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Is my usb flashdrive lost forever > Hex 63 unchanging

I take that as a yes?
 

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I think 63 unchanged is pretty obvious: the big dude on the bus stepped on it. :eek:
 

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hahahahahaha, thats funny but no that would suck.
 

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Try this: stand in the center of your home, facing south, and ask: "where is my pendrive?". We will help you locate it.

By now, the answer seems to include your pendrive (Kan), but it's too generic due to the fact that you posed a different question. I'd try searching south, anyway, or among some books/papers/documents, or in the kitchen. (we only have Li as a clue. not much)
 

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In hex 63 everything is at its correct place... maybe you or someone else have tidied it up and don't remember where.
Its "correct place" may even be among computer memories or plugged into some pc.
It also suggests me the problem is that there is too much order, you have to mess things up a bit to find it.

You can also try and consider the fifth line as moving (center of Kan): now Kan disappears and can't be found (but it's still there as a nuclear). Kan is covered by Kun, so you can look into some cloth bag or pocket, or into something black, in the dark anyway. This is also suggested by the derivative hex 36.
At 63.5 a small and sincere offering is beneficial. At 36.5 it is beneficial to persist.
A new direction also emerges, SW. At 63.5 "the neighbour in the west" is blessed; Li is South; Kun, covering Kan, is SW.

I think you'll find it eventually. Just let something go.
 
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I found it in my pants pocket! The pants that I never wear!!! haha at last!
 

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Is my usb flashdrive lost forever > Hex 63 unchanging

I take that as a yes?

I found it in my pants pocket! The pants that I never wear!!! haha at last!

Very useful feedback!!! 63 can be tricky many times . I tend to see it as "it ain't over till is over"

thanks for sharing :)
 

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Kan is covered by Kun, so you can look into some cloth bag or pocket, or into something black, in the dark anyway. This is also suggested by the derivative hex 36.

Wow Tiziano, thats an impressive interpretation. Could you explain your reasoning a bit more please especially with regards to how to came to say that Kan covered by Kun means cloth bag or pocket, and whats the derivative, and how does one get it?
Thanks.
 

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Wow! He was right! But I found it when I wasnt even looking lol
 

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Wow Tiziano, thats an impressive interpretation. Could you explain your reasoning a bit more please especially with regards to how to came to say that Kan covered by Kun means cloth bag or pocket, and whats the derivative, and how does one get it?
Thanks.

Thank you Mythili, and thank you jp78 for your feedback.

So, the intuition of looking at the fifth line was a good one. :)

The very first thing I noticed was the presence of trigram Kan. I knew from my personal experience that it could represent a usb flashdrive (I had lost one and it appeared in my reading, and in that circumstance an expert helped me find it describing its exact location).
I've recently posted here (in this thread, post #14) about why a pendrive can be visualised as Kan, so I'm just quoting myself:
Li can represent something written on a physical support (the support is the broken line, the information are the two unbroken lines) because the information is outside and is clearly visible.

On the contrary, once it happened to me that a pendrive I was looking for was represented by Kan, where the support "hides" the information inside it; more clues to this representations are the fact that the information is encrypted, i.e. not human-readable, and the materials themselves, as the "yielding" and inert plastic outside wraps a metallic core where electricity flows (as water flows in a chasm, hidden in the dark).
Kan appears twice in hex 63, both as the outer trigram and as the inner nuclear trigram, so at least one of them is likely to represent the flashdrive.

Then I noticed that the hex was unchanging. As I wrote, I think this is mainly due to the question not being the best possible ("Is my flashdrive lost forever?" -- which also includes personal fear and judgement, thus 'blurring' the picture -- instead of simply "Where is my flashdrive?").
I first thought we only had Li as a clue (it's the only trigram different from Kan in hex 63), so I tried suggesting something based on Li's attributes (see Da Liu's "I Ching Numerology" for an extended list of trigram associations). The south, the documents and the kitchen (=the fireplace) are all attributes of Li.

Then I started thinking about how to focus on a particular line to 'refocus' Yi's picture a bit. When you identify a trigram with an object, in terms of lines that object is often 'located' at the trigram's representative line. Here is what Tuck Chang writes:
Among the three lines of a trigram, there is one line unique or more important than others; it is regarded as the representative line of this trigram and represents this trigram.
The unique line is the one that is minor in gender; according to the principle of the minority leading the majority, it represents the trigram. For example, the top line of the trigram Dui (joy, the marsh) is the only feminine line and it is the representative line.
The trigram Qian (perseverance, the sky) and Kun (submissiveness, the earth) are composed of either all three masculine lines or all three feminine lines; the line in the middle, i.e. at the axle center position, is regarded as the representative line.
The only Kan which is visible (i.e., not nuclear) in hex 63 is centered around line 5, so that would be the position of the pendrive. This also matches with a branch of the tradition that says that when you get an unchanging hexagram, you should take its 'ruling' line into account -- and line 5 is also the ruling line of hex 63, so these two approaches both confirm that we should look at line 5.

If line 5 were changing, we'd get a relating hexagram, namely hex 36. In fact, line 5 is only supposed to change, so I called hex 36 the 'derivative' hex (not sure about the english word I chose, anyway... this is how the french school calls the hexagrams obtained from a given one through the change of a single line; in chinese, however, it is called zhi gua, exactly as the relating hex you get in a reading).

Anyway, I know from my experience that both the text of the changing line(s) and the text of the 'target' lines (the same, but in the relating hex) contain useful information for finding the object. So this is why I read both line 63.5 and 36.5, which altogether said it was fruitful to persevere and that in the end the outcome would have been positive. It also suggested to make a small sacrifice, which I read as "let something go", and that was the real outcome in the sense that the flashdrive was found when jp78 wasn't looking for it anymore. This can also be read as one of the meanings of getting an unchanging hexagram (as "you don't really care", and so: "when you don't care, you'll find it").

The analysis of trigrams then gave me some more information, and also some confirmation.
Kan changes to Kun, via the 'moving' 5th line: this shows Kan disappearing, covered by Kun. According to the Shuogua (see the bottom of this page), Kun "is cloth", and it "brings about shelter"; it is dark, obscurity (Karcher: "the Dark Animal Goddess"); this usually represents objects wrapped into cloth, which both protects and hides them. A confirmation comes from the meaning of hex 36, Brightness Hidden (here not only Li is hidden, but Kan is still present as a nuclear trigram -- and hidden, too -- so the flashdrive hasn't disappeared completely. This can be considered, IMO, Yi's direct answer to jp78's original question: "Is my flashdrive lost forever?")

One final note about directions.
I've deduced southwest as the direction where the flashdrive was likely to be found. As I wrote, it came from different (reciprocally confirming) approaches, mainly the attributes of trigrams and the words of the text. I'd note that, once you identify your object with a single trigram, then the direction is most often to be found in the same changed trigram (here: the flashdrive was Kan, Kan changed into Kun, so the direction was the one associated with Kun: SW -- the Later Heaven always apply here). More indices pointed to south and west, while east was explicitly indicated as 'not fortunate' in the text of line 63.5. So, I would have looked into the whole angle spanning from south to west.
As the reference for directions is the place where you make the consultation and the direction you are facing while throwing the coins, I always suggest to choose a central place and to face south.
As we don't know if jp78 was actually facing south, there's still the option that 'directions' should be taken as relative to his own point of view, so that 'south' actually means 'in front of you' and 'west' is 'to the right'. In that case, I'd also look into that angle (0° to 90° to the right).

Now, we don't have jp78's feedback about this... Of course I could be wrong about that, and knowing how it really was could be really of help for better understanding.
So I'm asking: jp78, would you be so kind as to tell us, at the moment you cast your hexagram, what direction was your flashdrive located? (Both expressed in cardinal directions and in (approximate) degrees relative to the direction you were facing)... It would be great! Thank you!
 
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Im not sure of exactly, but when I casted the question I was sitting upstairs in the living room. My room is downstairs, and the pants in which I found the USB was on the floor and on it was piled under a bunch of clothes. I only decided to wear the pants when I needed it and when I did I found the usb. In guess in that sense my room is south of where I was sitting and my pants was south too lol
 

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[...] I was sitting upstairs [...] My room is downstairs [...] I guess in that sense my room is south of where I was sitting
Mmmh... no, I think "downstairs" should be "north", because south is associated with up and north with down.
If it were in that sense, I'd rather recognise it in trigram Kan (north, and also 'down in the abyss').
We could also consider the third line moving (representative of the nuclear Kan) instead of the fifth, thus getting Kan as the external trigram in both hexagrams (63 and 3), which would be quite a strong sign for looking north (in the first trigram the axis Li-Kan is pointing towards Kan because the direction goes up in the hexagram; in the second, only Kan remains, confirming the direction).
Anyway, in this case the line texts seem completely unfit to the context and the real outcome, so I'd stick to my previous interpretation.
In fact, an indication of direction isn't necessarily present in this kind of readings, especially when the question isn't specific (as in this case).

The 'general rules' I have explained come from my direct experience and are far from exhaustive, however I hope that this example can help people (as it helps me) grasp into the 'mechanics' of lines and trigrams acting behind the hexagrams.
 
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