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I'm really struggling with my weight issues. It seems like nothing I try makes a blind bit of difference and I've tried every diet/eating plan/weightloss club under the sun.I've just been to the doctor to get the results of some more blood tests and they're all absolutely normal so there's no medical reason why I'm so fat

I've started to wonder if there's a spiritual/emotional reason why I carrry so much weight (I'm 6 st overweight) so I thought I'd consult the I Ching.

I first asked it: What purpose does my excess weight fulfill?
I recieved 51 with 1,4 and 5 moving changing to 8


I then asked it: What is the best course of action to take to lose the excess weight?
I recieved 15 with 1,2 and 4 moving changing to 34

Normally if I struggle with readings there's at least a glimmer of understanding that I can't quite grasp onto. With this reading however I have drawn a complete blank and have no idea how any of the hexagrams relate to the issue :confused:
 

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How can there be any sensible purpose to being 6st overweight?

Have you checked if you have fluid retention problems, that puts on a lot of weight which is really difficult to get rid of, you would need some diuretics to shift it.
 

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Because it keeps people away

I have severe fluid retention but the doctor couldn't suggest any relief or cause for it today. Diuretics don't seem to alleviate it
 

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Have you checked your heart? Like doing an ECG?

All your weight loss methods are an absolute waste of time when your problem has to do with fluid retention, when the fluid goes so will the excess weight.

Someone I know was 90 kilos, then they had a heart attack, they had to have angioplasty done quickly and it was successful. Within a few months they lost 42 kilos. Their heart had malfunctioned due to cholesterol but once the blockage was opened everything went back to normal and the excess fluid disappeared.
 
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They've done all sorts of tests.

Would it be better if I deleted my request because I'm not looking for medical advice
 

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No need to delete because in actual fact part of your answer is indicating that you will find your solution to your excess weight at the doctor's/hospital.

What other answer were you looking for because no diet on Earth is going to fix your problem.
 

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I've been to the doctor today and they could offer me nothing. Looked at me like I was an alien. I asked them about gastric banding because there's seemingly no alternative left. I was told it's unlikley that the nhs will pay for it. I don't know what else I can do. I had blood tests for 8 separate conditions and all the tests came back fine. Where are you seeing that I'll get the answer at the doctor?

I'm interested in the part where you say no diet will fix my problem - could you elaborate?
 

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Briefly, you cannot see a heart problem from blood tests alone.

I have seen a person who was grossly overweight but it had absolutely nothing to do with the food that they were eating, they were suffering from fluid retention and no diet is going to end that because there is a problem in the body someplace and it has nothing to do with the stomach. Something else is on the blink and that needs medication of some sort. Try fasting for a week or so and see if there is any real difference in your weight.

Something in my head saw that your problem was probably a fluid one, and if you can't shift it naturally then something is wrong, a mechanic fixes cars and a doctor fixes bodies.
 

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I've been to the doctor today and they could offer me nothing. Looked at me like I was an alien. I asked them about gastric banding because there's seemingly no alternative left. I was told it's unlikley that the nhs will pay for it. I don't know what else I can do. I had blood tests for 8 separate conditions and all the tests came back fine. Where are you seeing that I'll get the answer at the doctor?

I'm interested in the part where you say no diet will fix my problem - could you elaborate?


Figgy,

I'm really not sure the I Ching is the best bet in this regard. I wouldn't get discouraged about this but keep on looking for a way. Easy for me to say, I know, but there must be something /somebody out there who can help you.

There are so many websites on health issues and forums for people who have weight problems. I think you need to network with folks who have had or are having similar difficulties. It may be a metabolism problem too combined with psychological issues stress, depression etc. And what about exercise? Alternative therapies? All kinds of possibilities.

(If you're going to fast then be careful to watch your concentration when driving or crossing roads etc. Your reflexes can become impaired to a significant degree. Gentle fasting with fruit and herbal teas can be good - but pay attention).

Have you done a search for forums? Here are a few to get you started:

http://www.sparkpeople.com

http://www.obesityhelp.com

http://www.thedailyplate.com/

Topal

Good luck!
 

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I have severe fluid retention but the doctor couldn't suggest any relief or cause for it today. Diuretics don't seem to alleviate it

This is entirely up to you but if I was in your position and my doctor couldn't or wouldn't take my problem seriously and try and see what is going on then I would certainly find another one.
 

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This is entirely up to you but if I was in your position and my doctor couldn't or wouldn't take my problem seriously and try and see what is going on then I would certainly find another one.

This is an ongoing problem that's been going on for many many years. I've seen so many doctors I can't face it anymore. There is absolutely no physical reason for me either retaining water or gaining weight but still it continues. Yes, I had an ecg, yes I've had countless tests, I've tried every diet and eating plan, tried excercise, tried fasting, detox, vitamin and mineral supplements, Still the weight piles on.

I thought maybe here was a safe place to discuss spiritual issues regarding health but it seems I was mistaken - just the same old stuff.

I wanted to know if anyone had any insights as to what the i ching was telling me was the reason I can't stop gaining weight - instead I get medical advice. It's the last straw
 

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This is an ongoing problem that's been going on for many many years. I've seen so many doctors I can't face it anymore. There is absolutely no physical reason for me either retaining water or gaining weight but still it continues. Yes, I had an ecg, yes I've had countless tests, I've tried every diet and eating plan, tried excercise, tried fasting, detox, vitamin and mineral supplements, Still the weight piles on.

I thought maybe here was a safe place to discuss spiritual issues regarding health but it seems I was mistaken - just the same old stuff.

I wanted to know if anyone had any insights as to what the i ching was telling me was the reason I can't stop gaining weight - instead I get medical advice. It's the last straw

OK, OK hold your horses...Let's see if we can't have a look at the hexes and find out what might be going on...I can't profess expertise but I'll do my best.

51.1.4.5 > 8

What purpose does my excess weight fulfil?

Well, from a spiritual perspective this could serve as a shock to the personality, the vehicle by which you experience the earth plane, and thereby releasing other capabilities and realisations. These may not be accessible of known at this level but certainly will be at another higher state of awareness. Pain, suffering and all kinds of new experiences to learn is soul food! The soul needs this particular kind of experience it seems. For something so tenacious it does seem like it has significance as a "test" of some kind, if we can terms it such. So, it shakes up some aspect of your self. Maybe some dimension of your eternal Self needs to experience endurance, coping with frustration, patience, being resolute, not giving up, persistence etc. No doubt you can come up with many of your own.

Another angle would be that this gaining of weight is directly related to trauma that is suppressed. Only you know about the likelihood of that one. Until you look at the psychotherapy side of things then this may remain hidden. When people have shocks and trauma in early life it can often change their physiology as a delayed effect. It's could be called "covering up," literally, with excess body weight to protect the sensitive raw, emotional places that still hurt. The shock may refer to that.

So, all these things may refer to this shock that awakens you to many things which otherwise would have passed you by. There could be "karmic" aspects to it too for what of a better word. 51 also says to focus on being calm and relaxed in spite of this.

Line 1: Suggests that this difficult period in your life will ultimately produce greater awareness. Ride the storm and you'll come through it. From a spiritual / emotional perspective that's crucial.

Line 4: Yup. You're in world of emotional tension and turmoil but stay centered you can get through this.

Line 5: You have to tackle this situation and as long as you remain calm and centred despite feeling like crap you can do this. So, the way to deal with shock is to focus on the root causes and be constructive. You may well think that you've done everything but there's always something more to find.

Which leads us to 8: group support and mutual holding together. You need direction and focus within a group of like-minded people that can give you support and emotional nourishment.

What is the best course of action to take to lose the excess weight?

15.1.2.4 > 34

You have what you need to find success here. Remain receptive and don't give up despite being at your wit's end. Don't fly off into extreme directions or actions, in a strange way you have to treat this condition with respect as it's been with you for a long time. Seeking equilibrium here is possible. Not perfection but a more balanced state of affairs. Very positive hex I reckon.

Line 1: Seems to confirm that you coming to Clarity is part of the picture perhaps. You must retain your resilience and clarity in order to proceed. Don't lose your head. You have a difficult task but you're familiar with it. You've lasted this long right? So, carry on with a glint of determination in your eye. And it can also be saying be aware of those who try to derail you with false claims like doctors! Trust yourself and don't give up!

Line 2: Very understandably - you've got into a state of obsession about this so it's interfering with your ability to see the way ahead. Decentralise yourself from this a little and seek ways to focus on others as well. This will help you adjust your energy that is circulating wildly in your head right now. Be gentle with yourself and find something that can take your mind off this even if it is just for a while. Try to get that unassuming manner back and don't force things. Things will come if the emotional storm is quietened.

Line 4: This centering of yourself will allow those to come close to you (8) and offer more possibilities and directions to correct not only your physical self but your inner self too. So, look inside deeply in order to address the outer manifestation. Perhaps this needs as much work if not more than finding the physical cause. This modesty and calm will allow things to emerge naturally.

Which takes us to 34 great power correctly channelled.

I hope that helps!

Topal
 

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I'm really struggling with my weight issues. It seems like nothing I try makes a blind bit of difference and I've tried every diet/eating plan/weightloss club under the sun.I've just been to the doctor to get the results of some more blood tests and they're all absolutely normal so there's no medical reason why I'm so fat

I've started to wonder if there's a spiritual/emotional reason why I carrry so much weight (I'm 6 st overweight) so I thought I'd consult the I Ching.

I first asked it: What purpose does my excess weight fulfill?
I recieved 51 with 1,4 and 5 moving changing to 8


I then asked it: What is the best course of action to take to lose the excess weight?
I recieved 15 with 1,2 and 4 moving changing to 34

Normally if I struggle with readings there's at least a glimmer of understanding that I can't quite grasp onto. With this reading however I have drawn a complete blank and have no idea how any of the hexagrams relate to the issue :confused:

I see the 15 to 34 as energetically (34) practising moderation (15). I think the 15 is very literal. One reduces what is too much and augments what is too little. The augmenting too little could even refer to mineral deficiencies, thyroid deficiency, I don't know but theres some things need balancing up perhaps apart from the obvious, ie less food more exersize, it might be worth considering what may be deficient. If you haven't already it may be worth seeing a kinaesiologist,( I may have spelled that wrong), but food allergies can cause alot of problems.

Re the purpose of the weight perhaps the over eating came as response to shock (51), it was your way of holding yourself together and protecting your self (8). Perhaps theres some past trauma you need to work with ?
 
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Figgy, If you have actually changed yyour diet with consistency and exercised consistently, then it seems it has to be a medical issue...thats the only reason people have stressed that.

A spiritual/psychological reason can surely be at the root of excess weight, but only in the sense that those reasons cause you to sabotage your diets, not follow through with them, and likewise the exercise..........to try exercise sporadically without real commitment will not bring change.

If thyroid and other medical tests have been done, ruling out the medical cause, then perhaps the real question is why are you sabotaging your eating plans/exercise regimes?

what is the reason you sabotage yourself to gain weight and keep it on ? 51 > 8 says that you are mired in shock.......perhaps a post-traumatic stress issue? Also, the weight has the effect of keeping you in shock ( how can this be?? Why do I do this??) and the repeated shock at your own appearance keeps you stuck, and the weight steady - 8.

how to lose? I like what Trojan said......vigorous commitment to practicing moderation.

I thinnk the impt thing is that you do not need to uncover all the spiritual/psych reasons BEFORE you take physical measures to lose weight. Just knowing that it serves you by keeping others away is enough. That's awareness.
FAD diets do not work, they are doomed to fail. Don't fad diet. cut back on carbs, and eat high protein meals in the morning. Do not set up deprivation mode. allow yourself a forbidden food you really enjoy, maybe once a day, but don't set yourself up by eating all the goodies in one day, or thinking "i broke my diet, what's the use? Ill start again tomorrow. " Put all your energy into moderation . One cookie wont get you fat. A box of cookies because you felt guilty about eating one, can ruin a whole weeks worth of effort. treat yourself well. Make a great omelette, skip the toast. Find foods you love that are healthy. and don't eat after 6pm.

walk an hour a day. slow if you have to, but be faithful. if an hour too much, 1/2 hour every day.
as you start to experience the clarity of mind and responsive body which come with following a plan with no excess but faithful regime, your issues WILL surface.......BUT you will have also kicked in the wellness factor; you are going to FEEL better and feeling better makes dealing with emotional issues much easier.

the body is a machine and it is precise. barring medical problems, there is no way a body and mind won't respond to healthy foods, moderated carbs and sweets, and MOVING the body, every day, in a way that you enjoy for 1/2 to 1 hour.


and the last thing I would add, is that if you DO keep sabotaging your efforts by not following through, or binging in depression, then surrender to it. GIve yourself FULL PERMISSION to be fat for now, and quit fighting it. Tell your little child inside that the fight is OVER. you give up. Say "if you want so badly to be fat, then go for it, and I will accept it for now."

FULL SURRENDER often has the effect of suddenly making you see that you have choices. Then it becomes a question of 'what do i really want?" there's no law that says you HAVE to be thinner. BUt maybe you will discover that you want to be thinner. WANT-POWER, not WILL-power, is what makes change. what you resist becomes compulsory.
 
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I thought maybe here was a safe place to discuss spiritual issues regarding health but it seems I was mistaken - just the same old stuff.

I wanted to know if anyone had any insights as to what the i ching was telling me was the reason I can't stop gaining weight - instead I get medical advice. It's the last straw

Do you really think that your spiritual beliefs or lack of them are causing you to put on weight?

Well, if you have tried everything, and it isn't gravity or 10 buckets of oatmeal a day, and you have a severe fluid retention problem, then what do you really think it is?
 

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