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Is there a specific term in use for following the fan yaos instead of the original changing lines when confronted with multiple changes?

For example:

1.3.5.6>54

being read as:

10.3
14.5
43.6

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Miakoda
 

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Is there a specific term in use for following the fan yaos instead of the original changing lines when confronted with multiple changes? Miakoda

Hi-
As the person who, less than ten years ago, first coined the term "fan yao,"
I've never seen such a technique. Also, I've always tended to advocate against
using this dimension in divination. I do believe that the original authors used
the dimension when coming up with ideas and images for the original Zhouyi
line texts, and that turning to the fan yao for clues to the meaning of the of
the "ben" or original line can be really helpful. But I have a hard time seeing
its usefulness go much beyond this.

Brad
 

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Bradford:

I'm so glad that you wrote in. I think your work is wonderful.

Maybe I've gone down a crazy road here with this, but after 30 plus years of reading, I started using this method about 6 months ago and was stunned by its accuracy. I was pretty wary at first because (as you know probably better than most) some fan yaos are closely related to the original lines and some are direct opposites--a risky thing to follow. In the beginning I asked the Yi about its efficacy and received their support for using it. Later, after I began to feel pretty confident that it was working, I went back into old journals and looked at the hexagrams using the new method and found that it wasn't particularly accurate for the past readings. That threw me, so I asked again if I should continue and was once again reassured. My theory about it now is that the Yi has the capabilities to adapt to either method of reading depending on how it is being used.

What I particularly like about this way of reading is the flexibility it gives the Yi. I only use it for hexagrams with more than one changing line. I've noticed that the original lines now characterize the current situation and the fan yaos become the guidance or divination. It seems to have a kind of pinpoint accuracy and multiple changing lines are now clearer paths and easier to follow.

I guess for lack of a term, I'll refer to it as the "fan yao steps."

Thanks again.

All the best,

Miakoda
 
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This is the sort of thing that makes me chuckle. Not at anyone, just at the sheer not-knowing-ness of it all. I think any system you use or invent, if approached with an expecting mind (mind of a child), will receive a cogent answer.
 

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I went back into old journals and looked at the hexagrams using the new method and found that it wasn't particularly accurate for the past readings. That threw me, so I asked again if I should continue and was once again reassured. My theory about it now is that the Yi has the capabilities to adapt to either method of reading depending on how it is being used. Miakoda

Glad to see you are trying to be empirical about it. The adaptability of the Yi to the methods of the Bu Shi or Bu Ren (diviner) is one thing that empiricism has shown me as well. Of course that still begs the question of who or what is doing the adapting.
 

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That's the great question, isn't it: Who is driving the bus? When I asked the Yi this a few years back (in more respectful language than the above naturally), I received an elliptical 48 unchanging, as though it was saying, "I am, of course."

I'm not at all surprised that the I Ching is adaptable enough to be read in different ways--it's inherently so when you consider that it can be approached with stalks or coins or marbles or even blossoms on a branch, and that scholars keep uncovering layers of meaning in trigram images, nuclear hexagrams, crossline omens, etc. and all of the other ways that we now employ to help further our understanding. Why shouldn't a system as elegant as the I Ching be used in this complex way? It expands the language exponentially, allowing for nuanced responses.

Wouldn't it be fascinating to see what would happen if some experienced diviners tried reading in this way for, say, a month? I wonder what would be discovered?
 

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That's the great question, isn't it: Who is driving the bus? When I asked the Yi this a few years back (in more respectful language than the above naturally), I received an elliptical 48 unchanging, as though it was saying, "I am, of course."

You sure it says that? When you regard the well as a device or machine, its only moving part is You. You do all of the work.
 

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Actually I asked: "Who are you?" not "Who's driving the bus?" so I understood the answer of 48 to be that it served as a source, as a well. I muddied it here by being cute about busses. Sorry.
 

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