Line 6: high point or endgame?

[dobro p]

12.6 - endgame, but very good news, because the endtime of a crummy time is good news.

 

[dobro p]

1.6 - high point, but interestingly, negative. So a high point can be positive or negative. In the case of the creative energy of Hex 1, high point means 'too much'.

 

[hilary]

2.6, the fighting dragons. How is this an extreme of receptivity or service? Maybe because it's been so wide open that all initiatives, all creative forces are supported - and sometimes that's going to mean they cancel one another out?

(I've read Wilhelm's idea of the 'false dragon', and I'm not completely convinced. Thoughts?)

 

[rosada]

2.6
Dragons fight in the meadow.
Their blood is black and yellow.

The day we were focusing on 2.6 over on the Memorizing thread I had the experience of being blocked in a cafeteria behind a lady who was having trouble at the checkout counter. I had a tray piled high with hot delicious food that was cooling fast and I was very hungry. My instinctive Self wanted to just grab a drumstick and start munching in line. My Conscious Mature Self insisted I pay for the lunch. I ended up sneaking bites. Neither Self was satisfied.

 

[dobro p]

2.6, the fighting dragons. How is this an extreme of receptivity or service? Maybe because it's been so wide open that all initiatives, all creative forces are supported - and sometimes that's going to mean they cancel one another out?

(I've read Wilhelm's idea of the 'false dragon', and I'm not completely convinced. Thoughts?)

Hex 2 is the most mysterious hexagram in the whole Yi for me. For one thing, it seems to me that each individual line is a law unto itself, unrelated to the other lines in the hex. So, is *that* one of the characteristics of Hex 2? For another thing, line 2.6... It almost seems as though 'when you scratch 2, you get 1'. In other words, I see 2.6 as endgame, and that means that as Hex 2 wanes, what comes through is Hex 1! Carumba! Cuz if that's the case, then there's a parallel between each individual line in Hex 1 and its Hex 2 correspondent. The submerged dragon of 1 and the 'not yet frozen ice of 2, and so on...

Anyway, in answer to your first question, I don't think 2.6 is an extreme of 2-ness. I think it's endgame 2. (In which 1 shines through with its problem with dragons...)

 

[dobro p]

Carumba!

Sorry, Luis. Caramba. I guess astonishment makes me dancy.

 

[auriel]

53 is a view of man as trying to nurture a little advantage by marketing dry experience to a mostly disinterested world; and the world responds in kind with small favors, a few feathers for the nest. This is how a father prepares a way for his son (line 1). The sixth line is a perspective of the sage's heroic effort; the lower lines of his struggles as a naif on this earth.
Similarly 13 is a view of man as trying to take part in the great social celebration of life; the perspective of the sage in the top line has it "just outside town"- never quite in reach.

 

[dobro p]

auriel, is the plural of 'naif' 'naives' or 'naifs'?

 

[hilary]

53 is a view of man as trying to nurture a little advantage by marketing dry experience to a mostly disinterested world...

This is a take on 53 I've never encountered before. Could you say more about this view and how you arrived at it?

 

[Trojina]

how does one 'market dry experience' anyway

 

[auriel]

i see this hex(53) as following on 52 which might be seen as the sage's integration into a social group, stillness as a way of matching tempo with it. The master of meditation then has a global perspective of the group, but to the group he is just another wild goose- an outlier-disrupter like the passionate young man (1), the robber(3), the woman who wont accept her biological role(5). {could add the loose woman of the flat branched tree(4), the hunter-entertainer(2)} these are all encounters on the sage's journey to enlightenment and all have abstracted some social skill to survive on but obtain very little social maneuverability
And all will gradually progress in &into their roles, and the group will gradually profit- especially by the legends left behind

not sure how y'all'd pluralize naif- wait are you teasin me?

 

[dobro p]

Not teasing - it was the bit that really caught my eye.

 

[dobro p]

40.6 - high point: 'without no advantage'. You're released from whatever tension or threat the hawk represented, released from whatever tension there was just in taking the shot.

 

[auriel]

40.6 -more a best case scenario, no?
or again the sage's perspective:
The master has no doubt- he and the target are one-

 

[dobro p]

Yes, that's one application of 40.6. But at that level of realization, at that level of being where you and the target are one, you don't need the Yi to help you along.

 

[dobro p]

41.6 - endgame, but good news.

'In no way diminishing it, augmenting it'

 

[my_key]

42.6- You've puffed yourself up too big and too quickly. You're about to explode. The end is nigh !!

 

[dobro p]

42.6- You've puffed yourself up too big and too quickly. You're about to explode. The end is nigh !!

Where do you see the 'puffed up' bit in 42.6? In the overall picture of 42 being 'augmentation'?

I see 42 more as not being centered, not being in accordance with your highest and best values. Because it's endgame, it's past the time of augmentation, and that leaves you vulnerable.

But the 'puffed up' thing you speak of - I see that in 61.6. The cockadoodledoo that penetrates heaven. But I've never been able to see that as either high point or endgame. It seems more Hex 28 than anything else.

 

[hilary]

Some years ago, I downloaded a sample reading generated by some new I Ching software. I found the text was Brad's, plagiarised without attribution or permission. The software's author later told me that his staff had 'found' this text for him and he'd simply accepted it as a perfect gift, just what he needed - a blessing.

The sample reading? 42.6

Also I seem to remember that when I installed the software trial version, something went wrong, and I ended up with an installation that would only deliver one answer. Same again.

Brad and I complained; the software author apologised, grovelled, put things right, etc. The incident still exemplifies 42.6 for me, though.

 

[dobro p]

It's the third line of 42.6 that's always puzzled me. My rendering of it is: "ordered heart not continuing". What's yours, Hilary?

 

[my_key]

Where do you see the 'puffed up' bit in 42.6? In the overall picture of 42 being 'augmentation'?

Hi Dobro

42 Augmenting - I see it in general as a time of advancement and development it's about expansion - "puffed up" is perhaps not the best phrase to have used due to the other colloquial meanings it has, maybe I should have used the term blown up, like a balloon. It's about shifting your stance on ideas and thoughts that you hold and the way that you incorporate those changes. Building a better situation, becoming bigger as a person, more rounded.

42.6 - If you don't build on sound foundations there is a greater chance that the tower is going to topple over, is perhaps another way of looking at it.

Hilary's 42.6 story is a good example of this. This guy took the "easy" path ( unethical?) and his world collapsed when hilary and brad ganged up on him.

I hope that helps answer your query.

Love and hugs

 

[dobro p]

Hi Dobro

42 Augmenting - I see it in general as a time of advancement and development it's about expansion... It's about shifting your stance on ideas and thoughts that you hold and the way that you incorporate those changes. Building a better situation, becoming bigger as a person, more rounded.

I see expansion in 42, but more as what you put into the situation yourself. However, I don't see any 'shifting your stance on ideas and thought that you hold and the way you incorporate those changes' in 42. (I would think that was more Hex 49 or 50.) Can you talk about how you see changing understanding in 42?

42.6 - If you don't build on sound foundations there is a greater chance that the tower is going to topple over, is perhaps another way of looking at it.

Again, I don't see any 'pride goeth before a fall' stuff in 42.6. I just see a situation that will bite you in the bum if you don't keep your heart ordered.

Hilary's 42.6 story is a good example of this. This guy took the "easy" path ( unethical?) and his world collapsed when hilary and brad ganged up on him.

Yeah, I think it exemplifies 42.6 pretty well, too.

 

[auriel]

The inconstant heart of 42.6 is simply greed. Making out with the babysitter 'cuz she's available. Acquisition becomes a habit, where the specific types of acquisition correspondingly change one's personality. Take a high pressure job so you can retire to luxury and die of a heart attack at age 42. Collect stamps out of need for a calming hobby and become a nervous pedant. In contrast, in 41.6 the habits of sacrifice lead to connections- not enemies- you acquire an entry to that social network that in 42 is being exploited (and which will mechanistically extract its revenge from the importuning)
These are endgames depicted with warning appended

:flout conventional wisdom at your own peril

 

[dobro p]

Auriel - pretty much, yeah. But two things.

First, it might be greed, or it might be anxiety. A disordered heart that does too much can arise out of more than greed.

Second, you see the 'disordered heart' as the cause of the excessive doing, and that's the likeliest scenario. But there's another possibility, and it's worth considering: augmenting has resulted in a setback or attack on oneself ('in no way augmenting him, maybe striking him'). Okay, so NOW it's crucial to keep your heart steady (determined, not discouraged, and so on), otherwise the blow you've received will be more than painful, it will spin you into misfortune. In other words, in this scenario the 'disordered heart' is a knock on effect (ha!) of the blow received.

 

[auriel]

yeah dobro, very good
i see these 2 hexagrams as parallel to concepts of prananama, intake and output as the basis for all activity.
but found troubling the finality here. In some schools of classical yoga the maintaining of cool in extending the ultimate in and out points is considered mastery

we are all ultimately collectors and dispersers; "greed" or "anxiety" are just emotional markers.
just an image:
consider the chief gathering feathers and acts of bravery; he will lead; and will invite as well the blows of challenge if he doesn't lead well- or even maybe if he does
or:
the charity organization head who has raised enough money to feed the poor, but gets unjustly criticized for his 6 million salary and private jet (lol)

 

[auriel]

by the way how much money does Hilary earn? just curious-

 

[hilary]

You want to charter the company jet? Send me a pm.

 

[Sparhawk]

by the way how much money does Hilary earn? just curious-

Enough to pay my salary as "Chief Diviner and Court Jester," which comes with a very generous pension and health care package...

 

[cesca]

Hmmm...I got 44.1/6 today (daily hexagram)...this one is definitely endgame. Line 1 is saying 'don't get distracted', and Line 6 is pointing out that being overfocussed is a distraction in itself.

Cesca

 

[dobro p]

3.6 is a bit mysterious to me. It comes across as 'ready to proceed, but extremely distraught'. Considering that 3 is about beginnings, it seems that it's endgame being imaged here, but if you consider that 3 is about DIFFICULT beginnings, then 3.6 is about as difficult a beginning as you'd ever want or need lol, and therefore a kind of highpoint.

What's your take?