Memorizing the I Ching Hexagram 5

[rosada]

Oh! Cool. Thanks.

 

[Trojina]

Does one hexagram necessarily have to 'lead' to another or is it something we are trying to impose here. Who knows why 5 should lead to 6 ? If your're using it as a memory aid is one thing, but I don't see there really is a story like progression - like people try to make out of the tarot with the fools journey.

 

[Trojina]

1,7 and 2,7 ?? I never knew they existed ? There is no actual 7th line is there, it just stand for all line changing, mmm, but why call it line 7 ?

 

[ewald]

1.0 means the hexagram text or judgment of hexagram 1.
1.1 - 1.6 means the line with that particular number of hexagram 1.
So how do you denote "all lines changing?" Several people have already been using 1.7, and it's clear enough for me.

 

[hilary]

Hi Trojan and all,

In my experience, one hexagram definitely does lead to another. Wait, don't we know a Wing about that?

Looking at Xugua - and Zagua - you can often get a good basic idea of how one hexagram leads to the next. Naturally newborns are ignorant. (Or if you read 4 as 'enveloped', then you're born in the caul.) In 3 you settle at the centre and extend your reach in all directions - but without leaving the centre. So you keep your bearings, you don't get lost. (You throw the rattle out of the pram, the rattle comes back...) In 4 you 'know you don't know' - you experience the whole confusion of creation at once. There's scope for a whole new level of learning.

This begins to look as though each hexagram fulfils the potential of the one before (at least in this particular sequence-let). To experience the creative confusion to the full, you need Not Knowing. And for the ignoramus to develop, to learn anything, she needs open expectancy and patience. Or as the Xugua sensibly puts it, she needs feeding.

 

[rosada]

5.2

Waiting in the sand.
There is some gossip.
The end brings good fortune.

 

[rosada]

On a day when I threw this line I was invited to participate in a children's carnival. They needed someone for the Fortune Teller's "booth", a tan rug surrounded with a huge swirls of blue cloth. Obviously the predicted sandy island in the middle of a blue ocean. I told only "good fortunes" and well, I'll admit, a little gossip.

 

[ewald]

I think 言 should be translated as "talk" or something. It's not necessarily gossip. That goes for the other instances of this character as well, where "gossip" often doesn't make any sense (言 is in 5.2 - 6.1 - 7.5 - 36.1 - 43.4 - 47.0 - 49.3 - 51.0 - 51.1 - 51.6 - 52.5 - 53.1).

 

[Trojina]

Hold on, hold on, WAIT A MOMENT have I passed the point where I might enquire the meaning of 1,7 and 2,7 then ? If hex one and two have a line 7 does this mean all the other hexes have a line 7 too. I never found a translation telling me what line 7 of hex 1 and 2 meant so I'm very curious. All I have so far is Rosadas interpretation involving a 'good nights sleep' and there must be more to it than that. We were told we missed out 1,7 and 2,7 but as far as I can see no ones enlightened anyone as to what it means or can mean. I'd love to know.

Its not clear enough for me

 

[Trojina]

I can seehow waiting might lead to conflict - or can I

 

[ewald]

We were told we missed out 1,7 and 2,7 but as far as I can see no ones enlightened anyone as to what it means or can mean. I'd love to know.
Its not clear enough for me

7 is to indicate all lines changing. It's only with hexagrams 1 and 2. These have special texts for the case that all lines are changing.

 

[Trojina]

Yes I know that. I am asking if anyone would care to enlighten me as to what they think the meaning of 1,7 and 2,7 is ? What is the especial meaning if all lines change in these hexagrams ? Does anyone know ?

I'm being told over and over that 1,7 is all lines changing , yes yes, but what does it mean ? In other words how would it be interpreted should one receive it.

 

[mudpie]

You interpret it the same way you interpret all the lines..by reading the text you are using......e.g.

Hex 1 :All lines transforming:

"There appears a flight of dragons without heads.
Good fortune.

When all the lines are nines, it means that the whole hexagram is in motion and changes into the hexagram Kun, the Receptive, whose character is devotion. The strength of the Creative and the mildness of the Receptive unite. Strength is indicated by the flight of dragons, mildness by the fact that their heads are hidden. This means that mildness in action joined to strength of decision brings good fortune."

In every translation, there is an interpretation for "all lines transforming" for hexagrams one and two. NOT for all the other hexagrams

 

[rosada]

Hex 2:
When all the lines are sixes, it means:
Lasting perseverance furthers.

By holding fast to what is right, it gains the power of enduring. There is indeed no advance, but neither is there retrogression.

-Wilhelm (pg 15 of my 1966 edition, purchase for 10 cents at a used book store in San Francisco in The Summer of Love )

 

[rosada]

How's everybody doing energy wise these days? I've been very restless, and frustrated with my mind thinking of things I can't get to while I'm in the middle of doing something else. So "Crossing the great water" seems so far for me, to be about doing what one has to do to clear the decks to get to what one wants to do.

In the progression of the hexagrams I think it's about seeing how hex1 yang energy to push ahead can't be stopped by yin energy, because yin energy isn't different, yin is just yang energy that has diffused, lost it's focus? So one has to learn that eventually we lose our focus and the need to recognize this and get feedback before going too far out on a limb? Once we recognize how much the limits of what we can accomplish in a day we start developing free will by making choices? Like..
1.1 Focusing on a sugar free diet, I vow not to buy anymore Snickers bars.
2.1 I better be careful cause I'm running low.
3.1 Out of Snickers bars and no way to get to the store. (focus is shifting from sugar free diet to it's opposite)
4.1 Hmm..figured out a way to take a to the store, so now the question is where is my focus?
5.1 Waiting for the bus (Hilary!), but do I really want more Snickers or do I want to stick with my resolution? The real Conflict will come when the bus arrives?

I'm sorry I'm not as clear about my point here as I'd like to be. Something on the tip of my understanding about conciousness developing as we recognize choices... Maybe this shaky thinking is what "waiting in sand" refers to..

 

[bruce_g]

I like Brad's translation of 1.7 quite a lot:

"Observe a group of dragons - without a leader
Promising"

When each part (line) of 1 functions as an independently empowered member of the whole, the entire creation benefits. There is no need for a leader.

 

[bruce_g]

LiSe's translation of and comments on 2.7:

"Harvest: everlasting determination.
Dao is the field that supports and brings to life everything, all beings. Dao has no action at all of its own, and that frees the way for creation and energy. When everything is receptivity, nothing stands between man and universe or man and god. If man can merge with a thought, an action, an ideal, then nothing can stop him."

I've long associated Dao with woman or earth. Glad to see someone agrees. 2.7 is the ultimate Yin - Dao.

 

[getojack]

LiSe's translation of and comments on 2.7:

"Harvest: everlasting determination.
Dao is the field that supports and brings to life everything, all beings. Dao has no action at all of its own, and that frees the way for creation and energy. When everything is receptivity, nothing stands between man and universe or man and god. If man can merge with a thought, an action, an ideal, then nothing can stop him."

I've long associated Dao with woman or earth. Glad to see someone agrees. 2.7 is the ultimate Yin - Dao.

Funny... I never thought of Dao as having a hexagram, but I guess "all sixes" makes sense... to quote Laozi, "Darkness within darkness: the gateway to all understanding."

 

[Trojina]

Wow, thanks all ! Talk about a blind spot, I've never even spotted that in Wilhelm (re1,7 and 2,7) Can't say it means a huge lot to me though, I guess i would have to understand it in context of someone receiving it. Not once can I recall anyone here ever receiving 1,7 or 2,7 here and discussing it ? Perhaps another blind spot ?

Rosada I can't do much but wait this week as my back has seized up, I am waiting for it to heal and its taking its time ! (normally waiting works) Hmm sometimes I'm feeling very impatient, sometimes I think I could just try to enjoy the rest it forces me to have. I can wait in mud (yup) I can wait in a pit (yup, my bed) or i can wait happily in my bed reading sensationalist fiction (not bus timetables) Please fast forward to line 6, whoever those 3 callers are they're welcome if they bring supplies.

Funny you should mention restlessness though, if I hadn't been so restless I would not have foolishly over exersized and would not have a bad back now. I guess five is sometimes about how to wait. Thats what I've found in the past at least. If you gotta wait, make the waiting a good place to be not a place of frustration - maybe a place of gathering more nourishment.

 

[ewald]

Not once can I recall anyone here ever receiving 1,7 or 2,7 here and discussing it ? Perhaps another blind spot ?

Try the hexagram search.
1 changing to 2
2 changing to 1
There are a couple of threads with all lines changing for hexagram 1 and 2.

 

[bruce_g]

The last 24 hours have seemed to be a restless time for several people, or perhaps just in general. Something to do with moon in Aries?

Jack,

I'm glad you can see the connection. There was quite a long thread about this awhile back, and I seemed to have been the only one here who perceived Dao as Mother of creation. Most think of yin/yang as the meaning of Dao.

When all lines are 6, it is as though earth is in her fullest bloom. The interesting thing to me is that, in her peak of perfection, she does nothing of her own. She blooms and becomes, in unresisting response to the creative, and gives it a place.

 

[hilary]

I could've saved myself a couple of days running round recently if I'd waited for knowledge to come to me.
5. There is something I need
6. and I don't have it - this won't do!
7. Something Must Be Done

But I am gallopping ahead far too fast - in more ways than one, too.

5.2/63 waiting on the sands amidst small words. Aspiration reaches out across the water to something complete and ordered; underfoot, the ground never stops shifting.

 

[Trojina]

Ewald thanks, you see I was so certain there never had been anyone here who ever had this configuration I did not look properly

I like that interpretation of 5,2 Hilary reaching out to something complete. I'm wondering if 63 is so complete its finished, over and done, past. Can't be I suppose I or 5,2 could not be looking ahead to it, or then again might be looking back ? Never thought of 63 as 'the past' till someone here said it.

 

[rosada]

hex5.3

5.3
Waiting in the mud.
Brings about the arrival of the enemy.

 

[rosada]

I'm not feeling well this morning, staggering to the computer in fact, so it seems it is appropriate at this line to instigate a new guideline. From now on, let's have it that who ever dials in to onlineclarity first in the morning, posts the next line for the day. Not sure how this will work since this is going out to all these different time zones. Suggestions?

 

[rosada]

Ah, doing much better. Hope you are too, Trojan!
This recent questioning and sharing of ideas about 1.7 and 2.7 seems symbolic of what Waiting is all about. Kind of a party before school starts so we Youthful Fools can get acquainted, realize we all know something and we all don't know something, so we see the game is to share what we know, resolve any possible Conflicts in advance and ultimately be a lean mean learning machine, hexagram 7. The Army. But yes, that is a bit ahead of where we are right now.
In fact, where are we right now? Moon is in Scorpio-Sag this week, btw, Bruce. That Aries energy you were sencing was probably the Mars square Pluto we had a day or two ago and the Neptune opposing Saturn certainly sounds like shifting sands. Incidentally, I find one can effectively use the I Ching for clarification on the meaning of astrological transits.
Waiting in the mud...any insights? Or how about thoughts on 5.3/60? I've certainly been feeling slug like...

 

[bruce_g]

In fact, where are we right now? Moon is in Scorpio-Sag this week, btw, Bruce. That Aries energy you were sencing was probably the Mars square Pluto we had a day or two ago and the Neptune opposing Saturn certainly sounds like shifting sands. Insidentally, I find one can effectively use the I Ching for clarification on the meaning of astrological transits.
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Whoa, way over my head there, Rosada. I only heard it through the vine, and obviously heard wrong. (breaks into "What kind of fool am I?") Nah, never did the Vegas act thing very well. Oh, wait, wrong hexagram. :bag:

 

[rosada]

Apologies in advance if these comments are off topic or confusing. When you're stuck in the mud strange thoughts wander in...

 

[bruce_g]

A little honest mud never hurt anyone. I personally prefer it over disgustingly clean.

 

[bruce_g]

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