me and ex: 46.4 keeps coming up

[ichinglover]

hi all!

I really enjoy being a part of this forum, and under the current circiumstances in my life there aren't many things that I enjoy

recently I asked couple questions about my ex and surprisingly kept getting the same answer.

Will he contact me? 46.4 - Got it twice on two different days
is he out of my life forever? 46.1.4.6

I obviously browsed thru this forum, books, and internet, and still I find this confusing.

It probably talks about me, rather than him? And what should i do with this info?

 

[tigerintheboat]

Sacrifice and Heal

I recently I asked couple questions about my ex and surprisingly kept getting the same answer.

Will he contact me? 46.4 - Got it twice on two different days
is he out of my life forever? 46.1.4.6

Since these are yes/no questions, there is an extra layer of interpretation, but I would generally take 46.4 as a suggested direction to you, if that is what you want (contact with ex). So it is suggesting that to ascend upwards, you must make a sacrifice.

This text seems appropriate, from WikiWing: "Making the offering on the sacred mountain; climbing it is an act of pilgrimage. You make or plan new conquests in remote lands, but you also need to return to your own sacred place and reconnect. "

Perhaps you need to reconnect and heal this part of your past before you can "make new conquests in remote lands."

Tiger

 

[ichinglover]

Thanks a lot Tiger!

But I don't want to contact him first, it would be useless, and it's a matter of pride too
I'll look like a fool
I do want him to contact me and help me out....

I wish I knew better what I ching was talking about ...What is the sacrifice amd where is this mountain chi I should climb? It is so cryptic....

 

[bamboo]

Maybe the sacrifice could be your pride...it seems a good time to initiate contact, rise up, be seen....and in the next question, there is 46.6 which can almost be seen as "wearing blindfolds" , not allowing yourself to recognize the need for action and perhaps passing the opportunity...Is there some way to allow yourself to be "seen" so he can be moved to initiate contact?

can't help it, it reminds me of the song "If I Loved You" ...maybe he is wearing the blindfolds, maybe he is unaware that you desire contact, (but would love it if you did)

 

[tigerintheboat]

Symbolic, Not Cryptic

But I don't want to contact him first, it would be useless, and it's a matter of pride too
I'll look like a fool
I do want him to contact me and help me out....

I wish I knew better what I ching was talking about ...What is the sacrifice amd where is this mountain chi I should climb? It is so cryptic....

Ascending uses the image of a mountain and the need to sacrifice, but there does not have to be a literal mountain, or an alter where you offer up your first born. These are symbolic ideas.

Bamboo, IMHO, is right on. Yi is saying you need to do this to heal, not necessarily to have him back, but to get right with the area and then move on. So, as you said, only pride is keeping you from contacting him.

Keep this imagery in mind. Suppose you are an ancient, and you going on a mountain to sacrifice to a god. Do you expect something good to happen because you did the sacrifice? No, you do it because it is necessary, and expected. So sacrifice your pride because it has to go, to support your growth and moving on. Probably nothing particularly positive will happen at the meeting, but hopefully you will be a little less attached afterwards.

Progress often depends on letting go of whatever we are holding on to....

Tiger

 

[ichinglover]

Thanks Tiger and Bamboo...
Exactly a year ago, I wrote to him already...Never received any reply.
I did it to to heal and move on, alas, it didn't really help
May be this reading refers to that...It was done out of the blue for him,
I suspect...So, Tiger it seems that you are describing the past event!

Can this reading refer to the past - a year ago?

Instinctively, I don't feel it's a right thing to do - to write him now...
To chase him? But I need help, and I was hoping he will re-appear...

Well, may be this hope is what I need to let go?
Or him?

Speaking if abandoning the hope I asked:

should I stop hoping that he will come back (re-appear)?
62.4.6 ->52


When I saw the lines i thought yes right away.
Though after reading the explanation I thought may be it means
if you stop you will encounter misfortune...

i really find it this one hard to interpret

 

[ichinglover]

Anyone out there?

I'm really-really lost with this one, it's sounds so ominous?

I'll really appreciate any ideas on the subject

 

[timoteo]

Hi, interesting coincidence, I was asking about an ex who hadn't replied to some correspondence and got 46.4 and wondered what to make of it -- this discussion was enlightening, thanks to all. In my case this was an important friend, one who raised my awareness about a lot of things, and I want to re-establish it -- but I have to be very careful because we're both happily married now and too much attention will be unseemly, maybe even dangerous. Maybe it's telling me this is a slow and spiritual process, and what's called for is a certain sacrifice of any other motive. And to get it straight in my own mind before striking out into her world, which is now strange to me. Certainly it's understandable if an ex is afraid to communicate too much, even if she cares about you, for fear of encouraging ideas that are no longer realistic.

 

[diamanda]

I'll say this with sadness: every time i've seen 46 for just about
any relationship question, of anyone ever involved, it so far has
always meant try to get over it slowly.... If anyone has even
one good instance to the opposite, please let me know and i'll
throw a party.

 

[ichinglover]

Timoteo and Diamanda, thanks a lot!

To get over it then? Makes sense...Unfortunately...

Any comments about this quetion then?

should I stop hoping that he will come back (re-appear)?
62.4.6 ->52

 

[diamanda]

should I stop hoping that he will come back (re-appear)?
62.4.6 ->52

The answer says,
62 - lay low
62:4 - when you meet (?), don't go further than hello
62:6 - very great caution is needed, warning of misfortune
52 - a need for calmess, a hint of being alone
hidden line here is 15:6, energetically correcting one's own
self and affairs/home.

I think the question is a bit strangely phrased, hence the
round-about answer. We can't switch off our feelings and
our hope just like that. They have a life of their own, and
feelings do not communicate with logic at all. So i guess
the answer is telling you try to take it easy, and lay low,
and try to be as calm as you can, while at the same time
looking after yourself, till the storm passes over. It's
interesting that 62:4 hints at a possible meeting, if there
is one you'll need to muster all caution you've got it seems.

 

[ichinglover]

Diamanda, thanks a lot for your post!

I always like to read your posts - they are very thoughful and perceptive.
This hidden line that you mention is soooo true!

Indeed that's what I need....But what i the misfortune I wonder?
Of abandoning the hope?

 

[diamanda]

Thanks for the nice words ichinglover. Some more thoughts on this reading. The notion
of nest and home is everywhere in your answer. A bird is in a nest. Then it really wants
to make a move, but it shouldn't as that would be not only dangerous (62:4) but also
ominous and injurious (62:6) as then the bird would either leave completely and get
injured, or get caught in a net. There is a need to stay at home (52, one's courtyard)
and even hidden line 15:6 speaks of a need to turn full attention to one's own home
and affairs. The bird should forget about moving and flying high, it should stay put
and look after the nest and the home.

52 says, "the superior man does not permit his thoughts to go beyond his situation".
It seems there is nothing you can do about him, ie you can't run after him and initiate
things (you said it had no result in the past anyway). If the bird is your hope then your
hope should lay low, not try to fly high as then it would get injured; 'it' should be now
concentrating on your own life, home, and affairs. If the bird is you, likewise. It would
be much more fruitful to invest your hope and energy in what there is immediately
around you (or even in your own self) rather than investing it on someone who is out
of sight right now. So i don't think it's a matter of giving up anything (hope), rather
re-directing it to where it is most needed at present.

 

[ichinglover]

Hi Diamanda!

i just re-read your last post in this thread,
and I'm amazed at your perceptiveness, and some sort of psychological acumen...

I see your interpretation in a better light now...

It's true, how can I give up hope or any other emotion...
However, I was brought up to supress my emotions, ignore them, not show them,
not honor them..And it's a total absurd!

I tried to control them, in a sense of manipulating them and not just not showing them,
and it never ever worked, on the contrary it made me sick, it took too much energy from me...

Indeed, how can one control hope? This was a rather strange question of me to ask from i ching...

Thanks for opening my eyes!