is there any difference between 12.1 and 51.2

[Topher]

I have asked myself how can i express again my inner trust and received 51.2
sounds like a shock event will cause me to express it. I have experienced 12.1 and it was a shocking outward event that changed myself from inside.

so should I expect the same not in 4-5 days like 12.1 but in 7 days if I dont act?

PS. the pre-requisite ironically for 12.1 is acting, while in 51.2 is not acting?

 

[moss elk]

I have asked myself how can i express again my inner trust and received 51.2
sounds like a shock event will cause me to express it.

Topher,
51.2 is describing the shocking 'loss' that has already occurred. And it says: don't chase after her.
You can use your time and energy to aquire new friends.

 

[Topher]

Maybe yes, certainly but 51 sounds like a shocking event, like a thunder would impact me.

Also talks if one makes movement to the moutains it changes to 54,yes while she married someone to be a concubine this person loses its treasure

I think I could understand the message as:

If i insisted with her(going through 9 hills, meaning perhaps a long journey) I couldnt met someone who wont treat me as a property


Ok using the yao fan line 54 2 the shock will let you to see an event which I only have half the details(it is true) which make me want to decide to continue or give up) but that is without taking in consideration the righteous way to act where you find a treasure if you wait, if i move you will lose it

Curiously I received 38.1.2 the last time I talked with her 38.1 talks about her coming back

 

[moss elk]

Maybe yes, certainly but...

With time and experience you'll learn that while the majority of the time we may receive a direct answer to our question, sometimes we get a bigger answer than our narrow question.
This is one of those times.

 

[Topher]

With time and experience you'll learn that while the majority of the time we may receive a direct answer to our question, sometimes we get a bigger answer than our narrow question.
This is one of those times.

I found an older thread where someone after 7days got in contact they thought it was their treasure, but it was through a shock(because they were arguing the week before that).

but I keep assuming that a shock will happen to me and i will make me gain my inner trust. as the question wasn't about her

 

[moss elk]

You've been in shock for weeks,
mad running around trying everything you could think of to 'get her back'

Yi noticed the state you are in and is encouraging you to calm down,
give up the chase knowing there will be other kinds of gain on the horizon for you.

 

[Matali]

I have asked myself how can i express again my inner trust and received 51.2
sounds like a shock event will cause me to express it. I have experienced 12.1 and it was a shocking outward event that changed myself from inside.

so should I expect the same not in 4-5 days like 12.1 but in 7 days if I dont act?

PS. the pre-requisite ironically for 12.1 is acting, while in 51.2 is not acting?

51.2 : the 7 days are symbolic, it means that you will regain your inner trust...what answers your question. Don't worry

 

[ClavdiaChauchat]

I have asked myself how can i express again my inner trust and received 51.2
sounds like a shock event will cause me to express it. I have experienced 12.1 and it was a shocking outward event that changed myself from inside.

so should I expect the same not in 4-5 days like 12.1 but in 7 days if I dont act?

PS. the pre-requisite ironically for 12.1 is acting, while in 51.2 is not acting?

Hi Topher, I saw you already posted something which is bound to this thread. I didnt' read it, but I'll give a try on this two hexs.

Hex 12:
No schocking at all. While in 51 there are two thunders (identical), here there are two different elements of nature which can't be together: they are both taking two directions. It could be: You know what you should do to take yourself "entire" in this situation, but for some reasons you don't follow your inner truth. Line 2: Here there is someone who's tolerating and bearing a situation, even though with sufference. Perrhaps you're indulging with yourself in taking another path, like "the right" path for you. Are you maybe basking in the sufference? I know this feeling. You can and should go out of it.


Hex 52:
Shock. Something new. In this way you should experience something different from the sufference you're voluntary deal with. The state of mind of Hex 12 is not necessary: Hex 52 is sayng "Wake Up!". I guess going out from your (volontary) stagnation will mean loosing something (line 2 of Hex 52), that is to say, that you'll loose the comfort of being in a stagnating situation you've searched for. Sometimes we get to know our sufference and we grow fond for it. It's more difficult to wake up and go through it. Just accept that you'll loose her and your feelings for her. Don't resist.

Hope it has helpes you!

 

[Topher]

Hi Topher, I saw you already posted something which is bound to this thread. I didnt' read it, but I'll give a try on this two hexs.

Hex 12:
No schocking at all. While in 51 there are two thunders (identical), here there are two different elements of nature which can't be together: they are both taking two directions. It could be: You know what you should do to take yourself "entire" in this situation, but for some reasons you don't follow your inner truth. Line 2: Here there is someone who's tolerating and bearing a situation, even though with sufference. Perrhaps you're indulging with yourself in taking another path, like "the right" path for you. Are you maybe basking in the sufference? I know this feeling. You can and should go out of it.


Hex 52:
Shock. Something new. In this way you should experience something different from the sufference you're voluntary deal with. The state of mind of Hex 12 is not necessary: Hex 52 is sayng "Wake Up!". I guess going out from your (volontary) stagnation will mean loosing something (line 2 of Hex 52), that is to say, that you'll loose the comfort of being in a stagnating situation you've searched for. Sometimes we get to know our sufference and we grow fond for it. It's more difficult to wake up and go through it. Just accept that you'll loose her and your feelings for her. Don't resist.

Hope it has helpes you!

I swear the 2 times I received 12.1 I recieved a shock.

so 52.1 being a shock should be a clear representation of its name no?

 

[ClavdiaChauchat]

I swear the 2 times I received 12.1 I recieved a shock.

so 52.1 being a shock should be a clear representation of its name no?

Hi! Well, i think that in every Hex, there is always the ascendendant part and the discendant part together, like Yin and Yang together.

So, with 12, you're in a descendant phase of your life, but in this there's the "positive" side aswell, which is obviously a "shock", as 12 is stagnation.

Yes, I'd read 52 exactly as it is represented: ascendendant. But, as also the lines tell us, and line 2 aswell, there's a "negative" side as well.

 

[Topher]

Hi! Well, i think that in every Hex, there is always the ascendendant part and the discendant part together, like Yin and Yang together.

So, with 12, you're in a descendant phase of your life, but in this there's the "positive" side aswell, which is obviously a "shock", as 12 is stagnation.

Yes, I'd read 52 exactly as it is represented: ascendendant. But, as also the lines tell us, and line 2 aswell, there's a "negative" side as well.

12.1's shocks were 1) negative and 2) was hard to define as happened to find someone and that gave me a possitive shock but later by my own actions I received a negative shock not sure which shock's group is the 2nd.

usually the 1st shock occurred by itself by taking no action on my part other than looking for the thing that shocked me

the 2nd happened in a similar way. both ocurred in moments I was unable to act because it was someone's else action (which might have been previously influenced by me in the 2nd example in the first part, on the 2nd part of the 2nd example I didnt influence it I think)

now. I mean what are the trigrams compose them? also it was 51 Shock not 52.

51.2 is Dui Zhen -> (a Calm river - Thunder) docility whenever you act. you become docile to someone(possible shock, could be good if you didnt act)
12 .1is Quian Zhen (Heaven - Thunder) from peace comes an action (shock, distrupts the peace 'Quian')

I can see why 12.1 gives a shock. literally from the sky comes some shock.

while in 51.2 there is an action that should start the shock (i.e in 51.2 talks about either waiting for someone to come back or going after it, depending on the action there might be a cause the other person to move (Zhen) )

meaning that if I wanted to do something specific there would be a shock on the action i decide to take
1)pursue someone
2)wait for someone

if you pursue becomes Dui Zhen else Zhen Zhen (what is the property of Dui? calm?)
if you dont pursue someone then a Zhen action, hence the last action influence someone's else action . similar to 12.1 except that the peace from heaven is disrupted by the thunder

51.2 while taking action to chase someone means you become docile to someone.
51 unchanging without taking action(as expected) brings someone else to react, Zhen - Zhen Action -Reaction

in short
dont act to make the other person reacts (probably). because by bringing an action the other person stops interacting because for them you are their property and they can control you.

54UC

Unchanging: Forced into an inferior position = be true to who you are. The subordinating energy of this hexagram when it is unchanging can be a message that another’s unavailability is not going to change. There can be power games and manipulation at play rather than healthy subordination. In work you may be feeling like you are not getting the recognition you deserve. The politics may be such that this will not change. You may be asking about a potential partner and there can be a prior entanglement or another person who is really in charge. You would remain in an inferior position. Propriety needs to be examined because you may be interfering in something that is none of your business. The message can be that you are barking up the wrong tree. However, by carefully examining your principles, you may be able to succeed by ensuring you are taking appropriate and ethical actions. The unchanging nature of this hexagram can show that you are in a holding pattern of your own making because you do have the power to either accept your subordinate position and make the best of it or move on. Being true to yourself is the important lesson you are learning.

12.1 on the other hand disrupts the peace

 

[ClavdiaChauchat]

12.1's shocks were 1) negative and 2) was hard to define as happened to find someone and that gave me a possitive shock but later by my own actions I received a negative shock not sure which shock's group is the 2nd.

usually the 1st shock occurred by itself by taking no action on my part other than looking for the thing that shocked me

the 2nd happened in a similar way. both ocurred in moments I was unable to act because it was someone's else action (which might have been previously influenced by me in the 2nd example in the first part, on the 2nd part of the 2nd example I didnt influence it I think)

now. I mean what are the trigrams compose them? also it was 51 Shock not 52.

Sorry, i meant 51, not 52.
Mmh, i can explain hexs and lines in a general way. Not so specific: that's up to you. Plus, i don't have the book with me now. I agree that the 1st shock is not occuring cause you personally search for it. It happens.

Good luck!

 

[Topher]

51.2 has a shock
51.2 works after 7days +1

the treasure was her?
I found that she unblocked me. the shock was my tachycardia.
I emailed her 5days ago
she saw me as a property.
advice: only act if you can in touch with the person, else dont contact them