC? I use a thirty-two card deck made of the trigrams in yarrow proportions and received this: 8 9 9 9 9 8. 28 changing to 2. Never before have I gotten more than three moving lines nor a 2 in any aspect. I read this, in the rough, as: Lines three and four cancel out, stay the course. Unfortunately when I posted this result to the US lists it failed of any remark. Comment truly welcome for I do not think I've seen the last of it yet. Thank you.

R.

 

[stuart]

I think the situation is one of inbalance due to your twilight years.Line two- Even though you are old in human years,the yi is very much older ,so you have a relationship between the old and the young.Perhaps line three- suggests being too eager to follow.The forth line- is renewed strength after the problem of line three is cleared up.Line five -is an honest understanding of the situation,It is not negative in your case due to the extrodinary situation of a older person finding the yi in his twilight years.No doubt very much could have been gained from the situation if you had discovered the yi at an earlier age!.But it is a positive assesment overall.

 

[dobro p]

28.2 runs counter to 28.5

28.3 runs counter to 28.4

It's a perfect picture of contradictory influences and forces at work.

I think it's got less to do with the question you asked about consulting the Yi, and more to do with the fact that you've gone way beyond that other group you mentioned and came here.

 

[jeanystar]

I thnk age is irrelevant to the I ching...except that perhaps with age, sensitivities increase and awareness is deepened.
Your dream about 9/11 is remarkable.
My take is that perhaps this hexagram speaks to the world situation, and the value of using the Yi in such times. The situation is at a crisis point....Responsiveness is needed, particularly the kind of responsiveness one acquires when conversing with the Yi.
I thnk you and probably others will benefit from your serious understanding and applying of the Yi at this point in time.
Jeannie

 

[candid]

Hi Re5ga,

Sounds as though we?ve trodden similar paths, from the Northeast to the redwoods, radio background, age, etc. Your prophetic dream sounds haunting. I don?t think I envy you there.

Here?s my take on your reading. I tend to understate, so bear with me.

Each line appears to me as a road. Devoting yourself to the Yi has various results, depending upon how it?s used and to what end. Here, the water rises over the trees (lake over wood), representing a flood. I take this to mean that there is potential danger in your ?devotion to? the IC.

Line 3: This indicates danger resulting from pushing further than is necessary, or pressing forward with too much zeal and determination. The sense of accomplishment becomes greater than the fruit itself.

Line 4: Success in movement, but only if the Yi is used for the general welfare rather just personal gain. Naturally we seek to improve ourselves and our conditions, but in the end it?s what is given to others that we ourselves receive.

Line 5: Follows formalities, but no renewal takes place. This is pretty subjective on my part, but to me this means, learning the rudiments, the mechanics, the background, but not digesting the life into your being.

Line 6: Determination endangers your way of life. In essence: you drown in it. You can lose many things by gaining what is most important to you. Nevertheless, if you?ve purposed it in your mind and heart to follow Yi, that?s what you will do. If knowing Yi is that important to you, then go for it, even if you have to go it alone.

Relating 2: To bear the weight, to carry on, to care for, to follow, to be responsive and responsible. I read this as saying, it depends on your approach to the Yi. Based on this, you seem to approach this with great intensity, which has the potential to swamp you. Just remember your responsibility as a steward of the work. Yi isn?t just a tool to satisfy ambitions.

I can see why you didn?t receive a response on the other sites. This reading isn?t exactly comforting.

 

[bradford_h]

Welcome R-
Just a thought here.
Sometimes when doing a Tarot reading you will find its meaning on a level above text and subtext. For example, eight out of tem cards might be swords or trumps. So you explore this unusual occurrence more than the individual card meanings.
In the case of your 28, all of the Yang goes away.
The ridgepole just vanishes. It open you up to the sky. There's a whole new world to be learned of and from, and Kun is much about learning or absorbing.

 

[candid]

Brad, great point! Never looked at 28-2 that way.

 

[dobro p]

Brad - brilliant - so obvious. So unnoticed by me. LOL

 

[yly2pg1]

while pursuing your passion with IC, good to look into the hidden connection btw npn/pnp with the trigrams.

 

[re5ga]

Please pardon the delay in getting back but I had to replace the keyboard, which over the holiday weekend proved difficult. Multiple thank yous to those who spent the energy to comment. I don't know if this is practice here, but I should like to address those comments in order.

Stuart: The IC, as I know it, is ageless. I OTOH am still a seven-year-old boy looking at the world and wondering what is going to happen next. Got sort of stuck in that mode when upon being sent one summer afternoon to the local grocery, two blocks away, to get milk and I had gone about a half block when I heard a ker-thump behind me. I turned to see the body of a woman, four or five feet away, where she had landed upon jumping out of a fifth-story window. I turned back and went to get the milk. So, in a sense, I also consider myself ageless. I did discover the IC at an earlier age; I still have that first W/B purchased in the late '60s along with the books acquired and studied on and off, on and off.

Dobro: 28.2 vs. 28.5 I don't read as counter. "Everything furthers." vs. "No blame. No praise." Strip them of the gender bias and they are no more than role reversal. No matter. 28.3 vs. 28.4 more than counter one another, they nullify each other if one can get past them. There is a question beneath the first one, which obviously you cannot know, and it references "applying" in the original. There are people willing to throw money at me for readings and I have always declined. In past times I was eagerly willing to fleece any sheep who came along; now, in some areas at least, I find I have a 'good' conscience.

Jeanystar: I've no wish to be involved in the world situation for that's why I dropped out of management track twice before. I was good at it yet I did not like the person I became so I left it.

Candid: Reference point: 25 miles north of Willits. Sorry, you left out 28.2 while 28.6 does not enter into it at all. However, as you note: "even if you have to go it alone." That's exactly what I will do.

Bradford: Know nothing of Tarot beyond the name but if you are analogizing to eight or nine of a suit in a bridge hand then I follow; that's where I leave my finessing also, my bridge game. Thank you for the gestalten overview. That abashes me for I so often admonish others not to forget the entirety of the traversal by getting hung up on a line or two or an image or two.

Yly2pg1: Sorry, the only "npn/pnp" I am familiar with have to do with semiconductor/transistor construction and use which clearly is an whole other IC world.

R.

 

[candid]

Re5ga, so I did. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[jeanystar]

Re5ga...
we are ALL involved in the world situation! even if we are just observing, feeling it indirectly, or maybe even having prophetic dreams about it.
BUt if its just to ask about your own personal situations, I still think the IC is a helpful companion. Happy divining.
Jeannie

 

[stuart]

I have been thinking about hex 28 line two and five.
How i see there relationship is like this.When you get older you tend to look back and wish you could have done this and that, instead of the other-line 5.
If you were to go back you would still make the same mistakes because thats what being young is all about-line 2.

so what we have is potential for growth and no futher growth where both lines contradict if drawn together.
Or they could just be about relationships with age gaps!

 

[hilary]

Welcome, Re5ga - embarrassingly late, sorry, but I tend to turn up here in fits and starts. I'm very glad to meet you! Just visited your profile and like the sound of your pets.

I don't think I can add anything on 28 to 2 - especially not to what Brad said: it all falls away and you are left with the open, limitless earth. But in case you haven't already discovered it, do visit LiSe's site and look up #28.

 

[heylise]

If you look only to the hexagrams, then a very clear picture emerges. Hexagram 28 has a lot to do with retiring. The transition from working life to the age of wisdom.
Women live a life of dedication, receiving, being wife and mother. And after that life, another one starts. Nature makes the balance move to a more ?active? side, many women start something creative, and develop a wisdom of coping with life.
For men the active life comes to an end, and they too get a chance to catch up with what has been in the background: their feeling and receiving side. They too develop wisdom, but more focused on ?female? qualities, the qualities they had to neglect for a large part in their life.
Yi?s answer seems to be about this new phase of life. A transition (28 is literally going across a pass), towards Kun, the most receiving and fertile hexagram of all.

LiSe

 

[bradford_h]

I wonderr if this might apply here

When I lay asleep, then did a sheep eat at the ivy-wreath on my head,--it ate, and said thereby:
"Zarathustra is no longer a scholar."
It said this, and went away clumsily and proudly. A child told it to me.
I like to lie here where the children play, beside the ruined wall, among thistles and red poppies.

Nietzsche

 

[re5ga]

Everything is changeable; the responses from the IC are not statements of predestination, fated. That is how I understand it. This causes welcoming of multiple moving lines for they admit of alternative outcomes if I can deflect a change or more. I have had opportunity to see this occur in the past. IOW in this instance instead of 2 I see routes to 7, 15, 16, and 8. Could any of them be preferable?

I do know now that I shall not accept remuneration or hang out a shingle.

Brad: That is a fine locale. It brings memories of Central Park, my childhood yard, back.

 

[stuart]

Also if i was a middle aged man and consulted the yi over a marriage with a younger lady .
suppose i got hexigram 28 with moving lines 2 and 5.
i would watch out for the mother in law !