Luck?

[martin]

I don't know where this rumor that Einstein was a lousy mathematician comes from. It isn't true, he was a brilliant mathematician. What is true, however, is that he sometimes needed certain advanced mathematical theories that he was not very familiar with because physicists in those days rarely or never used them. So he consulted and worked with mathematicians now and then.

 

[gene]

Martin

From what the textbooks say, he was an excellent mathematician except when it came to very simple problems. I don't know where it came from either. The point I think they were trying to make is that he was way too far involved in far reaching math problems to concern himself with the simple stuff.

Gene

 

[martin]

Aether - this is confusing, because physicists and mystics use the word in a different way.
For physicists it was the supposed medium through which light waves travel. Because other waves need a medium (sound needs air for instance) people believed that light - when it was discovered that it had wave properties - also needed a medium. But experiments around 1900 suggested that there was no medium for light, at least nothing that was comparable to air in relation to sound. So the aether-hypothesis was dropped.
But does this mean that the 'aether' of the mystics was also declared nonexistent? I don't think so. That aether is not the aether of the physicists. It has very little to do with it, in fact. Same word, totally different meanings.

 

[martin]

It's possible that Einstein had troubles with "7*8=?", I don't know. But there is a story about a mathematician who was asked to solve a problem. There were two ways to calculate the result, one was very simple, the other was very complicated.
The mathematician produced the right answer nearly instantly. Of course, said the other man, you immediately saw the simple solution, most people do it this way, and he described the complicated calculation.
The mathematician looked at him and said, yes, exactly, that's how I did it.

 

[jte]

A thought, Gene -

"Our scientists ... try to tell us that we evolve, and ancient man was ignorant and danced around cave fires. If that is the case, (which it isn't) you have an even bigger problem about where did [the Yi] come from. There is a higher intelligence, much higher, somewhere. "

I'm not disagreeing with your final point there, but it's worth pointing out that those primitive men probably were much closer to nature and it's patterns and forces than we are today. They probably interpreted and thought about a lot of phenomena very differently from how we do.

So, they may have been so keenly observant of nature and so open-minded about how it works that use of oracular methods like the Yi to "get advice" from nature/the universe occured to them without input from higher intelligences.

Then again, I could be wrong. =)

- Jeff

 

[yly2pg1]

"I have to admit, sometimes I am not sure of what you are trying to say in total,
but I get the overall idea... "

It may create upsets if one has a strong notion of 'god'.
If one is a yogis, a shaman, a tibetan buddhist, a monk etc. probably the kind of notion here has little or lesser psychological impact esp. when we talk about the BLUEPRINT.

Before Christian and Buddhism come to china, the god of chinese (in its true sense)
is found in the 'functionality' of daily affairs which embraces all aspects of life.

Today, it has become a habit and attitude, practical n economical,
willing to adapt as long as it brings benefits and well beings.
The God has taken root too.
For example, Buddha is prayed as a God,
rather than a being who is free from the Samsara world, a world "bonded" with conditions.

(And this attitude is what Mao trying to eradicate from the chinese's mind, to make himself a god and to make communism firmly take shape in the 'old' Middle Kingdom with Yi-culture).

 

[yly2pg1]

"I am going to try to look up a website that links the Hebrew letters with musical notes, also hand signals...
And a number of things.
There is an entire field of gematria involved.
(Words having numerical equivalences, and involving geometric patterns - Biblical Greek does this also) "

Same applies to Yi.

The traditional chinese world (before a general reform in education system in 1912), is practically a Yi culture where science, mathematics, chinese character, medicine, musical notation, philosophy and thought etc are originated from! The chinese calls the process "evolution"[Yan3 Yi4].

Yi-related culture is suppressed among chinese during the rule of Manchus from 1644 onwards.
But, the appreciation of 'Dao De Jing' is a must for Manchu higher officials. And ironically, confucianism is highly placed for the Han (the chinese) to institute the family values
with the intention to curb rebellion. Hence the "evolution" process in many areas since then is retarded.

 

[yly2pg1]

"Is there a tie-in here to luck or fate, even through speculation or personal philosophical views? "


What is FATE (MING)?

The 'Trigram' is a 'schema' (which i hv leant here) in one of a thread.
http://www.yijing.co.uk/papers/technical.html

In our times, a schematic drawing is used to define eletronic circuitry.
But, anyone ever realise 'FATE' is indeed a kind of schematic diagram?

Take the following "H-Bridge diagram" as an example:
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/Motors/H-Bridges/HBridge_NPN-PNP.gif

In Yi Text, there are 4 characters which will often appear in a changing line:

Ji[2] ----- auspicious
Wu[2] jiu[4] - no error
hui[3]------regret
xiong[1]----disaster

In "H-Bridge Diagram", the following pattern is observed which we can draw an analogy:
(it is about the flow of charge btw two nodes of the "H" in the middle of the drigram)

10---auspicious
00---no error
01---regret
11---disaster

If this is true, we can derive an analogy btw electronic components and trigrams:

COMPONENT___TRIGRAM
npn---------Fire/Water?
pnp---------Fire/Water?
grounding---Earth
power-------Heaven
inductor----?
capacitor---?
resistor----Mountain
?-----------?

 

[gene]

Martin

I understand what you mean about two types of aethers. Look at Richard Hoagland's http://www.enterprisemission.com/hurricane1.htm
and see what he says about the aether. The idea of an aether is an old old idea that is basically metaphysical in nature. But science has become ruled by people who want to throw anything metaphysical out of it, for reasons I won't go into now, and as such "throw out the baby with the bathwater." How many times have you heard, "There is no scientific evidence for..." What does that mean? Science doesn't even know what gravity is, they only know what it does. The same is true with electromagnetism. Saying there is no scientific evidence for something is the same as saying, we are too ignorant of the subject to discuss it. The high priests of science. Nothing but a joke.And science has taken us out of the dark ages? Give me a break. Not meaning to be cruel to anyone's science knowledge here. I love science. And I love to discuss science. And I've had some significant discussions with physicists in the past about some things.I love hyperdimensional physics, string theory, quantum theory. But any physicist who thinks he/she understands it is barking up the wrong tree. We aren't even out of the forest yet. We are running blind. What egotism the scientific world has.

And Jte, yes I agree with you. They were more in touch, but even more...How did Jonathan Swift know about the two moons of Mars before there were telescopes? How did primitive man come up with a system of understanding the stars in 3000 BC? How did they know about the precession of the equinoxes? And I could go on and on. There have been tribes in Africa found when white men first started coming who knew things about star systems that can't be seen with the naked eye. The scientific priesthood tried to tell us, "oh they were influenced by missionaries who came earlier." Which is just plain ridiculous. It's like telling a pilot he was chasing the planet Venus when he reports a UFO. Any schoolboy knows that Venus can only be seen no longer than 48 minutes, (one day out of the year) either after the sun has gone done or before it comes up in the sky because Venus never gets more than 48 degrees from the sun. But people believe this stuff. Because they never think. Where did the ancients get this knowledge? But no one ever thinks about it.

Gene

 

[martin]

Yes Gene, that is the problem, science as a method to discover the truth is beautiful but science as an institution is unfortunately all too often dominated by arrogant nitwits. They will tell you that evolution according to Darwin is a "fact", that consciousness is merely an artifact of brain activity, that those who believe or know that we have a soul are stupid and superstitious, and so on, and so on.
And what is perhaps worse is that so many people look up to these nitwits and believe every word they say. "Scientists say that .. so it is true".
As far as I'm concerned, it's not very different from religious fundamentalism and bible banging.

 

[yly2pg1]

"Science doesn't even know what gravity is, they only know what it does.
The same is true with electromagnetism."

"And what is perhaps worse is that so many people look up to these nitwits and
believe every word they say. "Scientists say that .. so it is true".
As far as I'm concerned, it's not very different from religious fundamentalism and
bible banging."

The 'BLUEPRINT' is very much intact!!!

 

[yly2pg1]

THE BLUEPRINT

Something is valuable about human being - his "mind property".
This can be found in the Buddhist scripture.

Human mind is so special that his mind 'spectrum' could be 'molded' to
fit into 'ALL' the upper realms (hyper-dimensions?). Only at human realm
that this process could be reached. In short, human mind exhibits a wide spectrum of
properties which could be 'tapped'.

The higher civilizations is aware of this. And 'they' hv come to develop a way
to 'intercept' the mind spectrum. And this where the BLUEPRINT starts.
The blueprint is devised so that the mind spectrum could fit into their
'specifications' for specific social role and arrangement.
There will be occasions when new set of specification is introduced.

A pious follower of a b**** will probably be 'destined' to a 'partcular' dimension.
However, an independent mind, shaman, yogis, monk etc may not be that 'lucky'
coz their mind spectrum may fall outside the 'specifications'.

BTW, strictly speaking Yi is not so much a b****.
The God in Yi is 'functionality'.

 

[yly2pg1]

Some opinion about 'Node' and 'Meridian' in Tai Chi.

'Node and Meridian' is a 'interfacing system' where mind interfaces with body.
In my opinion, certain nodes in this system is 'connected' to other dimensions.
The 'strength' of this connection with certain dimension prediposes individual
to make his/her own judgement and preference.

 

[martin]

Yes, that makes sense and what is more, when you say that it feels as if you are looking from other dimensions, from outside the box, so to speak. There is a lot of open space in it.
I guess you know very well, from personal experience, what it means to fall outside 'specifications'.

 

[martin]

One could perhaps say that some theories, some models of the universe, also have 'nodes' that connect it to other dimensions.
One problem with current scientific models is often that these connections are rather weak or nonexistent. Most or all doors to inner space remain closed, even if the model accounts for the vastness of outer space.
This 'inner' lack of space is, I think, related to a grasping attitude toward knowledge and understanding. It is as if one is afraid that the truth will escape, so one tries to imprison it in theoretical cages.

 

[martin]

Open science is somewhat like what is described in line 5 of hexagram 8, I think. It allows the truth to escape.
But of course there is no need to 'shoot' the truth and if you let it escape it will probably return to you sooner or later.

 

[jerryd]

To hold a truth as unyealding and unchangeable is perhaps the biggest mistake man has made over time. Denying there are no absolutes is the second biggest mistake.

 

[gene]

Hi everyone

I thought you all would jump on me about my blunder re: Venus. It is true it never gets more than 48 degrees away from the sun, but that doesn't mean it is only visible for 48 minutes. I don't know what I was thinking. However, the overall point I still believe in, that Venus is not that visible all that often, and there is only a small window...

Anyway... I like the way you phrase it Martin, about the problem with science. And it is very interesting about the "fact" of evolution, as every theory proposed has crumbled in the onrush of evidence, yet, "It can't be wrong."

"God as functionality" ... speaking of which...the "superior" man, the "noble" man in the I Ching understands the functionality of the time and acts in accord with it. This is what makes him/her noble or superior. When I first started to write a book on the I Ching, "which was later lost in a computer crash" the main theme of the book was the "functionality" of time, or how all things follow a "sine wave" Good times, bad times, and how the superior noble one applies himself in such situations. Now I am slowly evolving a book again on slightly a different tack. Hopefully this time I will eventually be able to carry it through to completion.

Gene

 

[gene]

I do fear a lot of criticism in writing a book on the I Ching since I don't know the original Chinese language, but the book is not going to be a line for line diagnosis as such anyway, but the concepts will hopefully be timeless and beyond the scope of a commentary.

Gene

 

[gene]

YLY2

I am not sure how you are defining node and meridian. Are you speaking of the accupressure points and the chi meridians of the body? Just curious. As such, I can see how you can consider them an interfacing system. As I see it, Ch'i is a universal flow of some indefinable kind of energy, or more than energy, an awareness force...

And this relates as much to another thread, somewhere here, where I replied to Hilary about the thunder in the earth.... A simple example people can do with practice that will show them the reality of yin chi being cold, and yang being hot, also that yin refers to inside as yang to outside.

Practice this only until you can do it, unless you have a good grasp of integrating yin and yang in the body, but it should be safe. Take deep breaths in and out, and as you breath, make sure you breathe from the lower abdomin. Your abdomin should expand as you breathe in and contract as you breath out. Now, after a few breaths, imagine that you are breathing right through the skin in the palm of your hands. Some will feel it right away, others it will take practice to sense it. Your imagination must be strong, meditative. With practice you will begin to feel a sense of energy flowing into your hands. Now, feel this energy as you breathe in, and as you breathe out. When you breathe in, you will begin to feel your hands becoming slightly cooler, as you breathe out, you will begin to feel your hands become slightly hotter. Why? Because breathing in is yin, breathing out is yang. We have the indication that yin is within in hexagram 37, Forget the maleness femaleness of it, and just remember that female refers to yin and male to yang. The central line in the lower hexagram is yin, and it tells us that the yin should be within. Yin is inside, yang is outside. This exercise though, will give you a feeling of the reality of this.

Gene

 

[yly2pg1]

"Now I am slowly evolving a book again on slightly a different tack."

BTW, i like the word 'evolving' here.
This is how the Yi works.
It evolves over a period of time and you will be surprised how far it will bring you to!

And a rigid pre-conceived notion will sometimes retard the evolutions.

 

[yly2pg1]

"I do fear a lot of criticism in writing a book on the I Ching since I don't know the original Chinese language,
but the book is not going to be a line for line diagnosis as such anyway,
but the concepts will hopefully be timeless and beyond the scope of a commentary."

Yi gives Hex19.2
Probably a promising one!

In the context of timeless value of writing, you need a 'blueprint'... constructing your OWN blueprint,
and leave the details for a while coz the functionality of time will bring back the pieces ... into the blueprint itself.

 

[prynne]

a human conciousness being siphoned off by another race, fate the border of that's race's etheric country, or playpen, the blueprint for yogis are mandalas, mantras...I had a dream last night standing in a school with scientist who explained how we humans were seeded...they showed viral strains that were found billions of years ago on this planet

 

[gene]

Thanks Yly2

Hi Prynne

That's exactly how it happened, as in your dream. Though people don't want to believe that, we were truly seeded by an alien race. A special creation. By the way, a look at the book of Genesis reveals that there were two creations of man, not just one. A look at the Hebrew shows that a different name was used for God in each case also. Compare Genesis two with Genesis one.

Gene

 

[prynne]

Fascinating Gene. The Hebrew seems to have a narrow scope, it seems likely there were more than two. Compare the map of early Babylon, the language of the Sumerians, the Annunaki, to the Maps YLy2pg1 posted.

 

[gene]

Hi Prynne

The Hebrew is very terse, and yet it says a lot with a little. The Sumerians were much more detailed in their description of how it happened. If the Sumerians had codes in their language though, I am not aware of anyone who has deeply delved into them. But there is a good chance they did. The Torah I believe is a metaphysical alchemical text and not just a history book. That may be true of the Sumerian's texts too though. And part of this war in Iraq, I know many people out there won't believe it, but part of the reason it was fought was to make sure the public does not get access to many of the ancient sumerian documents, and make sure that our military does. The documentation for military hardware on a very high technological level is probably in those documents. The same thing is true in India, some of their ancient documents give details descriptions of how to create the technology for flying machines such as UFO's. In area 51, (you can do a google search on this,) the U.S. military has experimental machines that are antigravity devices based on cooperation with alien races. Some of it is due to reversed engineeering also. Rumor has it that India too, has created these machines, based on ancient manuscripts. There is a strong possibilty also that Russia and China have them.

Gene

 

[martin]

Seth about Sumerians:

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR SIZE=0><!-Quote-!><FONT SIZE=1>Quote:</FONT>

Your present civilization and the ?old? Sumerian civilization, exist at once, then simultaneously, but to speak to you about these I must use a time sequence you understand. If it were understood that these civilizations exist at once, then you would not be so surprised that they ?were? able to build structures that you cannot build in your now.

Your now and their now exists now.

In the present physical area in which it seems to you that a physical civilization once existed, that civilization still exists. You cannot meet it though you stand at the same spot, because of the ideas of time that separate you. The civilization in flower, and the ruins, coexist. The living ancient Sumerians pass the modern tourists without seeing them, even as the tourists walk in the middle of the old Sumerian marked places and see only ruins.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

Love that.

Maybe one could say that the Sumerians exist in a kind of parallel universe or on a frequency that is close to ours but not exactly the same.
I suspect that a Sumerian machine would not be very useful here because it would probably slip in and out of our reality all the time. Kind of uncontrolled stealth.
Perhaps that can also explain why UFO's seem to behave rather odd.

 

[gene]

Martin

I don't know if you have bothered to look at the ascension2000.com website, but a lot of it is based on, or quotes the Seth material. Since we are all one, there is no separation, there is also no separation in time. Hence it all happens at once. We still could find weapons hidden in the sand in our time/space illusion though, and that is in reality, one of the truer reasons we are over there fighting. As Richard Hoagland says though, "even if we found it, we wouldn't know how to use it." Well, they don't understand the UFO's propulsion systems yet either, but we are getting much closer. Soon, antigravity flying will be par for the course, even in commercial aviation. The popular tv series called "Stargate" (the original show was about the Egyptian pyramids, and finding a code that revealed a stargate that could be entered, and put us immediately on a different planet), is based partly on this technology, and what little has been so far discovered. Often these sci fi thrillers, are closer to reality than we care to believe.

Gene

 

[gene]

An interesting website:

http://www.williamhenry.net/

Gene

 

[yly2pg1]

THEY'RE ALREADY HERE

http://waroftheworlds.com/