missing money 11.1

[pammy]

My son is missing money....he instists that he counted it and placed it back into his wallet. 200 is missing.
I asked where is the money? 11.1
Any insights as to where we can find it?
Thank you

 

[pocossin]

Where can we find the missing money?
11.1 > 46

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Hexagram pictures: Clump of Grass and Altar

Overall judgment: The money may be is the vicinity of an outdoor monument or of a counter with plants.

Text:

11J
Peace. The small departs,
The great approaches.
Good fortune. Success.

What major life activity has your son been involved in recently?

11I
Heaven and earth unite: the image of Peace.
Thus the ruler
Divides and completes the course of heaven and earth;
He furthers and regulates the gifts of heaven and earth,
And so aids the people.

Has your son purchased gifts for anyone?

11.1
Nine at the beginning means:
When ribbon grass is pulled up, the sod comes with it.
Each according to his kind.
Undertakings bring good fortune.

Did the money fall out of the wallet when some was pull out to make a payment?

46J
Pushing Upward has supreme success.
One must see the great man.
Fear not.
Departure toward the south
Brings good fortune.

Has you son made an offering, donation, or deposit? Has he recently been in a southward direction from your home? Is there some person in authority whom he could ask?

 

[pammy]

Thank you! We are still looking for the money.
He counted it before going to bed last night.. and said he put it back into his wallet.
There was only 3 of us in the house.. him, myself and a friend of mine.. who was up very early this morn . and left before my son and I got up... the walet was laying on the computer table.
I had to ask... did X take the money... 62.4
Geez.. I hated asking that question
Anyway.. my son is now looking around every and all plants in and outside the house.

 

[pocossin]

Did X take the money?
62.4 > 15

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Hexagram pictures: Flying Bird and Cock

Overall judgment: Yes, the bird has flown with the money.

My reasoning is metaphysical, not forensic, based on resemblance to the casting. The early bird left the nest before you and your son were up. Money was taken from the wallet but not -- apparently -- the wallet itself, an indication of an opportunistic theft. Money is anonymous. X had means and opportunity; whether or not motive you know in your heart. Some people cannot resist temptation.

Text:

62J
Preponderance of the Small. Success.
Perseverance furthers.
Small things may be done; great things should not be done.
The flying bird brings the message:
It is not well to strive upward,
It is well to remain below.
Great good fortune.

Be more careful about guests and your personal security. Guests with sticky fingers are not at all uncommon, judging by newspaper advice columns.

62I
Thunder on the mountain:
The image of Preponderance of the Small.
Thus in his conduct the superior man gives preponderance to reverence.
In bereavement he gives preponderance to grief.
In his expenditures he gives preponderance to thrift.

Outer conduct is an expression of inner nature.

62.4
Nine in the fourth place means:
No blame. He meets him without passing by.
Going brings danger. One must be on guard.
Do not act. Be constantly persevering.

"One must be on guard."

15J
Modesty creates success.
The superior man carries things through.

You should ask X to return the money.

Before I was born my parents took in a teenager from a broken home. My father, while unloading groceries, left $10 on the kitchen table. The money was gone before he returned. This was the Depression era when $10 was a week's pay for an adult. When questioned the teenager returned the money. He himself told me the story 50 years after the event. He was grateful to my parents for not holding this yielding to temptation against him.

 

[ginnie]

62.4

I don't think so. This line means to me to stop thinking of that person as having anything to do with the theft. Not to pursue this any further in that direction.

11.1 > 14

It'll be a step by step process to find that money.

 

[pammy]

oh my.... I did question the guest.. but did not accuse . Just asked if they saw the wallet.
The answer was odd...." yes. but i did not know who it belong to".
Now.. there is only 1 male in the house... sooooo.. to me the guest should of known who's it was..lol
I told the guest.. that the money was to fix my son's car.. so if they took it.. hopefully guilt will override.
still lookin for the money..
I will keep you updated
Thank you

 

[willowfox]

Line 11.1 suggests that someone took the money out of the wallet, "the grass is pulled up and the soil comes with it", and then "undertakings bring good fortune".

So, someone picks up the wallet, opens it, pull out the notes, and they have just made $200 for a minutes work.

 

[willowfox]

Line 62.4 is saying what happened, and therefore is very telling.

"He meets him without passing by". X sees the money and takes it.

But in so doing X has put themselves in danger and now needs to be extremely careful and quietly do and say nothing.

Hex 15 X takes what they consider as too much because they have too little.

This is how I would read this, so make of it what you will.

Otherwise, if X didn't take it then your son is lying.

 

[pammy]

my gut must be saying something about x.. that was my first thought...
I hope my friend dd not take it...
wierd that my friend gave me a gift of blank dvd's when saw later in the day... usually dont get random gifts.

My son... is capable of lying.. but I doubt it in this case.. he was not a happy camper..lol
will update

 

[heylise]

The remainder of this thread has been moved to moderation:

http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=10600
Argument in "missing money 11.1"

 

[gato]

11.1 i think is the describing the situation... money taken out of the wallet.

62.4 you will get the money back, or you will find them... just "Do not act. Be constantly persevering."

 

[willowfox]

Posted by heylise
I agree that you cannot say, based on the Yi, that someone is a thief. Apart from the indeed thin proof, you pass a verdict. To a querent it is as if a judge has spoken, for many an oracle has the same power.
For the law "conduct which suggests guilt" is no proof at all. Lots of people have been jailed or worse for less than that and I am happy that those times are (for a big part) behind us.

A question was asked by the querent about "missing" money. There are only 3 people in the house. The querent, she didn't touch it. The son and the guest, therefore we can say that a certain person took that money can't we. A thief steals things, well they used to.


I will go with the IC thank you very much.

 

[heylise]

I cannot name the times I witnessed something "stolen" or "lost" which suddenly turned up somewhere. There are not only people who steal, there are also people with bad memories.

 

[Trojina]

A question was asked by the querent about "missing" money. There are only 3 people in the house. The querent, she didn't touch it. The son and the guest, therefore we can say that a certain person took that money can't we. A thief steals things, well they used to.


I will go with the IC thank you very much.

No 'we' cannot. The IC has not said 'money was stolen', you have, it is only your interpretation. You are entitled to your interpretation but don't make out you are the voice of the IC.



Why did you quote something Lise said in the moderation area here ? Lise is correct when she says for some an answer from an Oracle is as if a judge has spoken...you have no right IMO to claim the IC has found someone guilty of theft ...well you may have the right to voice it but don't be suprised when others raise objection to that.

 

[willowfox]

No 'we' cannot. The IC has not said 'money was stolen', youhave, it is only your interpretation. You are entitled to your interpretation but don't make out you are the voice of the IC.



Lise is correct when she says for some an answer from an Oracle is as if a judge has spoken...you have no right IMO to claim the IC has found someone guilty of theft ...well you may have the right to voice it but don't be suprised when others raise objection to that.

Yes, I do have the right to voice my opinion of what I believe the IC is saying, so that's settled.

But I am the voice of the IC, or at least one of the voices, so I say what I see and leave it to the querent to decide for herself as to what to do.

Some of us make judgements everyday based on data received, and the IC can indeed be a part of that received data.

 

[willowfox]

No 'we' cannot. The IC has not said 'money was stolen', you have, it is only your interpretation.

Then the fairies took it did they, or did the money slip through the "stargate"?

 

[Trojina]

Then the fairies took it did they, or did the money slip through the "stargate"?

how many times does somone need to say that the money may simply have been lost and not stolen by anyone

 

[heylise]

Can't you people talk to the querent here, and to each other in moderation?

 

[Trojina]

Yes, I do have the right to voice my opinion of what I believe the IC is saying, so that's settled.

But I am the voice of the IC, or at least one of the voices, so I say what I see and leave it to the querent to decide for herself as to what to do.

Some of us make judgements everyday based on data received, and the IC can indeed be a part of that received data.

 

[willowfox]

how many times does somone need to say that the money may simply have been lost and not stolen by anyone

And how many times does someone need to say that some people can't resist a bit of hard cash, and therefore steal it.

More things are stolen from shops everyday than are lost.

 

[gato]

some of us think of Yi as a computer which always have a relevant, straight to the subject answer for our question. That is simply not true. One can get relevant answers but for that a whole lot more is needed. I have seen a lot of rubbish between the answers and I have seen astonishing answers ( like everybody else here, i suppose ). For me usually it describes the situation and best action to take. Deciding what is rubbish and what is worthy is yet another challenge. In this case 11.1 just describes the situation, it is not pointing to anyone.

 

[Trojina]

but hang on in the moderation thread stemming from this one Pocossin says there is now 'forensic evidence' of finger prints ? I'd be grateful if someone could direct me to the part of the thread where the fingerprints on the wallet have been found and proven to be that of the friend...cos i can't seem to see that part

 

[maremaria]

I asked where is the money? 11.1

I had to ask... did X take the money... 62.4

Hi Pammy,

Your second reading might say yes he took it but also (because of hex 15) that don’t make any assumption and weight things clear-minded. I can read both in that line.

About the first reading, if I take it literally, I would add to what others say , stairs or something like that , a image I have for 46. But , just in case the answer is was not supposed to be literal, then this incident perhaps is interconnected with something else like roots are with soil.

Both 46 and 15 talk about careful small steps. Usually in the relating hex, in my readings I see the crux of the matter and in lines some details , guidance etc.

maria

 

[arabella]

Hex 46 would indicate to me, step by step, [perhaps in relation to knowing for a fact that the money was in the wallet; perhaps in respect of investigating where the money is now] be absolutely sure the money was in the wallet, by the computer and couldn't be anywhere else.

Hex 62.4 says to me that you need to be circumspect in what you do now about locating/recovering the money. For some reason, it isn't wise right now to make a great issue of the loss. If in your heart of hearts you suspect the person who stayed with you in your home [and none of the rest of us know that person, nor the exact circumstances] then even in this case, 62.4 would say to me, take your time. Think carefully what you gain or lose by confronting them or implying they may have the money. For whatever reason, the Yi I believe is advising caution, waiting and not doing anything specific. Just remain watchful and I believe the truth of the matter will become apparent without your intervention. Hex 15 says to me that diligence and calm is the best policy, and the truth will "out" eventually.

I can't think how many times things have disappeared at my house and I have hated myself for thinking somebody else might have taken them. I turn the place inside out because I can't stand that idea. I'd do anything first to be completely sure the money isn't lost another way. These things are nearly always found. In my case I've only really lost something once, because a cleaning lady broke a decoration and, afraid I'd be upset, put it in a bag in the garage, where I found it. We had a long conversation about please telling me, always, that there is a problem. I'd rather help with any problem than suspect a friend, or even an acquaintance.

 

[sooo]

In case Pammy is still around...

I've been rummaging around in the 11.1 toy box, looking for clues which may have been overlooked. I've found possible connections to the idea of entitlement, mainly from Bradford's commentary on the line, particularly (among other comments) "even if one is alone and peculiar, use the net of connections here: friends can help friends from oceans or eons away." This gives rise to the possible element that the friend felt entitled to share the possessions that were made physically available to him or her. "What's yours is mine; after all, we are friends."

Or, if this were a applied to the son, which I believe Pam has indicated may sometimes be less than forthright, he may have felt entitled to draw from the family reserve because of his alleged loss. However, I doubt the likeliness of it.

Of course there are other possibilities, such as misplacing the money, having it fall out of the wallet, or being beamed up by alien spacecraft, but looking at Pammy's earlier comment,

We are still looking for the money.
He counted it before going to bed last night.. and said he put it back into his wallet.
There was only 3 of us in the house.. him, myself and a friend of mine.. who was up very early this morn . and left before my son and I got up... the walet was laying on the computer table.

...the odds of misplacement seem awfully slim.

This leads me to suspect (not conclude) that the friend justified their entitlement to the money in order to further (46) their personal economy. Maybe he/she justified it as just a loan, one that likely would never be paid back, except perhaps by a token gift to ease their conscience.