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Hi All,

Can someone out there help me with this?

I asked: Will my Ex and I manage to repair our relationship and be together romantically again?

I received 63.1.3.4> 45 as an answer. (Sounds beyond difficult, that said, I did meet her 3 years ago now)

I also asked Yi: How does my Ex perceive me romantically?

I received 13 unchanging. How do I decipher such an answer? (Sounds positive too!)

Last one.... I asked: Reunion being possible, what can I do to ease it into existence?

Answer: 49.4.5> 36

How does one do that? How does one 49.4.5> 36?

Thankyou so much in advance! I really appreciate it! I'm going slightly mad out here.
It really means alot to me!

Love, Moses

Please, any comments or ideas will be greatly appreciated!
 

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Moses,

first of all, i've already answered another thread regarding this. Your first answer applies, all others are not as valid as the first answer you received. even if you ask 'slightly' differently worded questions, your underlying intention is the same. you want her back. your looking for reconciliation. asking too many questions is going to confuse you. The only real answer is the first one you cast.

63>45 is full of confusion. theres an abundance of issues here that need to be dealt with. 63 specifically talks about 'at the beginning, good fortune, at the end, disorder'. Things started out well, but theres some major confusions happening now that need to be cleared up.(see other thread) there might be a false sense that everything is in its proper place. that you have a firm grasp of whats happening in your mind, when you dont.(again yi hammers this home to you in other thread) in 63, you never rest on your laurels, things seem good but change doesn't stop happening. any 'conclusions' your drawing from this relationship are not conclusions, there stepping stones to deeper understanding, if you dont search out whats really going on, and look for long term solutions to this relationships problems, you will keep failing. The idea here is to keep your mind free from any 'definitives' regarding her and you.(again other thread) Everyhting youve garnered up until now is just a starting point. You need to allow for deeper understanding and progression. There are no ideas about the two of you that can be set in stone. nothing can be set in stone. You need to work on how you can maintain an open mind about how this relationships going to turn out. You want her back, but unless you solve the current issues, no answer the yi will give you is going to say 'everythings rosy and your going to be the perfect couple again.' You need to work on yourself.


Yx
 

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Thankyou Yxeli,

The only problem is, is that the first question was not the one I sent you. But I would imagine by what you are saying, that the essential nature of Yis answer will be tied up in all of the answers. Am I right? Is that what you are saying?

Well.... I have one more maybe you could have a look a for me (?) Please???

I asked: What kind of future does my ex see for us romantically?

Answer: 5.2.3.5 24

Do I have reason for any hope?

Moses
 

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All the readings are dealing with the current time, or shi. How your feeling, how you can work on yourself. It very rarely is able to tell you how someone else feels, although it seems like everyone who uses the yi will ask this question, 'how does he/she feel about me'. I did it a million times a day for a long time when i first started using yi.

if you look at hex 4, yi explains this. in hex 4, yi is teaching you how to use the Yi. It specifically states:

'' It is not I who seek the young fool; the young fool seeks me. At the first oracle I inform him. If he asks two or three times, it is importunity. If he importunes, I give him no information. Perseverance furthers.''

This book is deep. The first answer you get is a HUGE answer. Even if you dont think it is. You need advice and help from this forum to understand what yi is saying to you. but noone else can see from your eyes, see what you have seen. when we are in pain, we seek out help. thats why your asking so many questions and frantically posting on this forum for more experienced people to answer. go to the top right hand corner of this page, click search , hexagram index, and find out others experience of your castings. also go to these sites:

http://www.iching123.com/64_hexagrams_list_text.htm

http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/index.html

http://www.biroco.com/yijing/Language_of_the_Lines.pdf

http://www.hermetica.info/

http://oaks.nvg.org/re5ra17.html

In order for you ton understand what yi is saying, you have to understand yi. This forum isnt a fast food service, its a two way learning process. You need to start learning yi, not asking questions and looking for others to answer.

When you truly understand the wisdom of the first answer, you can ask another. Thats how you grow, thats how you get through pain, desire, worry. Theres a right time for everything, you ask too many questions, more often then not yi is trying to show you how agitated and desirous you are at that given shi, or time.

The only way you can improve your relationship, is by improving yourself. Understanding what you did wrong, and correcting your behaviour. thats what yi does best.

Yx
 
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I keep reading and re-reading your answers and receiving more from them as I go too... so thankyou!!

The thing is that also confuses me is the 63 thing about things seemingly being in place.... NOTHING SEEMS OR FEELS IN PLACE TO ME!! :)

We hardly see eachother, she hide herself away, I hide myself away, maybe for similar reasons. I try daily to understand what is happening. But communication is really difficult because one question posed in ever so slightly the wrong tone of voice (however soft or loving) and I'm shut out. Truth is, it was like that from the beginning. But we had something else I thought. Something that took us levels above the rest..... And that was a real kinship.... a kindred spirit.... we used to joke about having been together for hundreds of years. And whatever role she felt forced into certainly was not my doing. The Yi has warned of TaleBearer and Traitors in earlier readings.... I even have a psychic friend that warned me of Negative Non people tearing us apart. But it seems I am at a loss of how to combat it..... I have put my faith in God through prayer.

I'm no longer sure what else I can do.

Moses
 
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All the readings are dealing with the current time, or shi. How your feeling, how you can work on yourself. It very rarely is able to tell you how someone else feels, although it seems like everyone who uses the yi will ask this question, 'how does he/she feel about me'. I did it a million times a day for a long time when i first started using yi.

if you look at hex 4, yi explains this. in hex 4, yi is teaching you how to use the Yi. It specifically states:

'' It is not I who seek the young fool; the young fool seeks me. At the first oracle I inform him. If he asks two or three times, it is importunity. If he importunes, I give him no information. Perseverance furthers.''

This book is deep. The first answer you get is a HUGE answer. Even if you dont think it is. You need advice and help from this forum to understand what yi is saying to you. but noone else can see from your eyes, see what you have seen. when we are in pain, we seek out help. thats why your asking so many questions and frantically posting on this forum for more experienced people to answer. go to the top right hand corner of this page, click search and find out others experience of your castings. also go to these sites:

http://www.iching123.com/64_hexagrams_list_text.htm

http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/index.html

http://www.biroco.com/yijing/Language_of_the_Lines.pdf

http://www.hermetica.info/

http://oaks.nvg.org/re5ra17.html

In order for you ton understand what yi is saying, you have to understand yi. This forum isnt a fast food service, its a two way learning process. You need to start learning yi, not asking questions and looking for others to answer.

When you truly understand the wisdom of the first answer, you can ask another. Thats how you grow, thats how you get through pain, desire, worry. Theres a right time for everything, you ask too many questions, more often then not yi is trying to show you how agitated and desirous you are at that given shi, or time.

Yx


Ok Yxeli,

I hear you and appreciate what you are saying to me. It was not my intention to offend anyone, just to try and find some peace of mind.

I don't think I was approaching the forum like any kind of fast food joint.

Have you never been in pain before? Felt confused? Hopeful? Despairing? I'm sure you have. Therefore, possessing of some compassion, I will be sure that you understand my situation.

I have searched other scenarios on the site and tried to understand my readings as you have suggested. An still wasnt able to fully grasp things ans my questions were different, and from the little I know of Yi, I know it speaks directly to every situation. You cant just copy and past answers from other people experiences. So thank you for your help really!! But give me a bit of a break too if you would!!!

My posting is anything but frantic, and if it is, I apologise... no harm meant.

Thankyou for the links. And for your help.

Moses
 
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I'm not trying to offend you. Sorry if you think i am.

I'm just showing you how this works.

of course ive been in pain, im not bertaing you for needing to reach out during this time.

The hexagram index is a massive resource. There are far wiser and experienced diviners on this site, and trust me, very few answer questions in shared readings anymore. Shared readings is for people learning to help eachother out mainly. This site offers a paid service (change circle), and most of the heavyweights on this site are in there or in exploring divination, and even if you paid to go to change circle, your not guaranteed an answer from a super-diviner to your questions in there either.

what im saying is what yi says about itself. This is how yi works. I'm sorry if i offended you.

Yx
 

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to everything turn turn turrrnnn

I asked: What kind of future does my ex see for us romantically?

Answer: 5.2.3.5 24

The I Ching says:

:D Hey moses!
whats goin down?
chillaxe babe,
waiting (5) can be fun!
Anyways, you need some shi,
cos you got stuff to figure out,
after a bit things are gonna change like leopards spots,
and everything turns, turns (24)
out for the best :bows:

Yx
 

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)(*^%*^&%$!!!!

The I Ching says:

:D Hey moses!
whats goin down?
chillaxe babe,
waiting (5) can be fun!
Anyways, you need some shi,
cos you got stuff to figure out,
after a bit things are gonna change like leopards spots,

Yx




Yxeli....

Are you on hallucinogens!!!?.....hehhehehhhahahahaha Are you tripping?

I AM TRYYYIIIIIING!!! AAAAAAAAHAHHGHHGGHGHH! Honestly, I'M TRYING MY BEST HERE! :)

Its not so easy though, but I am getting there! I promise! Funny!

I was just about to start writing another thread and you were the star of the show!!! :)

I have news!! Nothing ground breaking but actually a bit ground breaking... At least it is from the old dreaded 23 I was dealing with the other day!

SHould I just be posting it here or somewhere else? OH YEAH.... Where did the leopard spots come from???

Mooooooooooseeeeeeees.....
 
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mmmmm, before I go...

This book is deep. The first answer you get is a HUGE answer. Even if you dont think it is. You need advice and help from this forum to understand what yi is saying to you. but noone else can see from your eyes, see what you have seen. when we are in pain, we seek out help. thats why your asking so many questions and frantically posting on this forum for more experienced people to answer. go to the top right hand corner of this page, click search , hexagram index, and find out others experience of your castings. also go to these sites:

In order for you ton understand what yi is saying, you have to understand yi. This forum isnt a fast food service, its a two way learning process. You need to start learning yi, not asking questions and looking for others to answer.

When you truly understand the wisdom of the first answer, you can ask another. Thats how you grow, thats how you get through pain, desire, worry. Theres a right time for everything, you ask too many questions, more often then not yi is trying to show you how agitated and desirous you are at that given shi, or time.

The only way you can improve your relationship, is by improving yourself. Understanding what you did wrong, and correcting your behaviour. thats what yi does best.

Yx

One other thing Yxeli,

If it wasn't for people asking how others feel/think.... this site would simply not exist.
Its the lions share of the modus operandum on this forum. How is he this? How is she that?.... Its ridiculous and I am no better or worse! :)

Man.... I look around, I look around and see alot of new faces! Which means alot of you have been breaking the first two rules of Yi Club!... Oh Hold on... sorry, for a minute I thought I was Brad Pitt in Fight Club!! Come on!!!!!! SERIOUSLY? There are no rules!!! I've heard them all....NO YES NO QUESTIONS.... NO ASKING ABOUT OTHERS FEELINGS.... NO THIS NO THAT!!!..... Look, I think everyone is aware of the limitations and the responsibility of asking certain types of questions, and I'm not going to brag about how much I know about the YI Jing. But I will say this. It also says in 4 Meng, that childlike desire to learn brings success. And that's what I come to this forum with. And as you said before, you used to ask a million of those questions before in days gone by.... Well... Just call me a late bloomer!!! And I'll follow and conclude that after 10 years of Yi Use.... When it comes to my own issues.... I am as no f********g good!! (excuse my french)... It was the same when I studied mediumship, the same when I studied reiki healing....Toning... Psychometry ..... hell, I even have issues with my own daily meditation! Great for others, unless I'm depressed, useless when it comes to my own issues. Hence.... THE FORUM.

ALSO.... How do I understand what I did wrong, should I just be asking Yi "what did I do wrong?"....could be a good place to start I suppose..... I think there's also a feint morsel of a chance that we both may have done wrong in the relationship too(?) It definitely wasnt a one way deal. Relationships never are! EVER. EVER EVER. EVER EVER EVER.

Gimme some love Yxeli x What do you think?

Thanks for the back up too!

Moseeeeeeeeees
 
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Moseeeeeeeeees,

I'm not really sure how Yx arrived at "leopard spots". But here are my thoughts:

49.6 refers to a "leopard transformation" (some translations say "panther"). And your reading was 49.4.5 --- so you got the "tiger transformation" line. But I do note that the relating figure for 49.6 is hexagram 13 --- which was also a hexagram Yi gave in response to your series of questions.

I wonder what the difference is between a "tiger transformation" and a "leopard transformation."
I also wonder what the difference is between Hexagram 23 -STRIPPING and Hexagram 49SKINNING. "Stripping" and "Skinning" seem to be similar verbs.

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my tigers and leopards are the same thing to me!

went on loftings 5>24, goes by way of 49.

Yx
 

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Yx,

I am trying to understand this "goes by way of 49". My quick look at Loftings work shows something about archetype > context > phenotype: the "archetype" is the basic hexagram, the "context" is a figure with the changing lines yang, and the "phenotype" is the relating figure. (Is this correct?) When you say, "by way of" are you referring to the context? And isn't the "context" of a situation with lines 2 & 3 & 5 changing Hexagram 48 instead of 49? So when Moses asks, "What kind of future does my ex see for us romantically"?, is Yi saying that she is "Waiting to Return by way of the Well"?

Moses, weren't you going to propose to this woman?

Where did you post your news?

cc
 

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CC,

Yeah, Ive been looking through how lofting does things, i'm still trying to figure it out but theres definite patterns in the line changes that fit with the 'by way of' analysis he uses, for instance, from my understanding, changing lines in loftings method will have the same 'context' (?)( or is that a karcher term?)operator ,from just using his translations ive noticed this so i may be way off, for instance, lines 2 And 6 moving will often have the 'by way of' hex as hex 4, social intelligence.

I swear by this method, although of course its fairly 'loose' because its not basing the interpretation on the lines, but i really like analysing a reading first of all from a distance, and i think loftings way of giving you the 'environment' of the casting is really useful initially. Ive very rarely found lofting wrong.

but i was!

yep, one above, 48 is the 'by way of' for 5>24.

i'd hazard this interpretation after correcting my mistake, with a mix of richmond and lofting.

Your shy (48), you need to wait (05) happily, enjoy waiting for what you want, not by overanalysing but by reaching your own depth and expressing this, (48), and so a possibility of a new beginning happens( 24) or the more pessimistic side, after waiting, thinking deeply and expressing it (48) you can finally see the missing pieces in the puzzle and return to yourself (24) .

Yx
 

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