Muay thai fighting prospects Hex 43.4.5 > 11

[Osenia]

Hello there,

I have not been logged in for a while and I am glad to be back to the website to finally ask for help for a reading that is not about a particular love interest, well but it is of sorts...about my love for Muay Thai sport. Over the last year I have become incredibly invested in it, kinda finding myself in it and fighting is something I would love to do to an extend. The problem is that I am way past the age where I should start it (well not too late to have fights) but not many people start in their 30 and go on competing, I have also had a very nasty sciatica issues putting a break on it, let alone the whole virus situation. Yet I am still dreaming of entering the ring.

So I aske: What are my future prospects with Muay Thai fighting?

Hex 43.4.5. > 11

Maybe I am seeing what i wish to see, but I thought the answers were somehow accurate. I guess the situation now lets say indicated by 43 is sort of difficult, no access to practice sport properly, but I guess since it somehow speaks of sharing - maybe means paying for the gym or the trainers, I am slightly confused by it.

Yet the changing lines I thought that it suggested to work hard on my goals, that is to train, yet to not forget that I have other occupations and interests. It is easy to get all consumed by it, so I read it as practice but give myself some time off too. (speaking of 5th line).Line four just seem to suggest to continue training by following a leader (a coach?). To an extend I am very stubborn and I am pushing and drilling myself and currently I am mostly working by myself and it is a bit ridiculous with questions "whats the point of it?".

Would greatly appreciate other people's insights into it, as I am yet again puzzled of what I should uncode here!

Thank you very much!!

 

[Liselle]

Overall I think this means it's fine to go ahead until you can't or don't want to, but also think hard about what's a ridiculous extreme and don't push it that far. Evaluate from time to time, as you're already doing.

Hexagrams, 43 to 11 - I think they mean this will sort itself out in the fullness of time, and you don't have to decide everything right now. Flow along (11) - the flow itself will decide for you.

I think line 4 says "try and you'll find out." I don't think Yi's telling you directly what will happen. Hexagram 43 is about making a declaration - I think the reading means your prospects will declare themselves if you "lead a sheep" out to meet them.

(The story behind that, quoting Hilary's commentary, is "...long-term decisions become credible when they are made in actions, not words. Rather than talking about it, it’s better simply to let your actions speak, like the man who leads out a sheep to show his surrender."

But I don't think "surrender" means "give up now" in your case. Sorry this is confusing. I think it just means that no matter what Yi would tell you right this minute ("Hear words"), the only way for you to actually feel happy about what happens ("hear words, no trust," and "no regrets") is to go ahead until you can't or don't want to anymore. Your body or ambition/motivation will make this announcement to you.)

Line 5 - I think you've got it here:

Yet the changing lines I thought that it suggested to work hard on my goals, that is to train, yet to not forget that I have other occupations and interests. It is easy to get all consumed by it, so I read it as practice but give myself some time off too. (speaking of 5th line).Line four just seem to suggest to continue training by following a leader (a coach?). To an extend I am very stubborn and I am pushing and drilling myself and currently I am mostly working by myself and it is a bit ridiculous with questions "whats the point of it?".

I have a hard time with this line, but I think it means if you think this is worth pursuing, then pursue it, but not to an extreme ("Move to the centre, no mistake"). For instance you probably don't want to injure yourself severely. So how much is worth doing? Do that, but not more.

Edited - since I can't explain line 5 very well, I'll quote Hilary's commentary. Don't know if you have her book.

The nutritious, healing amaranth grows on the high ground by itself; nobody planted it there. Although you didn’t intend or design it, there is something of value available – but not within easy reach. Is it worthwhile to go after it? You are well placed to decide how best to use your energy. What would be the balanced action?

 

[Liselle]

Oh, and I'm not sure how relevant the coronavirus is to the reading. It's a temporary shutdown (granted we don't know how temporary), but do you think it has a lot to do with this in the long run?

 

[Osenia]

Oh, and I'm not sure how relevant the coronavirus is to the reading. It's a temporary shutdown (granted we don't know how temporary), but do you think it has a lot to do with this in the long run?

Hello and thank you so much for taking your time to elaborate on this. So to answer your question first - yes the shut down has a big impact on this (well I mean its not huge in a grant scale of things) - because gyms and clubs closed, matches cancelled, some people say that overall it is going to have a big impact on the whole traditional art of Muay Thai in Thailand. Anyways on a personal scale it means that i can't train with people or equipment that i would normally do, making it difficult and obviously there are no matches so I cannot test myself in the ring.

Overall I take the Iching answer somehow very relevant to my question. I think leading a sheep still refers also to listening to coaches (i travel a lot so i am part of a few different gyms in the places i normally am) and be patient with improving. I think I read it as a whole saying something along the lines continue as long as it is giving you something, it might not be visible now but if work towards it calmy, patiently, follow 'the leaders' in this case - I will get somewhere.

I think with Line 5 and Hillary's quote it makes me think of this martial art (or i guess any) giving something of so much value - it is essentially often a difficult and painful, but still the road of getting to know yourself and learning how to face adversity. To quote one fighter: "the ring is like a gate to another universe, you don't know how you will come out, but you certainly not be the person you were before" and I really agree with it. Think maybe that is implied by "there is something of value available – but not within easy reach" - it is certainly not easy and both when i could train normally I would question the exaustion, time it takes, injuries and the worth of it (I guess now its more like what's the point of practicing it by myself?) by the value that it gives through it - for me - is worth it.

Anyways, I feel like I have gone way over the acceptable length of comment here I take it as an encouragement to continue, certainly do not stop (give up), and if it is not right this will be clear through time?

Side note: I have a personality trait of taking something to the extreme - so I am also seeing this as telling me to relax this a little bit.

 

[Liselle]

Anyways, I feel like I have gone way over the acceptable length of comment here

You haven't (I, for one, can babble endlessly).

Something I didn't mention - I wonder if the first two lines are about your sciatica?

'Buttocks without flesh,
Moving awkwardly now'

 

[moss elk]

Martial arts is a subjecr where I have some expertise. (Hapkido, Aikido, & Tai Chi Chuan)

I see line 4 as, as we say,
having had your 4$$ kicked.

With line 4, related to Muy Thai,
I would advise that it is a brutal
martial/sport with the possibility of very serious injuries as with westetn boxing, but in addition to brain damage one can also get maimed by lower body injuries like this:

▪not for sensitive audiences▪

 

[Osenia]

You haven't (I, for one, can babble endlessly).

Something I didn't mention - I wonder if the first two lines are about your sciatica?

'Buttocks without flesh,
Moving awkwardly now'

haha oh dear! I didn't even think of this connection! But maybe! Tho it is almost too literal to be true

 

[Osenia]

Martial arts is a subjecr where I have some expertise. (Hapkido, Aikido, & Tai Chi Chuan)

I see line 4 as, as we say,
having had your 4$$ kicked.

With line 4, related to Muy Thai,
I would advise that it is a brutal
martial/sport with the possibility of very serious injuries as with westetn boxing, but in addition to brain damage one can also get maimed by lower body injuries like this:

▪not for sensitive audiences▪

Yes, it is a sport with a severe possibility of injuries, like boxing and I am not ignoring the brutality fact, but it is a frequent focus on the negatives of the sport, whereas there are an incredible amount of positives. Injuries do happen and in the fight of course they will happen, but majority of the cases are not like in the video displayed. To be honest, I find this comment and posting of the video slightly patronising, since I am asking advice on the reading and not judgement on the martial art choice. No sport taken on a professional or even amateur level is actually 'good' for you - many sports require dealing with injuries and training your body beyond pain. As an example one can watch the newly released series called "Cheer" - something that is pleasing to the eye and hasn't got such a stigma attached to them as boxing or muay thai - causes very series injuries to the ones undertaking it.

 

[moss elk]

To be honest, I find this comment and posting of the video slightly patronising, since I am asking advice on the reading and not judgement on the martial art choice.

Well! good morning!
First, I have more experience than you do with 30 years of practice and study and contemplation and research and evaluation, and have friends who are masters of various arts.
Patronize comes from Latin patronus "protector, master," related to pater "father." So if you patronize a person, you talk down to them like a father might do to his child or a master to his apprentice.
So yes, It was appropriate for me to patronize you, in order to protect and guide you. It was done out of love. If you find it unpalatable, that is an obstacle you'll have to overcome for your own growth.

Second, you would benefit from considering that your reading and the subject matter are intertwined in a way where it is impossible to seperate them. To not consider the subject (muy thai), is to not consider the reading. The reading itself mentioned the brutality...
I didn't invent it.

Apologies for all of the typos,
I'm posting from a smartphone while wearing nitrile gloves.

P.S. It is true that I do have a very strong bias against combat-sports because they do not nurture health or character or virtue and too often create criminal thugs like connor mcgregor.

 

[Osenia]

P.S. It is true that I do have a very strong bias against combat-sports because they do not nurture health or character or virtue and too often create criminal thugs like connor mcgregor.

Well, it is an assumption to make that I do not have that experience in different martial arts or sports in general such as you do or assuming my age. I find your assertion of knowledge or experience and the desire to as you say 'guide me out of love' slightly problematic - firstly as a female who in many aspects is being told which sport to undertake and which not (particularly because of its' assumed brutality) and secondly I feel that the protection comes not as a suggestion, but as an assertion based on your personal opinion of the sport.

I am not arguing about brutality, which is as you say was visible within the reading (and I am not as good at understanding the reading, so I have no arguments towards it), it is considered as a combat sport, combat sports are hard and violent, but the violence in here is different. The violence in here comes from a mutual agreement and respect and teaches you how to withstand adversity. Traditional Muay Thai in general is in line with Buddhistic principles and whereas in the west is being seen as purely "i am causing the pain to somebody" through Buddhistic principles it is seen as "I am able to withstand the pain caused to me by somebody". Having suffered real violence where my will is taken away I would strictly make distinction here.

I also feel your last statement is especially strong as precisely it comes across not as your opinion, but as a superior statement, if you think it doesn't nurture health, character or virtue so it be, but saying from experience and experience of many many other - it does. There are many positive role models who are fighters and incredible human beings working with charities, youth development and so on. To pick a person and suggest this sport is producing thugs is just ludicrous. Its like saying that football is producing sexual abusers. There are bad eggs in all wakes of life and in all undertakings no need to take it out on a particular discipline.

 

[moss elk]

There's your school spirit.

The first art I studied was also a striking art (& ju jitsu hybrid) called Hapkido.
Teacher was raised in a monestary.
We did not compete because there were many lethal techniques; neck breaks, blows to heart & chin...etc

The mostly-striking arts are bad for long term health. There are many 50 & 60 year olds who suffer from terrible arthritis caused by the arts. (I hold the same low opinion regarding gymnastics and cheerleading for the same reason: they aren't good long term for the practioners health) Conversly, a master of Tai Chi Chaun or Aikido or Qi Gong or Ju Jitsu can kick butt into their 80's and beyond, while enjoying excellent health.


Hopefully you will get some kind of benefit from the sport, with minimal injury.
Best of luck to you.

 

[Osenia]

There's your school spirit.

Thank you for your comment, appreciate the understanding and good wishes! Not sure I understood what you meant there's is your school spirit, but doesn't matter that much.

Well, funny you mentioned gymnastics - my mum was a professional gymnast back in the day, but she has to quit it to due her mother's pressure to pursue certain studies. That pressure probably wen't onto me to then do dance, which I really didn't like and wanted to in-fact do martial arts, but it was pretty much out of question for me (well karate at that time ). It took me 30 years to get to that point.

Anyways, in my case, I am way too late to jump into it where I would make it a professional career out of it or anywhere close to it, but would love to compete a few times on the amateur level.

 

[moss elk]

"school spirit" is like a cross between
'fighting spirit' and 'community allegience',
(it wasn't a slight)