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Hello everyone

I am fairly new to the iChing and sometimes I understand my own readings instantly though at others, I am left wondering...

I would like to know whether any of you on this delightful forum (some of your posts are very inspirational, I must say) could give me some tips on a couple of readings here...I am open to diplomatic as well as blunt replies. All I am interested in is what comes nearer to the 'truth' as I feel it, no matter how it is dished out ;)

So, to cut a long story short, I have recently had a miscarriage and split with the boyfriend. Current mood: very content and looking forward to the future. However, I would like to have the opportunity to meet someone I could really fall in love with and have a family with and so I posed some questions to the Yi:


What are the chances that I'll get pregnant next year? 35.6>16

This looks promising, doesnt it.

What are the chances that I'll be able to have the child? 21

This seems to say that as long as I put my mind to it and look after myself, this pregnancy will be good this time.

Will the child be healthy? 30.1.3.4>23

Erm...I am not sure about this one though...clarity and splitting apart, not sure I can make sense of this one...

There is a part of me who is curious about the father's identity...so I chose to ask some extra questions to the Yi:

Will the father be a man I already know? 40.4>7

Not sure whether this means not to worry about this...or to let go of the ones I am thinking of right now...

However, I went on to ask about the two close friends of mine I have a good feeling about:

What are the chances that the father of my child be XB? 12.1.3.6>49

There is currently a connection with this guy but it's not going anywhere, it's stagnating. This situation will open up by then and change in a way that I might not expect right now...

What are the chances that the father of my child be YD? 15

This also looks promising as if the Yi is saying that this would be a better option...better chance that YD might be the father...

I wonder if any of you could give me some advice as to whether my readings are ok or totally way off.

Any assistance would be highly appreciated...

Have a good evening / morning, wherever you are located in the world :)

TD :bows:
 

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HAHA!! So there should be no problem, then :rofl:

Seriously, though. I doubt that the level of sexual arousement would, in any way, influence one's fertility.

TD
 

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35.6 :

Nine at the top means:

Making progress with the horns is permissible
Only for the purpose of punishing one's own city.

To be conscious of danger brings good fortune.

No blame.
Perseverance brings humiliation.

attack with your horns, but dont do that consistently.

consider the fan yao, for background or a springboard for the reading if you like.:

Six at the top means:
Deluded enthusiasm.
But if after completion one changes,
There is no blame.

In both cases the first action needs to be followed by the opposite action, enthusiasm not based in reality is not to blame as long as you put your feet back on the ground. And in your reading, advancing full horny boar is ok as long as you dont keep on doing that.

I'm not sure one reading on a given day can predict what will happen a whole year away so if it were my reading I would be taking it as a picture of the situation as it is now.
 
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What are the chances that I'll get pregnant next year? 35.6>16
Once i got this answer for a health question, and it turned out there existed
an underlying gynaecological problem, and i needed to go through a (very
minor) procedure at the hospital to get it fixed. So my guess here would be
that you've got a problem which you need to have fixed first, if you want to
get pregnant and deliver. The rest of the answers confirm this, the way i see
it.

What are the chances that I'll be able to have the child? 21
Not good as things are at the moment, there needs to be a 'bite' and
'justice' somewhere, if you really want it.

Will the child be healthy? 30.1.3.4>23
Confusion, singing or crying, burned out, splitting apart. Doesn't sound
good to me - again, as things stand at the moment.

Will the father be a man I already know? 40.4>7
Maybe not the first guy you're thinking of, but a second (and better) choice.

What are the chances that the father of my child be XB? 12.1.3.6>49
I would doubt he's a good choice, especially not for children (49, changing
the skin, getting rid of, revolution, change, very iffy answer).

What are the chances that the father of my child be YD? 15
Much better chances here, perhaps not a ground-shaking love, but it
sounds like he is true and honest, and can make things happen.
 
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sooo

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HAHA!! So there should be no problem, then :rofl:

Seriously, though. I doubt that the level of sexual arousement would, in any way, influence one's fertility.

TD

chuckle... glad you took it lightly.

I actually intended to be half serious though, and I think Yi was completely serious. It is true that a woman's peak fertility syncs with her typically horniest time of her monthly cycle.

Day 8 to 14 is usually when you are feeling your most horny. This is when your body will get ready to release another egg so it is also your most fertile.

Those super sexy oestrogen levels are starting to rise at this point as your body gets ready for some baby making.

This is not only when you will experience the best orgasms and the highest sex drive but you will also attract the attention of more men. www.femalefirst.co.uk/relationships/tips-151.html

It's also been said that women's likeliness of pregnancy increases when she isn't preoccupied with worry about becoming pregnant, or anything, and is fully receptive to her partner and in the moment.
 

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Thanks everyone for your help! My readings were sort of off, werent they. I gotta study / read a little more on the iChing...

Diamanda, in particular, your interpretations were spot on. I have commented on a couple of them in capitals below.

What are the chances that I'll get pregnant next year? 35.6>16
Once i got this answer for a health question, and it turned out there existed
an underlying gynaecological problem, and i needed to go through a (very
minor) procedure at the hospital to get it fixed. So my guess here would be
that you've got a problem which you need to have fixed first, if you want to
get pregnant and deliver. The rest of the answers confirm this, the way i see
it.

I do have a HUGE fibroid in my uterus, reason for the miscarriage most likely. I have to have it removed this fall so yeah, that's the problem I have to have fixed first.

What are the chances that I'll be able to have the child? 21
Not good as things are at the moment, there needs to be a 'bite' and
'justice' somewhere, if you really want it.

Could this be that I have to have the operation to remove the fibroid first before I can even think of children...

Will the child be healthy? 30.1.3.4>23
Confusion, singing or crying, burned out, splitting apart. Doesn't sound
good to me - again, as things stand at the moment.

Or it could be that the pregnancy wont be smooth? It's ok, I am ready to face any consequence.

Will the father be a man I already know? 40.4>7
Maybe not the first guy you're thinking of, but a second (and better) choice.

What are the chances that the father of my child be XB? 12.1.3.6>49
I would doubt he's a good choice, especially not for children (49, changing
the skin, getting rid of, revolution, change, very iffy answer).

Interesting...and a little disappoint cos this is the man of my dreams. But such is life...:duh:

What are the chances that the father of my child be YD? 15
Much better chances here, perhaps not a ground-shaking love, but it
sounds like he is true and honest, and can make things happen.[/QUOTE]

The latter guy definitely can make things happen and he's great but so far, we're casual about things.

Thanks again for your interpretations, they're much appreciated. How can I improve my abilities with the iChing, in your opinion(s)?

I'm open to suggestions, thanks.

TD :bows:
 

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chuckle... glad you took it lightly.

I actually intended to be half serious though, and I think Yi was completely serious. It is true that a woman's peak fertility syncs with her typically horniest time of her monthly cycle.



It's also been said that women's likeliness of pregnancy increases when she isn't preoccupied with worry about becoming pregnant, or anything, and is fully receptive to her partner and in the moment.

Oh I seeeeee, yes!! Of course, that also makes sense! And I will remember to have a relaxed attitude about it. Thanks! :bows:
 
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sooo

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What are the chances that I'll get pregnant next year? 35.6>16
Once i got this answer for a health question, and it turned out there existed
an underlying gynaecological problem, and i needed to go through a (very
minor) procedure at the hospital to get it fixed. So my guess here would be
that you've got a problem which you need to have fixed first, if you want to
get pregnant and deliver. The rest of the answers confirm this, the way i see
it.

Very interesting and good call. :bows:

Thinking how to apply this line 6 in other situations but with your example in mind. Yes, I suppose it's not so complicated really - be aggressive toward making progress, within yourself.

Thanks, will have to remember your example.
 

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it might be good to look at who will be a good father
and develop a relationship - who of the 2 is marriage
minded. I cant remember all the castings

but first miscarriage is the body (and minds') way of
saying I am not ready yet. So I would see peak health
diet etc rest

then I see 21 as justice - justice to the unborn child and
self - so we look at who is to be daddy

opton number one may change 49 on parenthood

option 2 may be the steady eddy that is so designed
for parenthood and provision

if you are looking at going it alone then thats another
matter

all in all though you need to be building a relationship
right now with yourself and a man with the same objective
,that , in a years time will be ripe enough to start a family.
 

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it might be good to look at who will be a good father
and develop a relationship - who of the 2 is marriage
minded. I cant remember all the castings

but first miscarriage is the body (and minds') way of
saying I am not ready yet. So I would see peak health
diet etc rest

then I see 21 as justice - justice to the unborn child and
self - so we look at who is to be daddy

opton number one may change 49 on parenthood

option 2 may be the steady eddy that is so designed
for parenthood and provision

if you are looking at going it alone then thats another
matter

all in all though you need to be building a relationship
right now with yourself and a man with the same objective
,that , in a years time will be ripe enough to start a family.

Of course, wise words. Thanks for your assistance on these readings :bows:
 
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diamanda

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Ah ok, the fibroid could be what is meant here, and action is needed to sort that out.
Mind you, I've read quite a few articles online, and apparently correct nutrition helps
a lot with fibroids, both with shrinking them, and preventing further ones, so maybe
you'd like to look that up. Another tip, from a friend who had a similar problem, make
sure you agree in advance with the doctor that they will not remove your uterus (!),
i know i know it sounds terrible, but my friend consulted various doctors, and most
said "it's very common" for the surgeon to decide on the spot to remove it all; but
my friend researched deeply, and this is unnecessary in the vast majority of cases,
so make sure you decide and agree beforehand.

Some more thoughts come to mind about 30.1.3.4>23. 30:1 describes too much
stress, running around, anxiety - obviously none of them helpful. 30:3 describes
lamenting old age, again stress, depression, perhaps even lots of partying (and
nothing wrong with partying as such!), then 30:4 speaks of something which
burns out quickly - could be overexhaustion, or whatever similar. None of these
three lines would bode well for pregnancy of course, as other posters also pointed
out it can also mean general lifestyle adjustments. Or it could even point to a
change in attitude, ie don't get too stressed and frantic about the whole issue as
that could be against your purpose.

What are the chances that the father of my child be XB? 12.1.3.6>49
I would doubt he's a good choice, especially not for children (49, changing
the skin, getting rid of, revolution, change, very iffy answer).

Interesting...and a little disappoint cos this is the man of my dreams. But such is life...:duh:

This is an interesting point. So far you sound as if your main purpose is a
child, regardless of who the father is, or rather that you would base your
choice on how good a father the guy would be? Feeling that XB is the man of
your dreams does not mean he would also fulfil the father role. So if we suppose
(this is speculation!) that he wouldn't be a good father, this still doesn't mean
that you two can't be together. Your question is about fatherhood, and the answer
is quite odd, so i'm not so sure about this one. The answer speaks of someone who
avoids someone else because their beliefs/values are different. Also of someone
who is ashamed of something. And finally that the standstill ends because the right
person is found - and then, ta-taaa 49 revolution, everything changes at a particular
time. Hidden line here is 25:3, someone's loss is another one's gain, a stranger
steals the cow of someone who thought he had the cow guaranteed (lol..!). And
next hidden line is 13:6 so i'm wondering if this person (a new guy!?) will actually
be a foreigner (fellowship at the frontier). It sounds to me like this XB guy doesn't
share your strong belief in having children? I hope you'll update us all if any charming
foreigner shows up!
 

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look for holistic ways to dissolve the fibroid
definitely eschew surgery
 

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Diamanda

This is too amazing for words. Here are my thoughts directly under yours:

Ah ok, the fibroid could be what is meant here, and action is needed to sort that out.
Mind you, I've read quite a few articles online, and apparently correct nutrition helps
a lot with fibroids, both with shrinking them, and preventing further ones, so maybe
you'd like to look that up. Another tip, from a friend who had a similar problem, make
sure you agree in advance with the doctor that they will not remove your uterus (!),
i know i know it sounds terrible, but my friend consulted various doctors, and most
said "it's very common" for the surgeon to decide on the spot to remove it all; but
my friend researched deeply, and this is unnecessary in the vast majority of cases,
so make sure you decide and agree beforehand.

The fibroid is too big to be shrunk by controlling eating habits alone. I am vegan and as far as I am concerned, that's the best lifestyle once can have when it comes to what's fed into one's body :bows:

I have seen three gynecologists and they have all laughed at my fear of losing my uterus while under the knife cos I'd mentioned the same stories you'd heard. I am confident everything will go according to plan here :bows:

Some more thoughts come to mind about 30.1.3.4>23. 30:1 describes too much
stress, running around, anxiety - obviously none of them helpful. 30:3 describes
lamenting old age, again stress, depression, perhaps even lots of partying (and
nothing wrong with partying as such!), then 30:4 speaks of something which
burns out quickly - could be overexhaustion, or whatever similar. None of these
three lines would bode well for pregnancy of course, as other posters also pointed
out it can also mean general lifestyle adjustments. Or it could even point to a
change in attitude, ie don't get too stressed and frantic about the whole issue as
that could be against your purpose.

They both fit. I certainly need to change my (careless party) lifestyle for one. I am not frantic about having a child. Just yet (lol) :D


This is an interesting point. So far you sound as if your main purpose is a
child, regardless of who the father is, or rather that you would base your
choice on how good a father the guy would be? Feeling that XB is the man of
your dreams does not mean he would also fulfil the father role. So if we suppose
(this is speculation!) that he wouldn't be a good father, this still doesn't mean
that you two can't be together. Your question is about fatherhood, and the answer
is quite odd, so i'm not so sure about this one. The answer speaks of someone who
avoids someone else because their beliefs/values are different. Also of someone
who is ashamed of something. And finally that the standstill ends because the right
person is found - and then, ta-taaa 49 revolution, everything changes at a particular
time. Hidden line here is 25:3, someone's loss is another one's gain, a stranger
steals the cow of someone who thought he had the cow guaranteed (lol..!). And
next hidden line is 13:6 so i'm wondering if this person (a new guy!?) will actually
be a foreigner (fellowship at the frontier). It sounds to me like this XB guy doesn't
share your strong belief in having children? I hope you'll update us all if any charming
foreigner shows up!

I have to meditate on this a little bit. My instinct tells me that this answer will make more sense in hindsight (lol) cos right now the situation is quite animated in a variety of ways. I am surrounded by foreigners. I am currently living in a foreign country. So I could be THAT foreigner myself. Not sure how to look at it right now. When it comes to having a child with just anybody, the situation is actually the opposite. I find it is imperative to find the right person FOR ME first and then, if possible and both parties feel up to it, a product of love can be looked for. Not the other way around.

I am impressed by your interpretations. And hidden lines? Good God, I would not know where to start with those. I have a lot to learn still!! :rofl:

TD
 
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this answer will make more sense in hindsight (lol)

Yes that's how it goes most of the times! As about what i call hidden lines, i'm
sure there must be some better terminology, this is only what i call them, and
not everyone agrees with this take. But i find it helpful, so if you'd like to try
it out and see if you like it, here goes. Your answer is, eg, 12.1.3.6>49. You
start with 12:1, the first line. If only this line changed, the resulting hexagram
would be 25. But you don't stop here, as in your initial answer there was also
the 3rd line changing. So you take hex.25, and you look at the 3rd line of that
(the wanderer stealing the cow). Now if you only had 25:3, this would result in
hexagram 13. Again you don't stop here, as in your initial answer there was also
the 6th line changing. So you finally look at 13:6 (fellowship at the frontier). And,
funnily enough, if you only had 13:6 as your answer, the resulting hexagram
would be 49. So it's a bit as if you still have the same initial and resulting
hexagrams of your original answer, but you sort of arrive from one to the
other somewhat more 'internally' so to speak. I find this relevant and helpful
most of the times (not always), so you can have a go and see if it works for you.
 

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Yes that's how it goes most of the times! As about what i call hidden lines, i'm
sure there must be some better terminology, this is only what i call them, and
not everyone agrees with this take. But i find it helpful, so if you'd like to try
it out and see if you like it, here goes. Your answer is, eg, 12.1.3.6>49. You
start with 12:1, the first line. If only this line changed, the resulting hexagram
would be 25. But you don't stop here, as in your initial answer there was also
the 3rd line changing. So you take hex.25, and you look at the 3rd line of that
(the wanderer stealing the cow). Now if you only had 25:3, this would result in
hexagram 13. Again you don't stop here, as in your initial answer there was also
the 6th line changing. So you finally look at 13:6 (fellowship at the frontier). And,
funnily enough, if you only had 13:6 as your answer, the resulting hexagram
would be 49. So it's a bit as if you still have the same initial and resulting
hexagrams of your original answer, but you sort of arrive from one to the
other somewhat more 'internally' so to speak. I find this relevant and helpful
most of the times (not always), so you can have a go and see if it works for you.

WOW!! This is like a logical puzzle. I love it! Thanks for letting into this 'secret'. I will try this out in the future, too :bows:
 

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