Memorizing the I Ching 23. Po / Splitting Apart

[bruce_g]

22 using hair gel

23 washing hair gel from your hair

15 not using too much hair gel next time

 

[rosada]

The Lines

23.1
Six at the beginning means:
The leg of the bed is split.
Those who persevere are distroyed.
Misfortune.

Inferior people are on the rise and stealthily begin their destructive burrowing from below in order to undermine the place where the superior man rests. Those followers of the ruler who remain loyal are distroyed by slander and intrigue. The situation bodes disaster, yet there is nothing to do but wait.

The position at the beginning, as the lowest place, means the leg. What is split apart is the resting place, hence the image of a bed. The splitting begins below. Therein lies the danger.
-Wilhelm

 

[lightofreason]

IC+

23.1

Line 1
"Traditions are like a bed, they are something a culture rests on. The first step is to strip the bed starting with it's base. those who ignore this perish."

position 1 is ruled by hexagram 24 and covers what a hexagram keeps coming back to - its beginning/re-beginning.

The focus here is on the base, and so the infrastructure, skeletal form, as represened with 27.

with/from pruning comes hungering (cut it all back to skeltal form and then comes the need to add meat and muscle! Basics first.)

 

[rosada]

btw...

I was just noticing the similarity in the IMAGES for Hexagram 7 and Hexagram 23:

7,
Thus the superior man increases his masses
By generosity toward the people.

23.
Thus those above can ensure their position
Only by giving generously to those below.

 

[rosada]

I note that on other threads my recent postings have met with derision. Absolutely not a problem, I only mention it cause I think it's interesting given the line we are on here. I shall now think of 23.1 - 27 as a warning that that one's expression (27) maybe challanged, and not head on, but undermined by ridicule.
Good to know!

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I recently volunteered to work in the thrift store at the senior center. After my volunteer stint I am feed a good lunch. I asked the I Ching for a comment on my new job and received 23.1 - 27. While that could be referring to the fact I'm not sure just how solid my commitment is, 23.1 suggests a shaky beginning, I also see it as a simple mirror of the situation - I'm dealing with a lot of things people are no longer wanting to take care of - Splitting Apart - and then I get fed - Nourishment.

 

[rosada]

21.2
The bed is split at the edge.
Those who persevere are distroyed.
Misfortune.

The power of the inferior people is growing. The danger draws close to one's person; already there are clear indications, and rest is disturbed. Moreover, in this dangerous situation one is as yet without help or friendly advances from above or below. EXTREME CAUTION IS NECESSARY IN THIS ISOLATION. One must adjust to the time and promptly avoid the danger. Stubborn perseverance in maintaining one's standpoint would lead to downfall.

"The bed is split at the edge," because one has no comrade.
The splitting apart mounts upward from the leg of the bed. Now the edge is splitting. This line is isolated; it is neither in the relationship of correspondence to the lines around it nor in that of holding together. Already the attack is emerging from concealment into the open.
-Wilhelm.

 

[lightofreason]

IC+

23.2

Line 2
"To avoid any conflict, agreement is made on those parts to be removed."

Line position 2 is ruled by hexagram 07 and its focus on uniformity in body and spirit (even if sourced from the outside as in an Army uniform, Army mindset etc)

Thus there is a focus here for uniformity in thinking regarding what parts of the 'bed' are to be removed.

If we map in the 'change' then with/from pruning (23) comes masking (04). 04 covers the sense of uniforming but from a socialisation perspective through education. (07 and 04 share the same space - 07 is unconditional, general, 04 conditional, particular)

From the XOR perspective we have the 07-ness of 23 described by analogy to 04 - IOW the uniforming of 07 is done in a 23 context through 04-like means (education, put on a mask as compared to 49 that takes it off).

Since in 23 the 'bed' represents foundational perspectives (the pruned 'true belief' etc) so there is occasion to need to cull bits and favour others (e.g. the formation of the accepted texts to go into the Bible)

Chris.

 

[Trojina]

I note that on other threads my recent postings have met with derision. Absolutely not a problem, I only mention it cause I think it's interesting given the line we are on here. I shall now think of 23.1 - 27 as a warning that that one's expression (27) maybe challanged, and not head on, but undermined by ridicule.
Good to know!

where ? I haven't seen anyone deriding you Rosada, or ridiculing you ? If you think I have please PM me as i can assure you it would be unintentional.

Not happy to think you are hurt

 

[rosada]

Oh, now I'm embarassed to even say I felt poked, trojan, but thank you so much for caring. Anyway, I think the experience was a good fit for the line.

Maybe this is the 23.2 experience. Illusions being ripped away. Nobody's doing it to you, you're all alone, doing it to yourself.

 

[hollis]

i loved your feng shui comments in the other thread. i have pictures tacked up on north and northwest walls of my house and taking all of your suggestions to heart. sorry for not saying so in the thread.

 

[rosada]

Hollis, did I say North? Oh shoot, then I deserve to be ridiculed. I meant to say put the pictures in the Northwest and West. The Northwest represents travel and the West is what you are wanting to create. According to Black Hat feng shui, maps and pictures in these areas will make it manefest. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[rosada]

23.2 The worst thing you can do is indulge in selfpity. It will drive the wedge in even further.
-Leichtman, Healing Lines.

Saw an episode of The Simpsons where Homer is contemplating jumpiing over the edge of Lover's Leap. As he enumerates his grievances and the injustices of life, someone comes up from behind and gives him a shove saying, "Less chat more splat!"

 

[hollis]

no, you said it right, i didnt!

 

[rosada]

Oh, okay, good! Hope it helps. Now I'm just going to sit very quietly for awhile...

 

[hollis]

me too. too chatty lately, i actually know nothing.

 

[Sparhawk]

me too. too chatty lately, i actually know nothing.

Shoosh, Hollis! Can you stop it? You are too distracting for my serious a brainy posts...

L

 

[hollis]

:bows:

 

[hollis]

Rosada, I get a kick out of the gist of the "memorizing" threads, although I've been reluctant to add to them, to jump into them, as I so admire your pluck and wizardry with this work. All that said, I do believe to be in a 23 moment here, while Rome is burning on the Philosophy-Divination thread, I am having my own private stripping after reading Carol Anthony Hannah Moog oracle, The first thought I had about her work, to be quite honest, is 'this stuff could make you crazy. really, genuinely crazy'. Dare I say I felt something schizophrenic about it??? Delusional? Granted, I already sort of feel crazy for consulting the oracle in the first place, but one finds one's balance within that framework, of oracle consulting, and then to have a book come and take the carpet out from under one's feet....

23 6 at 2: Stripping the rest(ingplace) by discerning. Disregard the determination: pitfall. (lise)

 

[Sparhawk]

while Rome is burning on the Philosophy-Divination thread

Yeah! Although, I'm not sure if I'm playing Nero or Caligula...

L

 

[hollis]

MHO? You are Seneca.

 

[mudpie]

I didnt see any derision towrds you, rosada , either, FWIW.......I expected derision about my drumming post, but I was totally serious.
funny how when you put somethings out there on the board and then click "submit reply" it can suddenly feel like a very 23.2 position....and if you DO get derision, it can then suddenly become a potential 23.3

 

[Sparhawk]

MHO? You are Seneca.

Seneca?! LOL! Yes, I can see myself in Seneca's shoes...

I'm misunderstood and under-appreciated...

L

 

[rosada]

23.3
Six in the third place means:
He splits with them. No blame.

 

[Sparhawk]

I didnt see any derision towrds you, rosada , either......

Yes, where did that happened? Want to make sure is not me hurting your feelings. I am, after all, the ones that wears the funny hat and throws puns around all the time...

L

 

[rosada]

Oh puleeez, now you are all going to know what a totally self-centered whimp I am. Alright, I'll tell you, but you'll be so disappointed in me you'll be sorry you ever asked:

hollis was wondering if there were anything more one could do to make the trip to Bali happen. I suggested that having a supply of small items to give to people in Bali might strengthen the potential. Sort of a "ask not what Bali can do for you, but what you can do for Bali". The thing is, I thought this was a really good idea, the missing key to the law of attraction. In my own experience I had just returned from a trip to California and I had several friends and relatives I sort of wanted to visit, sort of felt I ought to visit. I had one friend I had brought an unusual gift, a mermaid necklace (she collects mermaids). While with some of the other folks, while I wanted to see they were up to, I felt like maybe it had been too long, maybe it would be an imposition, and maybe even I wasn't that interested. Because of my desire to see them was sort of half baked I easily got derailed when Mom got anxious about me going out at all. But with this one friend I had a necklace for, I had a mission, a purpose, a physical reminder of my intent to see her. Plus, while I could easily change my own desires - as in, well, maybe I don't want to go after all - I could only imagine her being delighted with the gift, and so all the obstacles that delayed me from seeing other friends - phone calls, scheduling transportation - not only didn't stop me, but didn't even exist. So, you see, I thought this idea of having gifts to give as a means of getting one to stay focused on their dream, was a pretty nifty one. Anyway, I didn't express it very well, not in detail and so no one would have realized I was so intent about this. Anyway, Trojan posted back that if a person was sincerely wishing to do something for Bali, they ought to save the planet the fuel pollution and stay home. It was a good responce, but I really wanted my idea to get attention.

Then.. I went out on a limb with "Get smart Quick" and suggested we all ask the I Ching the same question, but individually, and post our various answers. Bruce shot that one down, and no one else was interested.

So about this time I'm feeling like going into the garden to eat worms when I notice 23.1 is all about egos feeling bruised. So hurray, I think, maybe there is some socially redeeming value in this life after all, and told my story here.

Anyway, that's where I was coming from.

Now..

23.3
If you don't want to hear anymore about this I don't blame you!

 

[Trojina]

But then I went out on a limb with "Get smart Quick" and suggested we all ask the I Ching the same question, but individually, and post our various answers. Bruce shot that one down, and no one else was interested.

?

Rosada I have to say I read the thread titled "Get smart Quick" and I honestly didn't understand it, didn't know what you meant so I didn't reply. I saw Bruces reply as just appreciating your joke, I thought he must have got the joke and I just didn't get it, but not for one moment did I see him 'shoot it down' ?? There was no lack of interest, but on my part utter lack of comprehension. You didn't suggest we all ask the same question did you ? I'll go back and look.

Like I explained in my PM I never meant that 'don't go to Bali' thing as a slight against you or anyone, it was just a smart ass comment. Anyway we sorted that didnt we

What worries me is not your 'ego drama' as you put it, but that you must have felt hurt by this perception of ridicule for days and noone knew. For myself if I bother you again just PM me please. People care how you feel and are asking you why you said you'd been derided because we value you here, so its really worrying you've got the opposite impression.

Even more worrying as we're on 23,3 !

 

[bruce_g]

Rosada, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I thought "Tired of being stupid?" was a hilarious and fantastically honest way to begin a thread. In fact, YES, I am tired of being stupid; that's why I answered with hex. 4.

 

[bruce_g]

On the other thing: not every pearl we poop will be recognized as a pearl.

 

[hollis]

Rosada I have to say I read the thread titled "Get smart Quick" and I honestly didn't understand it, didn't know what you meant so I didn't reply. I saw Bruces reply as just appreciating your joke, I thought he must have got the joke and I just didn't get it,

same here! as for the items to bring to Bali, I loved that idea, and actually had been saving things to bring people there and i was an idiot not to say so !

 

[Trojina]

All through that thread I didn't think anyone was actually going to Bali, I thought Bali had been bought up to simply illustrate a point. Ah so Hollis is really thinking of going to Bali, ah I get it - or do I This whole conversation here feels more 38 than 23, misunderstandings abound.