My subscription to the Change Circle has just ended.

[johnny ng]

Hi,

My subsciption to the Change Circle has just ended and I ask the yijing whether should I join the Change Circle again.

My answer:17.1.2, 47

My interpretations:
Line 1: Go out and mingle freely with all sorts of people, friends to achieve something.

Line 2: If he throws himself away on unworthy friends he loses connection with people of intellectual power who could further him in the good.

May I have your insights and advises please.

 

[chingching]

I've never been apart of change circle, did you enjoy it?

It seems to be saying go out where there are lots of people fresh new voices. Because I don't know what change circle is like I cant say whether change circle provides this. But if it does, yes join again.

Bradford Hatcher's 17.2 jumped out at me:

The elders have all been there and done that, so long ago, and sucked all the juices out. Now theirs is a dry, second-hand, grumpy thing.

I find that in shared readings there are always new people joining that offer fresh ways of looking at things

But beginner's mind is the best place to start and return to.

If I knew more about what change circle was I could say well, it definitely is filled with grumpy old minds etc. but then again at times you can say that about the general forum here or forums anywhere.

However my last impression is this, change circle was a confined learning experience(47) it was good but now its time to step out (17.1)amongst curious, albeit inexperienced(17.2), minds.

 

[anemos]

Hi,

My subsciption to the Change Circle has just ended and I ask the yijing whether should I join the Change Circle again.

My answer:17.1.2, 47

My interpretations:
Line 1: Go out and mingle freely with all sorts of people, friends to achieve something.

Line 2: If he throws himself away on unworthy friends he loses connection with people of intellectual power who could further him in the good.

May I have your insights and advises please.

17.1 is more or less a Out-of-the -box experience
17.2 . it depends on your idea of "unworthy" and "intellectual" .

 

[Tohpol]

It means following, allowing yourself to be drawn - to be of service.

L1: Remain open to new things and challenges while being true to yourself. Change your assumptions, expectations and preconceived ideas. What is it you really want? You get based on what you give.

L2: If you don't follow what is highest in yourself then it'll be difficult to realise your greatest potential. For that you need to network...

 

[Sparhawk]

The Change Circle is a great way to support Hilary and Clarity and won't break your bank account.

 

[tigerintheboat]

Dried Up or People of Intellectual Power

Hi,

My subsciption to the Change Circle has just ended and I ask the yijing whether should I join the Change Circle again.

My answer:17.1.2, 47

My interpretations:
Line 1: Go out and mingle freely with all sorts of people, friends to achieve something.

Line 2: If he throws himself away on unworthy friends he loses connection with people of intellectual power who could further him in the good.

Johnny, most interesting. I think I could make a case either way, but as I am somewhat prejudiced towards the Change Circle, of which I am a member....

Line 1, to me, indicates that you should not be exclusive to any group; but it does suggest that you remain "open and accessible to people."

Looking at your analysis above on Line 2, I would simply try to discern if the experience of the Change Circle showed you "people of intellectual power".

Admittedly, you haven't posted much there recently, but if you did think there were people there of high caliber, then by letting the subscription go, you might be considered as "losing connection with people of intellectual power."

Best Wishes,

Tiger

 

[johnny ng]

Then I shouldn't miss the chance or I will regret it.:bows:
Thanks for the insights. I already feel that I am still not good enough at my interpretations of the yijing. But after I join the Change Circle, I can feel that I am more enlightened than before. And if I stop here, I will not be able to advance further and it will be a standstill. Therefore I have decided to join again with the encouragement of all of you. Thanks again and will meet again.

 

[chingching]

what is change cirlce? what happens in there, is it good?

 

[sooo]

Hi,

My subsciption to the Change Circle has just ended and I ask the yijing whether should I join the Change Circle again.

My answer:17.1.2, 47

My interpretations:
Line 1: Go out and mingle freely with all sorts of people, friends to achieve something.

Line 2: If he throws himself away on unworthy friends he loses connection with people of intellectual power who could further him in the good.

May I have your insights and advises please.

I'd take the reading as 'step back, relax, emotionally untie, assess'. Then follow what for you is the right road, for the right reasons. It really comes down to your own assessment.

I think chingching's view of 47 in this reading is refreshing - not saying this is good or bad, but that the CC is an enclosed area is not always a bad thing. But neither is choosing the child's playground over the adult's class inside (17.2). Lovely analogy.

Personally, I tend to think of this main area as the "free zone" in more ways than one. That is to say, less confined or restricted, which is always where I'm more comfortable. It's purely a personal choice.

Hilary only asks that members give something in return for what is offered here. She doesn't mandate what. But whether you rejoin CC or not, I think that going outside the courtyard refers to your active participation, your contribution. Even if you think it's not worth that much, it may be just what someone needs. There's 17 in that too.

 

[johnny ng]

what is change cirlce? what happens in there, is it good?

Reply from Ms Hilary: Change Circle includes access to the Reading Circle private forum, the member blogs, and the WikiWing. Also there are occasional gatherings on the phone/ Skype, though we haven't had one of those in far too long. The key to benefitting most is - of course - getting involved in posting your readings and sharing your thoughts. There are fewer people here than in the public forums, but this has its advantages: the threads don't 'whizz by', so fast, there are longer and more thoughtful responses, and people almost always come back to post a follow-up later.

 

[johnny ng]

I'd take the reading as 'step back, relax, emotionally untie, assess'. Then follow what for you is the right road, for the right reasons. It really comes down to your own assessment.

I think chingching's view of 47 in this reading is refreshing - not saying this is good or bad, but that the CC is an enclosed area is not always a bad thing. But neither is choosing the child's playground over the adult's class inside (17.2). Lovely analogy.

Personally, I tend to think of this main area as the "free zone" in more ways than one. That is to say, less confined or restricted, which is always where I'm more comfortable. It's purely a personal choice.

Hilary only asks that members give something in return for what is offered here. She doesn't mandate what. But whether you rejoin CC or not, I think that going outside the courtyard refers to your active participation, your contribution. Even if you think it's not worth that much, it may be just what someone needs. There's 17 in that too.

sooo,

Thanks for your advise of my active participation, my contribution. I will do it though it's not worth much. I believe in this "free zone" which can make our feelings and perceptions go deeper than words.:bows:

 

[tigerintheboat]

See You There.

I already feel that I am still not good enough at my interpretations of the yijing. But after I join the Change Circle, I can feel that I am more enlightened than before. And if I stop here, I will not be able to advance further and it will be a standstill. Therefore I have decided to join again with the encouragement of all of you. Thanks again and will meet again.

Johnny, Yi adapts well to whoever uses it, and at whatever level. Even among experienced people, there is confusion (sometimes) and disagreement of interpretation (often!).

There are objective meanings to the language of Yi, some more clear than others. And then there are the subjective meanings and associations that will be true for you, and perhaps not necessarily the same for others. This subjective layer can only be developed by you and for you, through your own practice of divination.

For both objective meanings, and suggestions for interpretation, I highly recommend Miss Hilary's "Words of Change.". Well worth the insignificant price she asks for it! It is a valuable, wonderful aid, for establishing the accurate objective layer, and then moving safely into the subjective space.

See you in Change Circle (and also out here!)

Best Wishes,

Tiger

 

[johnny ng]

Johnny, Yi adapts well to whoever uses it, and at whatever level. Even among experienced people, there is confusion (sometimes) and disagreement of interpretation (often!).

There are objective meanings to the language of Yi, some more clear than others. And then there are the subjective meanings and associations that will be true for you, and perhaps not necessarily the same for others. This subjective layer can only be developed by you and for you, through your own practice of divination.

For both objective meanings, and suggestions for interpretation, I highly recommend Miss Hilary's "Words of Change.". Well worth the insignificant price she asks for it! It is a valuable, wonderful aid, for establishing the accurate objective layer, and then moving safely into the subjective space.

See you in Change Circle (and also out here!)

Best Wishes,

Tiger

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Thanks Tiger for the priceless advices. :bows:

 

[johnny ng]

Johnny, Yi adapts well to whoever uses it, and at whatever level. Even among experienced people, there is confusion (sometimes) and disagreement of interpretation (often!).

There are objective meanings to the language of Yi, some more clear than others. And then there are the subjective meanings and associations that will be true for you, and perhaps not necessarily the same for others. This subjective layer can only be developed by you and for you, through your own practice of divination.

For both objective meanings, and suggestions for interpretation, I highly recommend Miss Hilary's "Words of Change.". Well worth the insignificant price she asks for it! It is a valuable, wonderful aid, for establishing the accurate objective layer, and then moving safely into the subjective space.

See you in Change Circle (and also out here!)

Best Wishes,

Tiger

Dear Tiger,

I just bought the words of Change for 5 pounds! It is an interesting and quick reference ebooklet for our Yijing readings. Thanks for your good idea.

 

[chingching]

I joined and its very good.

 

[johnny ng]

I joined and its very good.

Have an interesting and beneficial journey.

Kind regards,
Johnny