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Hi everyone,

Hopefully I am posting this in the correct place ! I am new to this site and wondered if anyone could help with the interpretat two readings I took. I have two biological children ( now in their teens ) and always hoped to have another child. Due to circumstances I was not in the position to have another & now that I am it seems my fertility has gone ! I have been thinking seriously about adoption as I know I could love another child who is not mine biologically but I worry about the effect on my two boys. Sorry for babbling on ! ....basically I got 27.5 when i asked 'what can I expect if I do adopt' and 58.5 in response to 'what can I expect if I don't adopt'. My understanding of the first reading is that it's positive and not the usual path but I'm unsure what not crossing the river means. The second reading 58.5 is more difficult for me to interpret. Any Help would be gratefully received
Amy:bows:
 

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27 is bad for family life generally. It is about the decline of the family. There are injuries and pains from the past that must be dealt with. The expectation of what will happen if you adopt is not the problem: The problem is what to do reverse the declining fortunes of the family. You must first work on that, and, if you do, then you will gain as 42 provides. In other words, there may be problems with your biological children that have to be worked first before you do adopt. The 58.5 is a warning not to simply trust the people and circumstances involved. It warns you to curb your demands. Moreover, the gua 54 states that on the outside everything looks very harmonious, but in reality everything is in turmoil in the family. Here, too, family fortunes are declining. I am wondering why you need to adopt another child when you have two teens that need nurturing? What is the need? Is this an indication that your family life is not going well with you? That you need something more from the family life you now have?
 
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Thank you for taking time to look at this. I think you have seen something of the truth here. I am not sure what this 'need' is in me and from the look of these hexagrams the 'need' is not going to be met how I envisaged! I can only think that when I had my first child it was like a light came on for me, I found my purpose and my children have bought me so much joy. I think the joy I felt in parenting got disrupted when I went through a divorce and loss of home when my children were young and I spent many years building-up the life we have now. I suppose I want to feel that 'light' on again. I also always invisaged I would have 3 children and have a daughter & feel a loss in not having that had that experience & somehow less of a person because of it. I struggle hard to accept that you cannot have it all. I have asked myself 'do I need something more from the family life I have' and I think the answer is that my children have grown and don't need me in the way young children do - and activities like going to the farm are no-more. We do things together but it feels like sometimes they'd rather not - typical teens I suppose. I hope I can resolve these issues soon because it's not pleasant to not feel like this and I think I have felt like this since my divorce over 10 years ago !....so yes on reflection there are still - pain and injuries from the past. I asked the i-ching what is it that I 'need' and it said 33.3 4 6 which I think is saying quite strongly to retreat and accept things as they are? both the previous readings say that family life is in decline which is worrying :s but I'm hoping that 33 leading to 8 looks more promising - I basically just want to do the right thing for everyone.
 
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Hi Amy,

Your concern about adopting, the effect it would have on your two boys
as you put it, 27.5 turning into 42, not the most natural way to have a
child, adoption, and yet it would be greatly advantageous. Makes sense
to me, what makes you happy, should make your boys happy in repercussion.

If you don't adopt, 58.5 turning into 54, you would save yourself some trouble
(well obviously adopting and rearing a pot-luck child IS some sort of trouble
sure enough), but you would end up in a 54 situation, ie second best and
depending on others' judgement and decisions.

I asked the i-ching what is it that I 'need' and it said 33.3 4 6 (turning into
8) - 33:3 retreat in difficulty from what you don't want, 33.4, retreat from
what you don't want, 33.6, retreat cheerfully and 8, seek union of the heart.

Based on these answers, i'd say go for adopting, this is what your heart is
telling you.
 

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Amyjohanna

I know you have already received two replies and they are not exactly the same. I will have to stir the pot a little bit. Often the answers we get are just the I Ching making us think about ourselves... The commentary on line 5 says, " He should be undertaking the nourishment of the people, but hi has not the strength to do it...But he must be aware of his deficiencies." In other words, you need to look into your own position on this and discover if you really have the strength for this undertaking.

The commentary on 58.5 says, "...However, the danger is avoidable." In other words, if you look to yourself, whether you are really in line for this undertaking, you will see the answer for yourself.

Not crossing the great water means not undertaking a significant path.

Gene
 
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sooo

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This reading would cause me to reflect on my reasons for adopting. It would cast some doubt on my motives. At the same time, something about Diamanda's interpretation rings also true. I would more closely and honestly examine what I hope to accomplish through the adoption. Is it to satisfy my own need? Am I prepared for the kind of long term dedication this requires? Or, am I trying to get back at someone, or feel ok about myself, or fulfill a deep seated primitive calling? All those kinds of questions, just to be sure I was doing it for the right reasons.
 
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sooo

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27 is bad for family life generally. It is about the decline of the family. There are injuries and pains from the past that must be dealt with.

Curious where you found these. Sounds more like 18 to me. Care to share your sources?
 
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Thank you for the responses. I think this is an issue that needs time and plenty of reflection before a desicion is made. I am studying at the moment so it would not be practical until that ends in 2 years time, so I should be clear by then!! I asked 'what my motivation was for adopting' and got 44.5 6>33 which I understand to be 'unwrapping a melon. It contains a creation. It falls from heaven' and line 6 'Restlessness as an enduring condition brings misfortune' that line I can totally relate to....I think that this inner restlessness/drive ect has gone on for years and I am seeking to fullfil/quell it - I have tried ignoring it but it wont go away! hex 33 - duration ?! The I ching has so many layers - like an onion, I'm so glad I have found this site of insights!:bows:
 
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ooops the 44.5 6 changes to 32 duration not 33 as I put :)
 

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Curious where you found these. Sounds more like 18 to me. Care to share your sources?

There is an inherent tension within 27, the Cheeks, the Corners of the Mouth, Nourishing, etc.. It is that the nourishing is one's own responsibility. Obviously, it is not just about food, but about everything that we use to care for our own lives. However, in 27, there is a definite tendency to care too much about other people which leads to self-pity and discontent (read the lines again). It also inspires envy, rather than healthy desire for self-nourishment. Hence, the effort to pamper children, for example, leads to their harm. When applying 27 to the family, it is clearly a time of decline, because of the inherent tension in the gua.

18 is more about the great tension between father and son, between the traditional and the innovative and does not have any genuine similarity to 27.
 
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sooo

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There is an inherent tension within 27, the Cheeks, the Corners of the Mouth, Nourishing, etc.. It is that the nourishing is one's own responsibility. Obviously, it is not just about food, but about everything that we use to care for our own lives. However, in 27, there is a definite tendency to care too much about other people which leads to self-pity and discontent (read the lines again). It also inspires envy, rather than healthy desire for self-nourishment. Hence, the effort to pamper children, for example, leads to their harm. When applying 27 to the family, it is clearly a time of decline, because of the inherent tension in the gua.

18 is more about the great tension between father and son, between the traditional and the innovative and does not have any genuine similarity to 27.

Still asking for your sources of this information. I find it completely wayward. The exception being line 6, where there is danger of being consumed by those you nourish, so there is a need to nourish the source of nourishment. And, of course what we feed on is central to what we become.

Resident physical therapists, please correct me if I'm wrong, but slackening the jaw (opening) relaxes the muscles, not stresses them, and chewing provides essential exercise for keeping jaws strong, able to bite through, i.e. line 4, where even the exercise of the hunt is nourishing to the soul of the tiger.

But it isn't what goes into the jaws that defile a man, so much as what comes out. (borrowed from Mat 15:11) This might even have a hidden hint to Amy to help by speaking it into being.
 

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from my point of view... the first 2 readings refers to the same answer... the fifth line of 58 confirm the fifth line and the whole meaning of 27-> 42.

I think the advice is.... look for some thought from experienced people... about fertility and other stuff.... I think that the biological way isn't dead. you are advised to look for some help.
 

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There is an inherent tension within 27, the Cheeks, the Corners of the Mouth, Nourishing, etc.. It is that the nourishing is one's own responsibility. Obviously, it is not just about food, but about everything that we use to care for our own lives. However, in 27, there is a definite tendency to care too much about other people which leads to self-pity and discontent (read the lines again). It also inspires envy, rather than healthy desire for self-nourishment. Hence, the effort to pamper children, for example, leads to their harm. When applying 27 to the family, it is clearly a time of decline, because of the inherent tension in the gua.

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Hi Icastes,

I'm a bit confused with your rendering of 27 and wonder if you could elaborate a bit more. I read again the lines, and fail to see from where your draw those conclusions.

27, imo, is a pretty complicate and the same time a simple hex. The first image comes into my mind re 27 is of a mother breast feeding a child. you can take this image literally or metaphorically. Both baby and mother benefit from that and its a way of bonding.

I don't dissagree that there is a dark side at 27. Well this is something common at every hex, imo. Addictions is one of the many themes 27 talks about. A survey re addiction conluded that human seeking for the breast in many forms. Usually there is ONE source the people are addicted and in the cases a person seemed to have more that one addiction , gambling and drinking, for example , only one is prevailing.

Craving is present in hex 2,yes. Hunger, thirst, sturving, lust , etc and how this can be satisfied are themes of that hex, yet I don't see the dissasters you talk about here re families. I see in 27 a "stop and think". at least this is how it played out in a period of lots of hex 27 reading.
 

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