Late Payment 14.2>30

[steve]

Hi All

Merry Xmas or Happy Holidays

I have a client that has been with me for 5 years. Basicaly do his marketing for him and have been very successful for him. I have made him quite alot of money.
The problem i have always had with him is that he pays late ALWAYS.
He does pay but aas mentioned its always late.

I asked to make sure he pays me on time at xmas , gave him two months warning.
Told him to pay no later than the 12th
Of course here we are and he hasnt paid, whats worse is that i needed some login details and he has not sent the correct details in 3 weeks.
This means that his website is actually not live now and this has caused his website to plummit from a top postion back to page 5
The whole account now is a total mess and i need to find the money else where

I asked the Yi what do i need know to about this situation 14.2>30 does anyone have any experience with line. I dont believe I have cast it before.
It looks favorable

Steve

 

[steve]

I am thinking that this will eventually sort itself

 

[Tim K]

14.2 → 30, Legge: We have a large waggon with its load.

Yet there are no horses around to move it, no driver. A hex of resources but with 2nd (usually passive in my opinion) line.
I agree with you Steve - just wait.

p.s. I had a similar experience when owner of a website forgot to make a payment for the hosting services. Site was down and my hands were tied. Tried Skyping/calling him but no luck. Eventually he came around of course.

 

[steve]

Wow , couldnt have asked for a better answer , yes its really disappointing not even just the money the fact that his site has dropped so far as when search engines crawl , nothing there. i am thinking when he realises how much money he has lost as he may not have felt the effect yet.

Yes my hands are tied so what can i do. Ok thanks again have a great xmas.

Steve

 

[rosada]

Looking at how 14.2 changes to 30.
14.2 talks about having a wagon for moving things. The 30. Clarity hex is made up of the trigram Li, doubled, it is the image of 2 suns, like 2 people of equal rank. Maybe what we have here is a situation where we need a conveyance for getting the money from one person to the other. Have you tried sending him a bill and a self addressed stamped envelope?
I hope you'll update this thread to let us know how this ultimately works out!

 

[Liselle]

(Crossed posts with Rosada - we're on the same track - )

I'm not quite sure the answer is to do nothing and it will fix itself. Something has to actually fill the role of the "great chariot to carry loads." You could say it's always fixed itself in the past, since he always does pay you. But it's always late, and that's one of the problems you asked about, the other being the search engine issue.

In one way those seem like two separate matters - there doesn't seem to be a direct connection between him not paying you, and his site dropping in Google (or is there?).

What might connect them, though, is if he's disengaged with his own business, or just very disorganized. He doesn't get bills paid, he doesn't respond to requests for information...do you have any idea why that is?

Maybe he needs some administrative help? An assistant, or a better way of organizing his work? Those could be "great chariots."

Specifically about him paying you - is there supposed to be a regular payment every month? Could it be set up that way? If so, could you offer some sort of incentive, a discount, for automatic bank withdrawl? You'd get slightly less compensation, but you'd get paid on time. That could also be a "great chariot."

 

[steve]

I am going to send him an email, just asking in a nice way what is going on and that the site is not down due to anything i have done purposely, wish him all the best and when he sorts out what he needs to then contact me.
I really have tried everything that can be done, this will be the 4th email i believe. Flax's recent post on the job search seemed to work out well 14.2>30, will be interesting to see if he does come good.
I have billed him months in advance so he wouldnt forget, didnt work

Steve

 

[steve]

Still have heard nothing from him

 

[oceangirl]

Relevant or not Steve - things have come for a standstill for me romantically, career wise, accommodation wise and financially nothings coming in however I heard after the 8th of January the planets are gonna shift and things will start to move forward - here's hoping for you too!!

 

[Olga Super Star]

I received this line about a month ago asking more or less the same question, an inquiry about the situation with a person with whom things had changed. I didn't know what to make of the line although I had the feeling it was positive.
Then I met her and I got a line that said that I had to let go, to move on.

I took this large wagon with its load of 14.2 as "you now know a lot more about this person, there's enough stuff to carry: what do you want to do with that? Do you want to keep going the same direction?"
In your case it would seem to say that you know enough about this person not to expect anything different from what usually is. He will pay, but when he wants to.

 

[steve]

Hey everyone
Been so busy here havent posted much lately

However the guy emailed me today saying that he was sorry, but a builder had gone bust and left him in the cold. He assured me he would pay me, but in a bit of financial mess, (sounds like rough xmas)

I just said pay me when you can

So i expect he will pay within a month.

It appears for me anyway the line was and is fortunate, I am still not clear on the advice.

Interesting Rosada mentioned people of an equal rank as we need each other, he needs me to make him money and i need to be paid for doing it. In reality at this stage anyway or were back when i did the reading actually. Now i have moved on so in fact if i were to do another reading it wouldnt be so equal.

How do you see the lines, now we have a result? Anyone?

Steve

 

[Liselle]

I don't know! It's good he called you, at least (did he give you the login information you said you needed?), and it sounds like maybe he has a legitimate excuse this time, but what about all the other times?

This seems like more of a pickle now, in a way - you're trying to resolve the general late payment issue, and then up he pops with what seems like a real problem, so you reasonably tell him to pay you when he can, but I'm worried he'll think it's always okay. And what is the "great chariot to carry loads"?

 

[Olga Super Star]

Might he have had the same problems the other times he paid you later?

 

[diamanda]

what do i need know to about this situation 14.2 > 30

14.2 = loaded wagon = a builder had gone bust and left him in the cold
30 = looking after his own finances = He assured me he would pay me, but in a bit of financial mess

 

[steve]

Thanks everyone, yes he sounds a bit unorganised, i must say I cant point the finger in that department, I think he just needs some help, maybe but he needs to reach out to someone. I think i need to meditate on the line, it seems I followed the advice at least, but just letting things happen. If something dawns on me I will update the thread,

Thanks everyone for weighing in.

Steve

 

[rosada]

Hilary mentions in her (fabulous!) book that 14.2 can mean a valuable insight that carries you forward. Perhaps here this line was saying that - while the line didn't tell you what it was specifically - there was a reason for the delay, which turned out to be true. Maybe 30 meant the client was not intentionally stiffing you, that he still intended to keep the agreement between two equals.

I do think Lisa's question, "what about all the other times?" is noteworthy. Isn't it interesting how he's been slow in the past out of his own free will until now he's manifesting actual obstacles that force him to be slow?

 

[Princeji]

Path vrs direction

Subordinating strength to humility ( legge) is a posession. Accumulation of virtue through waiting. Could accumulation of virtue be the the meaning of accumulation at the center ? " Accumulatin of virtue permits progress". In reviewing Richters 'pin yin translation the great cart is already loaded. I find this line to be very interesting. It seems to indicate the cart is already loaded therefore exude confidence in your direction. Its not clear that one do anything at all. Paths are many and subject to changes different than the role direction plays in our lives and changes. There doesnt seem to be any instruction regarding path( what actions to take). Niether, it seems to me, is there a time factor. Or imperative to action per say Another source i reviewed
indicates that the wagon loaded is useful while the wagon emptied is mobile. A quote from liu " like a wagon waiting for loading, he subordinates strength to humility. Therefore, the individual asking this question is the wagon not the cargo. Perhaps the line is reffering to something other than the payment but rather the virtuous response of the questioner, or a good impression it makes on the client. Perhaps the accumulation of learning about characteristics of the clients as an important part of learning about doing bussiness with more people experience........ which when applied leads to great posession........virtue is considered a great posession. Could this reading be responding to something other than the payment?