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ewald said:So it kind of surprises me that Martin and Bruce want to have one particular translation...
bruce_g said:the meaning is too large to be reduced to a singular narrow definitive English word. Take your pick and run with it
Sure. I wasn't particularly precise in expressing my point here.bruce_g said:Thought I was saying just the opposite. I'm for opening it up not narrowing it down.
ewald said:The character that Legge translates with "resources," and Bradford with "domain," is 彭, which in the Yi only appears in 14.4. The character 有 from the hexagram name is a different one. It appears in 104 lines in the Yi, in most instances meaning "there is." So it kind of surprises me that Martin and Bruce want to have one particular translation of 彭as a hexagram theme.
The theme of "resources" is in my opinion already covered in 48. The Well (and also in 27, if you like).
ewald said:Hi Bruce - I see being proud as valuing one's own accomplishment. Pride is being proud like that, but it can also mean having an inordinately high opinion of one's dignity, importance, merit, or superiority.
Either way, I have difficulty seeing how pride can bring the temptation to imitate those around you.
I guess we crossed posts, as I just explained.trojan said:How do you mean 'prescence' if not simply 'being' or 'awareness' ? Can you give an idea of when 'presence' is not ?
martin said:Resources can be material (money, land, etcetera) or immaterial (talent, smartness, etc) and the emphasis is not so much on 'having' them as on how they can be used.
It seems that in line 3 there is a tendency to confuse these two, i.e. one is tempted to 'sit on' ones resources instead of using them. But in line 4 postponing their use for a while is the right thing to do.
Okay, I see the reasoning.trojan said:Backtracking I'm not sure why you can't see pride would make one try to imitate those around one. Perhaps when you compare what you have, what you are doing with what you seeing others having or doing you feel inadequate (your pride hurts) and think you must strive to be like them.
ewald said:Okay, I see the reasoning.
You can arrive at the notion, as you say, that your pride hurts when you compare yourself to others. But that's not a necessity. If your pride is about being the best and superiority, it is, but you can also be proud of something that is an accomplishment while you know that many others are better than you at it. If you're bad at math, for instance, but you manage, with a lot of work, to pass the math exams you thought would be next to impossible to pass, you can be proud of that accomplishment. Someone else passing exams with even more perseverance won't matter to you, you're just rightfully proud of your accomplishment.
Yes.trojan said:You say it is about not dismissing something you are not proud of ? In other words admitting fault to yourself ?
ewald said:Trojan - I'm not sure why the "confused" emoticon. Do you have a problem with the concept of acknowledging fault, or something? People deny fault all the time, in order to avoid feeling to have little worth.
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