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onewaan

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Hello everyone,
I have stumbled upon this web site and community board while I was searching for interpretation of I Ching hexagram online. I'm a fresh learner and although this is a bit embarrassing, I got my I Ching hexagrams online....and although the web site provided me some basic meaning, I'd love to know more...if anyone out there is kind enough to jump in

My question: What's my prospect of finding love this year?
It's very simple and I've been single for several years now. I'm just curious :)

I got Hexagram 17 - Following (and web site said my first changing line is line 2, second is line 3)

Then it changes to Hexagram 43 - Break Through, Resolute, Determination (?)

Any advice and help on interpretation will be very appreciated.
Thank you.
 
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meng

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If you follow the rabbit down this hole, you may never come back to where you were. But you will emerge stronger.

Now, what to make of that? It's still always up to you to interpret. Do you follow your higher standards? I think so. Otherwise you probably wouldn't have stayed single. lol

I'm not saying to remain single, but to follow with the very best of your good senses.

43 has a lot to do with proclaiming who you are. "Letting your freak flag fly", as it were. So be yourself completely.

17, for me, always seems to lead to some place dark and unknown. Seems mystery is an important element written into the Play by someone somewhere.
 

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I think it could suggest perhaps you would settle for secound best.A relationship which is right for the moment ,but in the long run something better is waiting.
 

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Thank you Meng and mrmorrow for your interpretations.
I find them very intriguing. I never thought of that before but what you said make sense.
And mrmorrow...i think you may be right. Only that I haven't seen any sign of my second best yet! :)
 

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Hexagram 17 to 43

I agree that 'Following' has something dark and hidden about it in meaning.It des refer to that as well.However I take it to mean that we need to take our cues from nature--and--I beleive anyway--form out sense of what istruly happening.Follwing itself refers to trying to follow or chase something.
In your case, it is not a particular person you're chasing, but the idea of a relationship.
I always know 17 to mean (in any and all circumstances) that we would do well to follow our own best self.Our highest values and beleifs shouldn't be compromised if we're to succeeed and create a "following" of any kind.
That can mean a following of clients or a political party or one special person with whom we hope to find love.:)
To me the 2nd and 3rd lines are pretty self-explanatory:in the 2nd, it suggests that we 'let go of' the little boy --and the 3rd line suggests strongly that we follow the adult.
I would say this means moving or looking forward in your lie, but more emotionally and spiritually, we have a young or childish self and an older mature self.
*Not* to say that we should not enjoy fun and play and creativity--there would be no point in that!,right?--but that 'holding' to our wiser sef and more knowlegable self is the way to go.
Is there (maybe) something or someone you know is not healthy or truly indicative of your happier healthier self, but that you (for whatever reasons) aren't breaking free of or correcting in your life?(Correcting meaning straightening out old messes and hang-ups with family/friends, or within our own selves)
Because I get that feeling from this reading.
Especially #43, while it does mean 'be yourself' as was said, also it refers to facing up to a problem or addcition that we have to be prepared to stand up against.
And we stand up against not by running and fighting say--violence with violence--but by being honest and true to oursleves and to others.
I've a sense that at least, if there isn't a bad habit or addiction, there is some inner principles you will want to look within to committ again to,and then follow no matter what.
And if you meet someone(s) that may be appealing or attractive--you may only trust your feelings if you know you are trustworthy yourself.I certainly don't think you're not trustworthy either. But that this probably reading means 'trustworthy ' in the sense that you will not kid yourself about what is most important to you, nor compromise your (true) values if you meet someone who doesn't truly match your values and calibre.;)Be honest and real--first and foremost with yourself and then with prospective loves.:bows:
 

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Thank you very much, proserpine, for your contribution. I really like it.
It's interesting that you mentioned something about "unhealthy" habit or something that I should break free.
I don't quite know what it is exactly since i have not been in a relationship for a couple of years now. Have been in good term with my ex, who already sees somebody else.
But I guess it may be telling me not to fall for the wrong persons again (?). I have a few crushes over the past few years and even though nothing happened -- i did not act on it -- those crushes gave me quite painful experience because they were people I wasn't supposed to fall in love with.

I'm not sure where I Ching is leading me to. But I think it may take some time for the future to unfold and allow me to understand its meaning.

Thanks a lot! :)
 
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This is a very interesting reading, imo and very interesting responses too.
What line 2 and 3 say, it is what usually happens , when we choose to say yes or no to a relationship. We either follow the little child or the strong man.
The little child, if it is hungry, it can lead us to wrong paths but let it go is not that easy.

This “small child vs great man” theme of the lines you got, maybe is the answer you are looking for.
 
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Ah, but in love (and life), giving up the child isn't such a good idea. Curiosity, openness, playfulness, these are qualities that can attract love and keep it alive.
 
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No, no !!! I wasn’t suggesting that. Maybe I didn’t express myself clear. :eek:

The child’s qualities, is for me of vital importance. I agree with what you say.
By hungry child I didn’t mean not curious etc but a starving child that eats the first thing he/she finds to satisfy its hunger.
Sometimes, people make discounts to satisfy the need for love and affection and many times the results are dissapointing .
 
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Steve Jobs' in his commencement speech at Stanford College said
"Stay Hungry. Stay Foolish" Imo, one of the best wishes i have heard.
 

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I haven't read all other responses but got this recently 17.2.3 and took it as it would be preferable to follow the route of responsibility than the the route of lack of responsibility. Theres times to be a child and theres time to be an adult ..with both lines moving i think it asks you to consider that carefully with the emphasis on choosing the more mature way to act in this situation which may include making a declaration about it (43) Following the more responsible way worked well fo rme in my own concern, acting as the child in the situation would have, with hindsight been unfortunate. Resonsibilty/lack of responsibilty is the key thing in these lines that marks the child from the adult IMO

In regard to your question..hmmm..well if you are female it may be quite literal..don't go for immature irresponsible guys..perhaps you have in the past...or it may simply be asking you to consider the maturity of your own behavior as a factor in this. Perhaps you need to be a bit more serious about the matter, giving more thought to who you connect with. In terms of following i think somehow you need to openly show your allegiance, which may translate as preference to the more responsible/mature aspects in self and others. Possibly don't treat romance like a fun game this year..maybe sometimes its appropriate but maybe not now...I'm not saying it has been a game to you its just an idea
 
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Thanks maremaria and trojan.
I still can't decipher my I Ching answer and adapt it to my situation but i think it is very interesting and I look forward to seeing what will happen.

Here's my take: I Ching is suggesting that when you are single and looking -- and this maybe just me -- sometimes it makes you feel lonely enough to ready to jump in a relationship, even if it's not the healthy one and not with the right (childish) person. That's what i fear, but i keep warning myself not to let the feeling of loneliness overcome my judgment.

Another interesting point: Trojan says "Perhaps you need to be a bit more serious about the matter, giving more thought to who you connect with........In terms of following i think somehow you need to openly show your allegiance..."

I'm a lesbian and i'm only out to my small circle of friends. I don't do anything or send any so-called "vibe" to let people know i'm gay. And i don't even know how to anyway. I also can never tell which woman is lesbian or not. So basically, only men showed interest in me and i keep falling for straight women, which is the most painful part of this story.

So I don't know, it somewhat rings the bell.
 

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If you follow the rabbit down this hole, you may never come back to where you were. But you will emerge stronger.

Now, what to make of that? It's still always up to you to interpret. Do you follow your higher standards? I think so. Otherwise you probably wouldn't have stayed single. lol

I'm not saying to remain single, but to follow with the very best of your good senses.

43 has a lot to do with proclaiming who you are. "Letting your freak flag fly", as it were. So be yourself completely.

17, for me, always seems to lead to some place dark and unknown. Seems mystery is an important element written into the Play by someone somewhere.

Another interesting point: Trojan says "Perhaps you need to be a bit more serious about the matter, giving more thought to who you connect with........In terms of following i think somehow you need to openly show your allegiance..."

I'm a lesbian and i'm only out to my small circle of friends. I don't do anything or send any so-called "vibe" to let people know i'm gay. And i don't even know how to anyway. I also can never tell which woman is lesbian or not. So basically, only men showed interest in me and i keep falling for straight women, which is the most painful part of this story.

So I don't know, it somewhat rings the bell.

Wow this is very relevant now you explain a bit more, if you look back to Mengs first post....(not that being a lesbian is being a freak, just a figure of speech)

I think 17 is very much about easy flow, things carry you in 17, your own truth carries you , so that connections are natural, they are no great effort. Maybe the mature thing to do 17.3 is to 'come out' more about your sexuality, maybe that would ease the flow of your relationships a great deal, it can't be easy the way it is. Not that I've a clue how one does this but i think something is emerging with 43 here..perhaps if you 'come out' more you will actually release alot of pent up energy that will let the flow, flow and lead to love. Perhaps you need to be really open about who you are to free up your energy to pull in the love you need (again i don't know how you'd do this)
 

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Now I am assuming that you make your coin toss on May 13, 2009. But please tell me the date and time you make you coin toss, and the location in the world you reside?
Also, I assumed that you know what you are doing in order to get the right reading
My question for you is when you are asking the question, what do you mean by love? Do you mean a romantic relationship? or you are looking for marriage?

(I translate it back to Chinese... but I need all these answers from you to make an interpretation)
西元 2009 年 5 月 13 日 11 時 29 分  陰曆 98 年 4 月 19 日
時日月年  空 驛 桃 貴 羊
手動起卦  亡 馬 花 人 刃
戊戊己己  子 申 卯 丑 午
午午巳丑  丑     未

震木歸魂卦:澤雷隨       坤土五世卦:澤天夬

【六獸】【伏  神】  【 本  卦 】       【 變  卦 】
 朱雀        應妻財— —丁未土      丁未土 妻財— — 兄弟
 青龍         官鬼———丁酉金      丁酉金 官鬼———世子孫
 玄武 子孫 庚午火  父母———丁亥水      丁亥水 父母——— 妻財
 白虎        世妻財— —庚辰土 ╳ ——→甲辰土 妻財——— 兄弟
 螣蛇         兄弟— —庚寅木 ╳ ——→甲寅木 兄弟———應官鬼
 勾陳         父母———庚子水      甲子水 父母——— 妻財
 

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hi chiahsieh,

I tossed the coins on May 13 and i tossed them online (on a astrology site).
I live in Thailand and i tossed it around noon. I don't remember that well but it's between 11am - 3pm. I don't know what is required before you toss :p But I just concentrated on the question and quiet my mind. When I said love I mean romantic relationship. I didn't think about marriage.

Thank you.
 

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Dear onewaan,
from my posting, you probably can tell already that I interpret reading through a very different approach from others. I was wondering why your future half is female, because it just doesn't make sense... Anyway...I never seen reading like this I will try to do my best. This year will be a difficult year for you to be in true relationship for you are stuck in your current situation. You act hard to try to break free from it, but you have not been successful. Your circle of friends (female friends) is what prevent you from getting meeting someone and be in the real relationship. The i-ching told me that you have to actively searching for that person. It may sound funny, but your female friend is also the one who introduce you to your future love. Your future love is someone who has decent education background or she is the one who is quite good in talking, or she will be someone who do jobs dealing with a lot of paper works. She will be someone who support you a lot and help you out a lot. In fact she brings you good luck. She is possibly living in the big city or you may find her in the south direction. She may also possibly having the astrology of sheep. (the chinese astrology is only speculation) In the beginning you must put more effort into the relationship because she might appear to be colder than she really is, so you really need to warm her up. Yet as I said, you will have a very difficult time finding her this year, but she will appear if you look for her hard enough. You may have luck finding her beginning around October to December of this year, but try hard because this year of ox is simply not the best year for you in terms of relationship. Also, I really don't know where this come from, but I will just tell you what I saw. Beware of guys, brothers, or male friend, for they will give you trouble or their opinion will trouble you deeply.
 

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Accidentally put down posting twice, but I guess I'll just use it to say more. My point is you will have better luck in winter and after the year of 2009. Also, if you really do meet her, please be aware of year 2010. There will be a lot of things happen that might cause both of you to separate, but if you are able to last through 2010. I think you may find this relationship to be long lasting.
 
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Many Thanks! chiahsieh!
Well I noticed you have done something differently with my I Ching reading but I didn't think you would come up with so much information! which is great!
I'll keep that in mind and look forward to see the other 'female half' later when the time comes....hopefully things will work out like you said.
Many thanks again!
 

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chiahsieh, i have sent you a private message. could you take a look?
thank you
 

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