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so i spent a great night with a friend, whom with we've just stupidly become lovers. day after i asked about the consequences of our actions and got 25.2.5 > 38. line 2 initially calmed me down, as i thought immediately of no yield from uncultivated land... but then it actually started doing my head in. am i reading it right? or could it be about unexpected harvest from ground that hasn't been even really plowed? :duh:

then the advice to not use medicinal herbs from line 5 started freaking me out. while some opposition (38) in the sudden relationship change was actually to be expected, after the unexpected...
other take on it, 25.2 is about how his visit simply took an unexpected turn - we went straight to bed, instead of just smoking, as initially planned (25.5), which simply resulted in separating later (we both need to take some time apart, i guess).

anyway, what i mostly had in mind though when asking the question was the chances of pregnancy. or std's. no use of medicine, tells me i should be fine regarding the latter. the illness could well just be falling in love again. i feel ok about 38. but i'm not on a pill... it will only make sense to do a test for the first in about a week, and the second in about 4.
in the meantime i have to 5 or 52, but it's not easy. so i've been nagging for more clarity...

chances / pregnant 6.3.4.5 > 18

freaky. especially having the idea of detoxing coming to mind and some texts describing 3 days before and after as the journey of the seed... and the stages of conflict can very much relate to our interaction that night...

should i be smoking??? 51 uc

ha-ha... :cautious:

clarity about possible pregnancy 28.6 > 44

i'm getting over my head, it's no use sticking to this idea, i'm fine (not pregnant)?

consequences in like a year 42.3 > 37

One is enriched through unfortunate events.
bringing increase to the family?! :eep:

my future in 1 year 44.5.6 > 32

aaaaaaaa :hissy:

yes, right? 1.1.3.5 > 64

no? 1 uc.

wtf 47 uc.

great, i trapped myself in this conversation...

am i? 21 uc.


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as a friend, so i would understand, am i? 1.2.3.5.6 > 51


aha.

what is the shock about 14.5 > 1

funny...

what attitude should i best take about the possible pregnancy 22.3.4.6 > 51

chances of getting pregnant from that sleepover 26 uc

what to think of all this 53.1 > 37 🤦‍♀️
 

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I’ve never had good luck with the I Ching when I ask too many questions about too many aspects at once. I think your last question is the one to focus on. It’s telling you, I think, that there is some trouble or gossip ( perhaps within yourself) but that things will settle down and work out.

Legge: In line one the geese appear for the first time in the season approaching the shore. Then comes the real subject of the line -- she is magnetic in a dynamic place and without a proper correlate above. The difficulty and danger of her situation are seen as the result of circumstances -- the young officer has not brought it on herself.
 
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Sorry, but I can't really help out here. As you said, too many questions, and you have probably invoked at least a third of the hexagrams in the Yi. I'd be confused too with that much information. Maybe others can decipher it however.
 

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I think 53.1 - 37 is advising you to assume you are pregnant, not necessarily because you are but because such an attitude will be helpful in guiding your actions until you know 100% for sure whether or not you are. For example when one assumes they are pregnant they stop drinking alcohol and taking any recreational drugs and make a point of being super pleasant to the possible father-to-be.
 

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Tiny pecking motions in the direction of the first reading... 25 and 38, Without Entanglement and Opposing/Estrangement, seem like decent hexagrams to get about things you don't want, if Yi was reading your mind and addressing your worry. "Without entanglement" seems like it could be a good description of "consequence of action?" = nothing.

I don't have ideas about the moving lines, which isn't helpful since they're obviously crucial. It could be misleading only to go by the hexagrams. Hilary uses the analogy that the hexagrams are like the map, and the moving lines are like pins in the map. So, here's a big desert - but you're at an oasis, hooray! It can make a big difference. In this case - your moving lines sound comforting, superficially, and they seem to go nicely with the hexagrams (your reading really doesn't sound like a desert-oasis conflict to me, for what that's worth) - but why is Yi saying those things to you? I don't know. Can you think of anything?

I'm glad you're thinking of some "other takes," as you put it, because I've found Yi can be very literal with questions like this. I'll be worried about the consequences of something I've done (with specific scary-prospect-x in mind), and I'll ask Yi, "Consequences of this?" and Yi will very simply tell me what the consequence is, blithely ignoring my panic. More than once the answer's been something like, "Well, you'll worry a lot" or "You'll waste the rest of the day on this," or "You'll learn not to do that again, now won't you?" or something, which has nothing to do with what I'm specifically scared about. Learning that pattern has helped.

Of course, scary-prospect-x could actually be the consequence, but maybe the wider you can cast your net, the more likely you are to catch something that clicks into place as the right interpretation. Otherwise...I mean, trying to think about your reading only in terms of scary-prospect ("yes" or "no") can result in a death spiral if it was never about scary-prospect at all. (I hope that makes sense 💫.) (And I very much hope this all works out :hug:.)
 

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After all that - I just read things in WikiWing, and maybe there's an interpretation that really does address your worry directly. Important note: I am very very very unsure about all of this.

Quoting Hilary in WikiWing, hopefully not out of context:

25.2
(from Steve Marshall) Without ploughing, you reap; without clearing land, you plough

25.5
Disentangling zhi affliction, and disentangling zhi Hexagram 21, Biting Through.
[...]
This is done without intervening with medicines: these imposed solutions fail to respect the natural process working itself out here.
[...]
No need to go in search of remedies. Instead you need to return to health, which is something your body already remembers.

Do you think all of that might sound like you getting your period? You didn't say anything about that; not sure what to read into that omission, one way or the other.

Of course even if that's true, it would only have to do with pregnancy, not STDs. People can't naturally fight those off, can they?


But then, on the other hand, you got a number of 44s and 1s. (Really a lot of 1s.) Pregnancy imagery, creation.

You got 1 for both "Yes, right?" and "No" - hexagram 1 can mean something that never stops (I've gotten it in unchanging form to tell me get myself moving as soon as I wake up, instead of sitting around). So maybe 1 to 64 could mean something that, for all its forward movement, never gets across? Also 1 is the very beginning, and 64 is the very end (of the I Ching) - so this goes directly from beginning to end?

Line 1 - dragon submerged. Other authors translate it as "Submerged dragon. No employ" (LiSe) or "no use" (not sure who) - a dragon is there, but it can't be employed or used. That doesn't sound like pregnancy.

Line 3 - you'll be nervous about this

Line 5 - dragon flies to heaven. Again, maybe getting your period?

The lines sound like a story, don't they? Including the euphemistic "alertness" in the middle.

1uc for "No?" - maybe something like, "Legume, what did I just say"?

Repeat 📣: not sure about any of this.
 

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...started wondering if 23 might be a better fit for getting your period, and then thought maybe with 38 there, could it possibly mean you have an underlying infertility issue you don't know about?
 
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Do you think all of that might sound like you getting your period? You didn't say anything about that; not sure what to read into that omission, one way or the other.

unfortunately far from it, and if i get period math right, although the chances were very small, it was during the window that shifts, that is pre-ovulation (pardon if i'm too direct)...

...started wondering if 23 might be a better fit for getting your period, and then thought maybe with 38 there, could it possibly mean you have an underlying infertility issue you don't know about?

did you mean 25? either way not sure where this interpretation would come from... i certainly hope not.

so far i find rosada's advice closest to what i feel Yi's been telling me among other readings (i also asked why am i believing this and got 49.1.6 > 33, which kinda tells me i just need to bring about some revolution regarding how i deal with myself, so rosada's comment is right on point here) - basically it's a great opportunity for me to start taking my life more seriously, no matter the actual outcome of the sleepover situation (gotta love Yi's teasing sense of humor)...

but reading all your responses definitely took some edge of the initial scare, so thank you for all the wisdom shared. i shall update with results in a couple of weeks (+/-) but in the meantime i welcome any interpretations of these casts.
 

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did you mean 25? either way not sure where this interpretation would come from... i certainly hope not.
No, I meant 23. Getting one's period seems more like a 23 thing to me - a natural stripping away or removing from. 25 is more disentanglement in the sense of "this isn't mine; it has nothing to do with me" - and what really caused me to change my mind is the relating hexagram 38, which is active opposition or estrangement, seeing something as "alien." Reading a bunch of stuff, partly in WikiWing, I got the vague idea it could mean that any possible pregnancy wouldn't take root, would be rejected by your body. I wondered about miscarriage for a while, but some of the other readings, the 1 to 64 one for instance, made me lean more towards it not even getting that far. (But only lean - I mean, there's nothing about any of this that's not guessing.)

Of course all this could be off on the wrong track entirely - maybe the readings are all addressing your state of mind, and coping, in which case I like Rosada's, too. But what you were actually asking about was pregnancy, and maybe Yi was answering the questions quite literally. Hard to tell.
 
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a 23 thing to me - a natural stripping away or removing from
Except I just remembered a hexagram 23 reading I got once when I had a problem with terrible TV reception - turned out the television's digital converter box and my internet modem were interfering with each other because they were too close together. As soon as I moved the modem a few feet farther away, everything was fine. It was clear enough advice, to "separate from," but there was nothing particularly natural about the removal.

I still think a period is more 23 than 25, but the television example is confusing. Unless I'm not seeing something right (very possible).
 
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i asked about the consequences of our actions 25.2.5 > 38
This wasn't an incident of cultivation, i.e. it didn't come out of a solid basis. It was an incident of hunting and opportunism. It will bring heart-ache or in any case some minor illness. You won't form a relationship.

chances / pregnant 6.3.4.5 > 18

No you're not pregnant but you'll probably need to see the doctor about something.

clarity about possible pregnancy 28.6 > 44
You're super hormonal and this means that if you seek out unprotected sex at this stage, you'll get pregnant soon.

consequences in like a year 42.3 > 37

It won't work out between you, and that's to your benefit. Find someone else.

my future in 1 year 44.5.6 > 32

If you continue as you are now, there will be a lot of sex between you and you'll get pregnant. He, however, will not want anything more than sex and arguments. The situation will continue as described, with a possible abortion because he won't want the child.

what attitude should i best take about the possible pregnancy 22.3.4.6 > 51

You're in love, he's playing you for a fool, it will come to nothing and you'll feel shock. So your attitude about pregnancy should be, do you want to get pregnant with a guy who won't be there with you tomorrow?

chances of getting pregnant from that sleepover 26 uc

No.
 

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Funny situation legume! I try to read some of your casts:

i asked about the consequences of our actions and got 25.2.5 > 38
You haven't been in any romantic relationship, the love scene happened all of a sudden, then the melancholic romantic feelings will pass and you'll be non-lovers again.

chances / pregnant 6.3.4.5 > 18
The conditions haven't been prepared for the impregnation, no.

clarity about possible pregnancy 28.6 > 44
Again, no; there has been "too much of something" to let you get pregnant.

consequences in like a year 42.3 > 37
There will be difficulty, but for good. Maybe you'll come back to previous familiar conditions afterwards?

my future in 1 year 44.5.6 > 32
You'll be tempted to have a sexual relationship, it brings you an unexpected gift (in any forms), sometimes you'll feel too horny but no blame, and the situations continues.

yes, right? 1.1.3.5 > 64
I say no, there's possibility to create a new life but you're not there yet.

no? 1 uc.
No. The creative power is there without changing anything.

what to think of all this 53.1 > 37
You've approached each other in a controversial way for the first time, but no great mistake. Things will turn to their familiar situation.

Good luck!
 

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Legume, I just realized that I think I got caught up the worry, and assumed there was a real chance of pregnancy - but then thought the readings were saying no, and then started down a path of why and how that could be and landed on things like getting your period and possible infertility (eek).

Ahem. It could just simply mean you're not ovulating. :duh:

I'm sorry. I wasn't thinking. It's ridiculous and utterly irresponsible to conclude from Yi readings that a person might be infertile. I should have stopped with "I think the readings say you're not pregnant," end of sentence, and not speculated further. Apologies.
 
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gosh, it's been a while. first of all, apologies for the long silence, i've moved, first jobs then places and initial lack of internet at home led me to change some of my habits and general lifestyle i guess... i didn't feel comfortable posting here while at work and it gave me time for myself, often with Yi, but then outside of the forum.

good news, i didn't get pregnant, all is fine and dandy!

thank you for all the support, it was a really stressful time and i appreciate each reply i got from you.

now that the worldwide situation forced me to be home and online after all, i figured might as well openly try to analyse what I Ching was actually trying to tell me back then.

consequences 25.2.5 > 38

you guys were spot on, this whole thing was indeed quite impulsive, for the time it happened mutual, but soon after we had a falling out. he wanted to stay friends, i however didn't see there's much to base this friendship on, so basically, we're not in touch anymore. i do feel though it affected both of us (we both got mildly hurt in the process i believe), as often with 38 i get a feeling more of a separation than opposition, tho the latter definitely fits.

then some of those casts still don't make perfect sense to me, but as explained before, the general message I feel Yi was trying to give me was that of changing my attitude and habits, that pertains to 25.5 or 6 changing to 18 for example or as discussed earlier. i wouldn't say i really listened to Yi's advice, as some of the changes brought about happened due to other circumstances and with little intervention on my part, but regarding that situation and that particular person, even though our connection didn't get far, everything turned out for the best i think.

Legume, I just realized that I think I got caught up the worry

apologies to have got you worried and thanks so much for sharing your insights! i got mostly confused as the interpreations you gave were for hex 23 which was never a cast in this thread...

hope you're all doing well and keeping yourselves safe, thanks once again for being patient enough to read through my temporary drama and for all your answers :)
 

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Nice to see you, and I'm very glad to hear things are okay! (Well, except for the current mess as you noted.)

But I am profoundly sorry for the hash I made of your reading and this thread. The 23 stuff was just me digging myself deeper into a hole, please ignore it. :paperbag: )
 

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