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My next steps to get what I want 59 .2 rel 20
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um, I will try to reply to myself..it seems to me..59 its something about "standing by him" and forgetting me..it is about fogetting my desires and supporting him , till he find his way, hopefully back to me..on the right way..it is about "dispersing " any inner behaviour that could be a barrier towards stayinh close to him..Kind of dispersing thoughts about what I want to achieve but keep acting compassionate will probably will condude to "gathering" that is what I want..I think it means I have to avoid confrontations, to keep approaching without expecting nothing, but giving..because I should have in mind that if I start thinking I am doing this because I want to get this other..It will be wrong for what I want..I then should go to look inside of me and act with all of good I can..it is the only opportunity I have..
I wonder if 20 here means that he is observing what I am doing, he is paying attention to how I am approaching him and what I am saying (I dont know that because I have sent emails, we cant communicate in any other way now) kind of that his reaction will be according to mine? or ?
I wonder if 20 here means that he is observing what I am doing, he is paying attention to how I am approaching him and what I am saying (I dont know that because I have sent emails, we cant communicate in any other way now) kind of that his reaction will be according to mine? or ?
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Get in there! Rescue the situation & Grab your chance!
(((((((Lily)))))))
(I've amended this!! sorry for any confusion!!)
wilhelm:-
Lise:- 59.2
lily is this gentleman communicating with you? Or you are seperated from him and you perhaps need to accept this and find support. It makes a big difference to the interpretation of the line I think. The line still says to dissolve these obstructions between you, now if your mutually communicating but having misunderstandings that would be a good thing to do, if he isn't communicating you may need to save yourself and hurry to what supports you- I agree with Trojan on that score (see below)
It also suggests you need to obtain an unobstructed outlook on the situation, sit back and really see past the obsticals that are currently in your way and decide whether its worth pursuing. This brings us to your relating hex 20- Overview the situation again and see where you stand. Things will either improve or they won't. I think this is saying get in there and don't procastinate. Once you take a step you will see things a lot more clearly! Grab your chance now and this will release your regret over the situation (Lise 59.2)
(((((((Lily)))))))
(I've amended this!! sorry for any confusion!!)wilhelm:-
Lise:- 59.2
lily is this gentleman communicating with you? Or you are seperated from him and you perhaps need to accept this and find support. It makes a big difference to the interpretation of the line I think. The line still says to dissolve these obstructions between you, now if your mutually communicating but having misunderstandings that would be a good thing to do, if he isn't communicating you may need to save yourself and hurry to what supports you- I agree with Trojan on that score (see below)
It also suggests you need to obtain an unobstructed outlook on the situation, sit back and really see past the obsticals that are currently in your way and decide whether its worth pursuing. This brings us to your relating hex 20- Overview the situation again and see where you stand. Things will either improve or they won't. I think this is saying get in there and don't procastinate. Once you take a step you will see things a lot more clearly! Grab your chance now and this will release your regret over the situation (Lise 59.2)
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correct me if Im wrong but didn't Lily get 23.4 when she asked if the relationship was over ? Whichever way you look at it 23.4 isn't a great omen is it...
if the signs from the outer reality don't look good, ie he doesn't initiate contact etc and Lily is trying to figure ways to 'get him back' then I'd be inclined to see 59.2 indicating not that she should try to save the relationship...but that she should save herself, be kind to herself by going to that which usually supports her. I think with 59.2 its not a time for seeking support outside of that you which you know. At least I've always found it to be about turning to that which you regard as a faithful, tried and tested sourse of support when all else around you seems to be falling apart (59).
Maybe Lily rather than continuing to think there is a way you can get this man to do what you want (always a dificult thing) you need to have a break, maybe spend some time with those really close to you who you trust. Maybe you need a little comfort right now, go to where you have always found solace in the past...friends, family ?
I don't disagree with what Pink M says, because if you do take action as she says at least you know one way or the other where you stand with this guy...but a number of your questions seem to me to be about how you can get him to have a relationship with you and I'm not sure thats possible..and if its not possible you need to go hurry behind your 'alter' your sourse of solace and support.
Er actually Pinky I think the 'strong horse' you refer to is in 59.1 not 59.2 ...they don't call me 'detail police' for nothing check your Wilhelm cos your reading is based on 59.1 not 59.2
if the signs from the outer reality don't look good, ie he doesn't initiate contact etc and Lily is trying to figure ways to 'get him back' then I'd be inclined to see 59.2 indicating not that she should try to save the relationship...but that she should save herself, be kind to herself by going to that which usually supports her. I think with 59.2 its not a time for seeking support outside of that you which you know. At least I've always found it to be about turning to that which you regard as a faithful, tried and tested sourse of support when all else around you seems to be falling apart (59).
Maybe Lily rather than continuing to think there is a way you can get this man to do what you want (always a dificult thing) you need to have a break, maybe spend some time with those really close to you who you trust. Maybe you need a little comfort right now, go to where you have always found solace in the past...friends, family ?
I don't disagree with what Pink M says, because if you do take action as she says at least you know one way or the other where you stand with this guy...but a number of your questions seem to me to be about how you can get him to have a relationship with you and I'm not sure thats possible..and if its not possible you need to go hurry behind your 'alter' your sourse of solace and support.
Er actually Pinky I think the 'strong horse' you refer to is in 59.1 not 59.2 ...they don't call me 'detail police' for nothing
check your Wilhelm cos your reading is based on 59.1 not 59.2
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Arghhhh!!!
oh for goodness sake, thanks Trojan!!!! Sorry lily!
I thought she said they were communicating and emailing now?
& yes sorry the 2nd line is hurry to that which supports you! & overview, step back and look at the whole situation!
(I was looking at Line 1 and seeing it as 2) *Crawls under the carpet. i've amended the Post!!
oh for goodness sake, thanks Trojan!!!! Sorry lily!
I thought she said they were communicating and emailing now?
Sorry lily!!! I thought she meant by finding his way back- as in back into their relationship. I'm going back to sleep!!
& yes sorry the 2nd line is hurry to that which supports you! & overview, step back and look at the whole situation!
(I was looking at Line 1 and seeing it as 2) *Crawls under the carpet. i've amended the Post!!
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I believe your reply it is right. There is a great force at work here./
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where do you get the 'great force' from ? No 34 here was there, or 1 ? How do you see 59>20 as referring to great force...
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As i said in PM i think the name Pinky is so cute, not like a porn star at all, and this
in your signature is the finishing touch 
I'm sure you will catch me out in a minor (or major) error soon so that will make us quits.
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correct me if Im wrong but didn't Lily get 23.4 when she asked if the relationship was over ? Whichever way you look at it 23.4 isn't a great omen is it...
if the signs from the outer reality don't look good, ie he doesn't initiate contact etc and Lily is trying to figure ways to 'get him back' then I'd be inclined to see 59.2 indicating not that she should try to save the relationship...but that she should save herself, be kind to herself by going to that which usually supports her. I think with 59.2 its not a time for seeking support outside of that you which you know. At least I've always found it to be about turning to that which you regard as a faithful, tried and tested sourse of support when all else around you seems to be falling apart (59).
Maybe Lily rather than continuing to think there is a way you can get this man to do what you want (always a dificult thing) you need to have a break, maybe spend some time with those really close to you who you trust. Maybe you need a little comfort right now, go to where you have always found solace in the past...friends, family ?
I don't disagree with what Pink M says, because if you do take action as she says at least you know one way or the other where you stand with this guy...but a number of your questions seem to me to be about how you can get him to have a relationship with you and I'm not sure thats possible..and if its not possible you need to go hurry behind your 'alter' your sourse of solace and support.
Er actually Pinky I think the 'strong horse' you refer to is in 59.1 not 59.2 ...they don't call me 'detail police' for nothing
Yes, I think also your reply applies, I just think that it refers to dispersing the haste inside of me totally, I was near to hate him because he hurt me and yes it was his fault but I made the huge mistake because he confronts some heavy issues and then I was supposed to react as I said I am : an emotionally healthy person , instead I made a mess bigger than what he did, I believe it was mostly my mistake. I am not sure if its too late, I already apologized, but he doesn't come back yet, and I do not know what to do next. because due to how he emotionally feels towards people , he closes himself with so many locks, it is very bad, and I know how he felt with me hurting him, and how difficult for him is to regain faith in himself , he hurt me but my words I know were devastating for him. I know that what I said even if true I could have said it differently, but the way I said it..was terrible.
I felt that what can support me it is that apologies I already gave, I know it can make him feel better and also me, but I don't know if I should keep apologizing, this is not the normal relationship , its more of a deep connection, I want to know that he is "here" and him to know I am " there", even if we live 15000 miles away. probably the line its a call to change something in me, I am not sure what is, if it means : stop contacting him, I did what I could and let go till see what happens, that its what you suggest and its very hard for me.
Yes, I am stepping back and understood that I did a huge mistake..I should have told him what I told him but not the way I did.
Apologizing supports me, I have done it, probably the next step then is surrender and see what life has for me.:bag:
"a chance for change"= a great force in works
Because I think I read that this hexagram is also about rejection/ rejecting..he felt and he is feeling rejected as he is , and he is then rejecting me , there is a great force because when you feel something so strong , you are forced to go inwards and re-examine all of your thoughts , actions, who you are and what are you doing...and then it comes the "chance for change"..and change is a "Great force" because it can alter his and my destiny.
A great force its at works, in my mind trying to find a solution and hopefully he is doing same..maybe there is that chance for change..and I am trying to understand if i need to be still or to go for it..and then its when I realize...that I am doing a mistake trying to find a solution..."For solving things, to seek a solution is usually not the best option. Dissolution works better" Disolving thoughts I guess and going to find support in myself..Be strong lilylotus and wait...Time is needed.....
Because I think I read that this hexagram is also about rejection/ rejecting..he felt and he is feeling rejected as he is , and he is then rejecting me , there is a great force because when you feel something so strong , you are forced to go inwards and re-examine all of your thoughts , actions, who you are and what are you doing...and then it comes the "chance for change"..and change is a "Great force" because it can alter his and my destiny.
A great force its at works, in my mind trying to find a solution and hopefully he is doing same..maybe there is that chance for change..and I am trying to understand if i need to be still or to go for it..and then its when I realize...that I am doing a mistake trying to find a solution..."For solving things, to seek a solution is usually not the best option. Dissolution works better" Disolving thoughts I guess and going to find support in myself..Be strong lilylotus and wait...Time is needed.....
I read somewhere...
Can't remember where, but I read that the "cause" of the situation is the original hexagram with all lines changing except the one that actually changed. The "effect" would be the actual changed hexagram. Don't know if it's right, but that is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. Works for me.
So 59 with all lines changing except 2 is 34. The cause is Great Force. The effect of that cause is 20 - Contemplating.
Okay, I really do need to get back to work now, I'm slacking.
Can't remember where, but I read that the "cause" of the situation is the original hexagram with all lines changing except the one that actually changed. The "effect" would be the actual changed hexagram. Don't know if it's right, but that is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. Works for me.
So 59 with all lines changing except 2 is 34. The cause is Great Force. The effect of that cause is 20 - Contemplating.
Okay, I really do need to get back to work now, I'm slacking.