Nature's ideas are spiraling

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I've been experiencing and thinking.. and reading and thinking some more.. all on how the Yi works and develops with us over time.. and I thought I would share my own little way of experiencing the Yi at this point. As the Yi starts to unfold it's layers of spiraling petals, it actually becomes less about the petals, and less about the words to describe them, and more about the spiraling itself, and even more about the ideas which give them their form and eventually shape our lives.

Once nature's idea shine, the physical petals start to grow, and make sense in a very non physical way, and become examples, and personal milestones, on a curving and expanding path of transformation. This path's first steps spring from a universal central source, from which we step our own steps out of. Each Gua can be looked at as being it's own spiral, as well as the Yijing as a whole...as well as everything else and on and on and on..

Happy transformation to all!

 

[gene]

Another way to look at it is as a sine wave. Since all of nature is a sine wave, and all matter is only the result of sine waves and frequency waves bumping into each other, then it follows that the I Ching would be telling us where we are on that sine wave, high, low, or in the middle, and how that relates to timing of events in our lives; when it is time to advance, to retreat, to hold our ground, etc.

The universe is alive, and the most recent science is proving this is true. All is consciousness. It is only consciousness that can create a sine wave. That is it in a nutshell.

Gene

 

[charly]

Hi Courtney:

From China 3000/2500 BC:

Source: http://www.clevelandart.org/collect...searchoption=1&csearch=Department:Chinese Art

Best regards,


Charly

 

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Hi Charly, looks like feathers and eyes and also smooth if it were to be touched. Although I don' think this piece is on exhibit anymore, the Cleveland Art Museum is only 30 minutes up the street from me. I enjoyed looking at the website pictures and wonder what IS on exhibit up there now. I feel a museum trip in the near future. Thank you.

 

[charly]

... I feel a museum trip in the near future. Thank you.

Hi, Courtney:

Tell us after.

All the best,

Charly

 

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Charly - Went to the museum about a month ago. Took a bunch of pictures and saw a lot of neat things including armor. Their Asian exhibit was being moved at the time and so it was the only thing that was not up, but I got to walk thru a room full of purple balloons. Going back when the Asian stuff gets set back out.

 

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Maybe nature's ideas are spiraling because, when two objects collide, they are often off center, so that each veers off its path in a turning motion. It like two persons sidestepping each other to go around.

 

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this came to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrIk6dKcdoU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=Cd9cBlvfjow
or the Antennae Galaxies that have been going at it for quite some time, making new stars..

but still sticking to the original theme... even once the visual is made, it goes past the image and straight back to the idea, back to the source from which it came spiraling out of in the first place. Then it seems it can be applied to just about anything!

 

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I had nearly got crazy of my laziness, but: a spiral in rotation is either moving inward or outward. Right ? Well, looking at a rotating spiral moving inward - will it still seem to move inward if You go around it looking at it from the other site ? (My laziness is that I have not made a spiral, placing it in a machine and testing whether it's right or wrong that it's turning direction outward when You look at it from the opposit site.)
- I know that a watch change direction moving clockwise as seen from the "right" point and moving anticlockwise seeing it from the other site.

 

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Found it in an easier way here: http://dogfeathers.com/java/spirals.html

 

[meng]

a spiral in rotation is either moving inward or outward. Right ?

It could, like pulling a strip of raw onion gradually moves inward. But a Slinky doesn't.

I've followed this thread a bit, had nothing much to offer to it, other than: many moons ago I ranted on about how asking the same basic question, even though cleverly reworded, is a spiral which becomes smaller and smaller, leading to (what else?) a smaller view, ie microscope. But just as easily it can get wider and broader, until all sharp focus is lost, until adjusted, ie telescope.

In a dream, I once climbed a white spiral ladder up through the clouds. It clearly went upward but didn't go inward or outward. It also showed me, what goes up, must come down. "See that army of marching ants? Past Indras, all."

Indra and the Ants

In this story from the Brahmavaivarta Purana,[17][citation needed] Indra defeats Vṛtrá and releases the waters. Elevated to the rank of King of the gods, Indra orders the heavenly craftsman, Vishvakarma, to build him a grand palace. Full of pride, Indra continues to demand more and more improvements for the palace. At last, exhausted, Vishvakarma asks Brahma the Creator for help. Brahma in turn appeals to Vishnu, the Supreme Being.

Vishnu visits Indra's palace in the form of a Brahmin boy; Indra welcomes him in. Vishnu praises Indra's palace, casually adding that no former Indra had succeeded in building such a palace. At first, Indra is amused by the Brahmin boy's claim to know of former Indras. But the amusement turns to horror as the boy tells about Indra's ancestors, about the great cycles of creation and destruction, and even about the infinite number of worlds scattered through the void, each with its own Indra. The boy claims to have seen them all. During the boy's speech, a procession of ants had entered the hall. The boy saw the ants and laughed. Finally humbled, Indra asks the boy why he laughed. The boy reveals that the ants are all former Indras.

Another visitor enters the hall. He is Shiva, in the form of a hermit. On his chest lies a circular cluster of hairs, intact at the circumference but with a gap in the middle. Shiva reveals that each of these chest hairs corresponds to the life of one Indra. Each time a hair falls, one Indra dies and another replaces him.

No longer interested in wealth and honor, Indra rewards Vishvakarma and releases him from any further work on the palace. Indra himself decides to leave his life of luxury to become a hermit and seek wisdom. Horrified, Indra's wife Shuchi asks the priest Brihaspati to change her husband's mind. He teaches Indra to see the virtues of both the spiritual life and the worldly life. Thus, at the end of the story, Indra learns how to pursue wisdom while still fulfilling his kingly duties.

Shades of 36.6.

 

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a spiral in rotation is either moving inward or outward. Right ?

The spirals i am experiencing are doing both at the same time. Sort of like if we learn how something works on a mircoscopic level (which would be moving inward), we can apply it to a more universal vastness (outward). Not exactly in the same way, but similarly. Been learning about fractals ... and am mesmerized by them and how no matter if you zoom in, or you zoom out, you get a similar picture. The fabric of life seems to be that way. It's as if... as the spiral goes OUT, you learn more about what is fueling it, it's source. Sooooooo hard to explain!

 

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Shortly: Coming from a center, moving outward is the spiral of time out into the eternal future. But for us as part of this eternal movement out, out - we only experience the outward movement...
Did the sages got the possibility to step unto the other site of the spiral, seeing it's inward motion, back in time into the beginning/the center/Big bang ?
Quote: "......... Reckoning the past is to follow time's passing,
knowing the future is to move against time. Thus Yi reckons time in its coming and going." [Wing 8, Shuogua, part I, 3.] (here from Richard Rutt's translation - In Wilhelm/Baynes ed. its to find on page 265; Shuo Kua chapter II, 3, second section].
Because the evolution in time has to be a spiralmovement; else everything would just be born, die and be born again in exactly the same manner: circular repetition I mean....
Or: the difference in seeing out unto the future, outward movement, and looking back into the past, inward movement of this spiral ???

 

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I like what you have to say. I have often thought about how time moves in this outward way, and then wondered if perhaps at some point in the past, and also some point in the future, things will rubber band and reverse - causing pleasure instead of pain - instead of death, the opposite (in some way that I cannot conceive properly). If this happened in the past, perhaps it is where our longing for non-suffering comes from - and maybe if we would all just meditate to the point of stopping, things would slow down to this stop - and then reverse. I know, I have whacked out ideas...

 

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I'm aware that my wiev is highly theoretical: believing in what is said through the Ten Wings the sages, of the ancient times, actually where able to move against time and thereby expose the future. We are limited to the forward/outward movement in time and furthermore to wiev partly our past; concerning our ability to wiev into the future we are blind. I am questioning out of a believe. The believe that everything started from a center, spiraling outward from there. This is a turning point as one could as well believe the opposite. Still there will be a movement outward or inward. A movement from the past out unto the eternal future or: a movement from the past in, into the definit end. Coming from out there moving into the final center, the Finale ? As mentioned: theoretical speculation Yes ! Still - to me - interesting. Now, I Ching seems to give us advises out of a Knowing of what will come in the future, totally out of our awareness; but for us to grasp in glimpses now and then when clarity is admitted to us. Question, again: how is that possible ?
Someone mentioned, above in this "spiral-thread", that the spiralmovement is both in- and outward at the same time/in the same momentum, as I understood it. One could get the clue that our senses and human consciousness only got the ability to experience one of those movingdirections out of the fact that the future is dark/unknown territory ?

 

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I think the answer is not known about these things but I understand the curiousity of trying to comprehend. The spirals to me first personally unfold through symbols. I see something and it unlocks a personal pocket of understanding which I see as being connected to a bigger stream - and the only way to understand that bigger stream of archetypical symbolism is to first experience it on a personal level. Like putting your foot in to test the water (and from your vantage point). Then, if you start understanding the stream enough, by multiple points of reference and experience, you might even be able to drop the original symbol (because it is more than that). I try to look at each Gua like this, but it is still very much so a work in progress.

 

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I really should add that I had 22 on the brain when I started this thread, and still do because I am working on an art piece currently with 22 as the subject. will post it when it is done.

 

[svenrus]

Ïview-weiv-weiv - viewÐ

I think the answer is not known about these things but I understand the curiousity of trying to comprehend. The spirals to me first personally unfold through symbols. I see something and it unlocks a personal pocket of understanding which I see as being connected to a bigger stream - and the only way to understand that bigger stream of archetypical symbolism is to first experience it on a personal level. Like putting your foot in to test the water (and from your vantage point). Then, if you start understanding the stream enough, by multiple points of reference and experience, you might even be able to drop the original symbol (because it is more than that). I try to look at each Gua like this, but it is still very much so a work in progress.

Right. I tried push another aspect of 'spiral' or spiraling movement into the subject... I know it's a whole subject in itself. (View.... OK)

 

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