Memorizing the I Ching 22. Pi / Grace

[bruce_g]

Ahhh, those old movies... All classics. The decade that brought us luminaries like Vanesa del Rio. Brazil wasn't anywhere in the "styling map" way back then...

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I watched them only to satisfy my thirst for social science. View attachment 233

 

[getojack]

I can't remember the first half of the 70's... It must be the drugs... No, wait, it's because I wasn't born yet!

When did this forum turn into ''geezerporn.com'' anyway?

Ah well, I'll just reminisce about Jenna Jameson.

 

[mudpie]

Thats the cool part about getting old(er).........you wear stuff like black socks with opentoed sandals and not give a #&** what anyone thinks. sometimes.

I went into Saks Fifth Avenue , of all places, a while ago, and at the Chanel counter, the young miss selling make-up said politely to me..."Excuse me, Ma'm , but you have something on your blouse...thought you would want to know..." I looked down and saw, to my horror, that I had all these crumbs on me from a rice krispie treat I had been eating in the car. OMG. I am not as cool as Rosada. I felt mortified..and officially OLD. only old people forget to wipe crumbs from their shirts.
geezerporn for sure.

 

[hollis]

naaaah! not YOU!

you don't sound old you sound like a baby! crispy treats on the blouse, heck, any bird likes that kinda thing!

 

[bruce_g]

Thats the cool part about getting old(er).........you wear stuff like black socks with opentoed sandals and not give a #&** what anyone thinks. sometimes.

I went into Saks Fifth Avenue , of all places, a while ago, and at the Chanel counter, the young miss selling make-up said politely to me..."Excuse me, Ma'm , but you have something on your blouse...thought you would want to know..." I looked down and saw, to my horror, that I had all these crumbs on me from a rice krispie treat I had been eating in the car. OMG. I am not as cool as Rosada. I felt mortified..and officially OLD. only old people forget to wipe crumbs from their shirts.
geezerporn for sure.

I love how the environmental background plays into your sense or mortification. If you were shopping in Wal-Mart, you would have fit right in.

Yes, old people really are clueless. Crumbs on blouses are out, neck tattoos are in.

 

[bruce_g]

Grace in the isles of Saks
The crumbs of krispie treats are small
Humiliation, but in the end the janitor swept them up.

 

[mudpie]

lol. walmart here I come.

 

[rosada]

*Nine at the top means:
Simple grace. No blame.

Here at the highest stage of development all ornament is discarded. Form no longer conceals content but brings out its value to the full. Perfect grace consists not in exterior ornamentation of the substance, but in the simple fitness of its form.
-Wilhelm

 

[rosada]

And yeah, Bruce, you're good. I was wearing shades. Gottem at the 99cents store. Simple, graceful and they did the job.

I think you are right, Trojan. Because I post on every line and look for a connection, I think the manefestations have become much more specific. Also, in my experience, writing something on the computer seems to make a statement infinitely more powerful. Like affirmations really work for me when I send them out to friends in emails.

btw, I just realized crayola crayons come in small boxes with the standard eight colors and in a large box with 64 crayons to the box. Sixty-four hexagrams, sixty-four colors in a crayola crayon box. Co-incidence? I don't thiiiink so...
Let's see, hex1 would be white of course, hex2 black, hex3 grey? hex4 red? Well, someone else can sort this one out..just thought I'd mention it...

 

[lightofreason]

IC+ 22.6

Line 6
"In one's later (spiritual) years, facades have gone. Simple white is all."

Facades reflect biases and so the play with harmonics. Here we have pruned all of that (line 6 being controlled by hex 23) and so all we have is the simple white (which is the originator of the harmonics in the first place) - we are back to basics as such but with perhaps an inner light revealed. (this is also interpretable as removing the outer 'skin' to reveal what was simple and plain all along, the 'white' light inside. - that which we have tried in 22 to hide by drawing attention away from the 'simple inside' to the exaggerations of the facade.)

 

[getojack]

Feelin' like 22.6

Just to set the record straight, I love all you old geezers with your vintage porn, polyester flare collars, and black socks with open-toed sandals. Without that, I wouldn't be here right now.

 

[bruce_g]

Just to set the record straight, I love all you old geezers with your vintage porn, polyester flare collars, and black socks with open-toed sandals. Without that, I wouldn't be here right now.

Aw, we love you too, Jack. But you left out my white shoes with matching belt, and ear hair comb over.

 

[Trojina]

Rosada I completely overlooked my preoccupation these last few days yet thinking about it its pretty apt especially as we are on 22,6. Just got rid of a few items of apparel, including ahem a white studded belt and a few diamante type belts and alot of other slightly weird and glitzty stuff. I always had a bit of a taste for sparkly things, put it down to growing up in the glam rock era...but this week I thought OMG no more, I wanna go plain and simple - perfect 22.6.

I can't bring myself to ditch my white boots though I will keep em till I'm old and grey, maybe wear them out on my 80th birthday, if I can walk in them.

 

[mudpie]

polyester flare collars....???? you're talking to the jeans and T shirts with Frye boots generation.....get your geezers straight.ahem

 

[bruce_g]

polyester flare collars....???? you're talking to the jeans and T shirts with Frye boots generation.....get your geezers straight.ahem

no poly here
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[Trojina]

Ah what a cute boy, such big eyes - it is you Bruce isn't it ? Just wondering why you are holding a stuffed dear and appear to be in ecstasy.

Never heard of Fry boots before, nice though

 

[bruce_g]

Ah what a cute boy, such big eyes - it is you Bruce isn't it ? Just wondering why you are holding a stuffed dear and appear to be in ecstasy.

Never heard of Fry boots before, nice though

I only vaguely remember the photo being taken by my old friend. When he sent this and others to me recently, he said I was "goofing", clowning around. Me clowning around.. imagine that.

 

[hilary]

Just came across a superb hexagram-22-ish quotation on a blog:
“[FONT=Arial Unicode MS, sans-serif]When a flower is visible it is beautiful. A flower does not say 'I am better than', nor does it say 'I am less than'. Flowers are true to themselves and stand as visibly as they can.”

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[lightofreason]

Just came across a superb hexagram-22-ish quotation on a blog:
“[FONT=Arial Unicode MS, sans-serif]When a flower is visible it is beautiful. A flower does not say 'I am better than', nor does it say 'I am less than'. Flowers are true to themselves and stand as visibly as they can.”

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....such as the Venus Fly-Trap. The Facade is attractive but wait until you get real close to what is behind it. ;-)

 

[hilary]

That may be good general life advice, but I don't believe it has much to do with Hexagram 22 (3rd century BC version, that is). 22 is about creating a genuinely communicative image of the reality you bit through to and digested in hexagram 21. No-one will be able to see or relate to it until you do.

 

[lightofreason]

That may be good general life advice, but I don't believe it has much to do with Hexagram 22 (3rd century BC version, that is). 22 is about creating a genuinely communicative image of the reality you bit through to and digested in hexagram 21. No-one will be able to see or relate to it until you do.

so let me get this straight - you are from the time the IC was developed and had an intimate talk with the supervisor who told you all of this? Dont think so.... and the sequence you talk of is but one of many so the pair of 21/22 is not as 'absolute' as you seem to believe. I can put 22 with 36 as I can 21 with 51 and so out the window you rigid perspective goes.

The iC is a language, but not of letters/words, but of qualities. REALLY generic ones that allow for local context to customise by adding local colourings, images, letters/words, sounds etc etc. YOUR local colouring tries to universalise with such absolutist, rigid statements such as "22 ...is a communicative image of the reality you bit through in 21"

If that were true then you could not take 22 out of that context, that relationship with 21, to mean anything else - but we can. Since the binary system is the 'natural' system for deriving hexagram pairs, lets see what we get - we get a pair of hexagrams, 36/22 representing the hiding of 'light' in that the context is not as likeminded as one would like to believe.

In the binary sequence, due to its self-referencing, we can apply analysis to an octet in the same manner as we can the whole 64-hexagram, 8-octets, sequence. So - we have

36,22 63,37 55,30 49,13

36 'opposes' 13
22 'opposes' 49

36 says 'aint no likeminded here!', 13 says 'all likeminded here!'
22 says 'need to focus on seeing only the surface here', 49 says 'we can look behind the surface here!'

If we cover the whole sequence then we have 22/47 - outside/inside - or is that too 'flexible' for you? The traditional sequence rules right?!

Lets review the traditional octet covering 22:

17,18 19,20 21,22 23,24

Since the pairs in the traditional sequence imply it too was derived from self-referencing but not of pure yin/yang, but some derived quality, we can do the opposites 'trick' :

17 opposes 24, 17 starts a belief, 24 comes back to it.
18 opposes 23, 18 corrects existing corruptions, 23 prunes to avoid them later.

22 'opposes' 19 - 22 puts on a facade to attract (to be approached), 19 does the approaching.

20 'opposes' 21 - 20 stands out and is admired, 21 rules out standing out, demands no deviations. (but then 20 also covers punishment in the form of being made an example of, 21 also covers punishment through establishing of laws)

and for 21/22?

PROBLEM SOLVE:

21 : problem solve - through chew over; 21 problem solving comes out of a context described by hexagram 16 - foresight, plan, enthuse

22 : problem solve - through gloss over; 22 facade, beautify comes out of a context described by hexagram 15 - modesty, to level-out

Come on Hilary, move into the 21st century - learn to really appreciate what you are dealing with, not wander around the traditional prison!

At the REALLY generic level 22 covers the contractive sharing of space with another/others operating in a context of being within some expansive boundary. Note how that GENERIC description fits 22 with 36 as it does 22 with 21 as it does 22 with 19... and so on. The RIGID elements are so VAGUE as to be useless for precise communications but just enough to seed meaning.

.... and then there is XOR to flesh out more details - we can get 22 to describe itself through vague analogies to all of the other hexagrams - do you get that these days or is it still to too much to take? hard to believe?

22 can go with EVERY other hexagram in the IC and 'say' something. It is not rigidly tied to 21 as you appear to believe. Come on Hilary, come out and smell all of the different flora/fauna! ... reminds me a bit of England vs Australia - all you see in England are 'bland' birds, here we have them and some of the most colourful parrots etc in the world - and all in the back yard!

 

[hollis]

That may be good general life advice, but I don't believe it has much to do with Hexagram 22 (3rd century BC version, that is). 22 is about creating a genuinely communicative image of the reality you bit through to and digested in hexagram 21. No-one will be able to see or relate to it until you do.

I confess that I read this online community to deepen my understanding of the I Ching, and to understand my readings better, and to resolve the problems that I go to in the I Ching for in the first place.

This was so beautifully put, Hilary, I wont bore with the details of the synchronicity of it, or why it has made whole my experience with my former fiance, (my 22) but it did. And I thank you for sharing this.

:bows:

 

[bruce_g]

....such as the Venus Fly-Trap. The Facade is attractive but wait until you get real close to what is behind it. ;-)

Beauty which serves a purpose; what can be more beautiful than that?

 

[bruce_g]

This is very unromantic, unless you happen to be a guy (make that man or boy). A friend of mine sent a picture of his shiny red snowblower. A thing of shear beauty. A perfect match of form and functionality. Ok, going back to play with my toy trucks now.

 

[Sparhawk]

This is very unromantic, unless you happen to be a guy (make that man or boy). A friend of mine sent a picture of his shiny red snowblower. A thing of shear beauty. A perfect match of form and functionality. Ok, going back to play with my toy trucks now.

Such a manly attitude... Always wishing and sighing for things we cannot use (or afford) in real life... When was the last time you had a snow blizzard in Arizona??

L

 

[bruce_g]

Such a manly attitude... Always wishing and sighing for things we cannot use (or afford) in real life... When was the last time you had a snow blizzard in Arizona??

L

Not since I've lived here, but my friend lives in the Poconos of PA.

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[bruce_g]

I don't lust after things any more, but I do appreciate them.

 

[Sparhawk]

Not since I've lived here, but my friend lives in the Poconos of PA.

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Vade retro!!! Better there than in South Jersey! There should be a law forbidding falling snow anywhere but in the mountains...

L

 

[Sparhawk]

I don't lust after things any more, but I do appreciate them.

Well, that sounds like wisdom to me...

L

 

[bruce_g]

Well, that sounds like wisdom to me...

L

Naw, it's called getting old.