Not sure how to proceed...Hex 17

[newlife123]

There is a new person who works in the same building as me, not the same company just the same building. I often see her in the hall way or outside during my break and its been a few weeks now. She seems to be interested in me and shoes signs of nervousness when I am near. Like I would be sitting on the bench and she would go up to the trash can and through away some trash from her purse. Now there are plenty other trash cans closer o her.
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is just one example but there are others such as her pretending to walk by me just as I am going back into work. this has happened a few times. I believe she is both checking me out and letting me check her out. Certainly I could be reading into things but lets just assume I am not.
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I would love to approach her but she won't really make eye contact with me as she is too shy or nervous. I really don't know what to do.
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I asked Yi : What will transpire with this girl and I got hex 17 unchanging. I know that this is in general a good thing but from my reading of the text I am not sure how to apply it to my situation. How should I behave or should I even do anything? Should I do nothing and let things unfold? Should she be the one to initiate it?
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Pease help.

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Just a follow up:
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I saw her outside today again and I got the same kind of enigmatic behavior. So I asked the Yi how I should proceed and I got hex 47 Exhaustion/Hunger with no changing lines. So now I am a bit more confused. I am sure that the hex indicates that I am really in need to for romantic nourishment but doesn't really tell me how to proceed.

 

[Trojina]

Well if there is someone in your vicinity you would like to know better there is only one way to proceed isn't there ? You smile and say hi...or just smile....what else can you do Making eye contact is essential of course.

I just can't think of any other first step.......I mean what else can you do...juggle with oranges, feign a seizure to enlist her help.....?


If you can't get eye contact just start talking about something, anything, trash cans even. What's to lose....what is the worst that can happen ?

17 I think encourages you to follow your attraction and may include some deference to her lead. Well I guess you could say if she is making all these unnecessary trips to the trash can to get your attention she has given you a lead.


Don't worry, smile, say hi....offer her a donut or something. You work in the same place so you can just say something like 'hey where do you work here ?' or "excuse me can you put that in the trash for me" and hand her the empty donut bag Have fun....nothing bad can happen here can it ?

How should I behave or should I even do anything? Should I do nothing and let things unfold? Should she be the one to initiate it?

Oh ETA....look the same rules apply as ever IMO. Guys do the approaching...regardless of sexual equality or whatever still in the realm of courtship on the whole women prefer men to initiate...it's far more romantic and it's still just the way of things. I mean she's given you signals but to do more wouldn't feel right to a lot of women. I don't think you can expect her to initiate.....she's done a detour to a trash can near you what more do you want. She may be thinking "OMG is he ever going to make a move" of course she may not be interested but it doesn't matter.....be bold ....he who dares wins. Oh I suppose in 17 it says the man follows the girl so some might say she can approach you but frankly you waiting passively for her to approach is not a winning move IMO. If you wait for women to approach you may miss out on a lot of action . Women, speaking generally, like to feel desired, a bit of romance, a bit of wooing.....it's not romantic to expect her to approach you. I can see it can all be confusing with sexual equality and so on but I maintain in the realm of courtship things are pretty much as they always were....except everyone is more confused about how to proceed.

 

[newlife123]

Man Trojan.....
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Sheesh. Hmm....
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You're right. It is the man's place to initiate. If I can make eye contact with her next time I will smile gently and nod. Then I will run back here and plead for more of your help.

 

[newlife123]

Well, tried to make eye contact with her but she wouldn't. I know she saw me though. Dammit, I don't know.

 

[newlife123]

Does any one here have any good techniques for getting someone's eye contact?

 

[Trojina]

I find speaking to the person immediately gets eye contact and usually looking at them does too.

Are you kidding me here Newlife.....c'mon now do you seriously need a 'technique' to get eye contact ?

 

[anemos]

A bit old-fashioned but, evolutionary speaking, it works

 

[newlife123]

I normally don't but this one is different. Can't even break the ice without eye contact. Man I am just going to do nothing. I've tried a few times so now it's up to destiny I guess.

 

[newlife123]

Man this is nuts. So I see her today and I walk towards her and hope that I can make eye contact and say something but then she turns away. So I slow down my pace and just as she things I have passed by she turns around and we make like .,23 second of eye contact, barely enough to even register anything and that is it.
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So I just consulted the YI and go 38 unchanging Opposition.
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What the hell now??? More confused than ever!
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Ok, so I do another reading and ask how things will unfold with me and her and I get:
32.4 > 46.

Now either the Yi is punishing me for asking to much or it is telling me that she isn't in the position in her life to commit or test out relationships and if I just hold steady things will blossom. But then 32.4 means "no game in the field" so how would it become 46? No game in the fields means no nothing right? How should I move here?

Arghhh.

 

[newlife123]

I finally made eye contact!

Boy it was tough...
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I decided that today I would make eye contact with her no matter what. Even if it makes me look crazy. So I walk up to her and stand about 10 feet away and she is facing towards me but won't look at me. I do see her make small, quick glances at my person but no eye contact. So I just stand there and do nothing. Finally she looked up ant me and I smiled. She gave a nervous smile back and said hi. I smiled and nodded my head and went on. it wasn't a situation to start a conversation since she kind of had others around her but at least I did it!
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So I Just consulted YI and told it what I told you and asked what the result of this will be and this is the answer:
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57.2.3.6 > 8
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Please learned members give me your opinions. This could be huge for me if I make the right moves.

 

[forty two]

Thanks to all, I had great fun in reading this thread *lol*. Also thank you newlife 123 for your honesty. I`m female and found it very intresting so see your struggle *lol*. I will keep that in mind for the next time when I will be interested into a man

Are you elder than the girl? Hexagram 17 is about an elder man who made a younger woman follow him. This means to be correct, because we only shall follow the right (correct) persons and/or ideals. Show your interest, but don`t be too fast. I think for the moment it is enough. Wait for the next time, when you will meet her and watch her reaction. If she is looking at you then you can start a conversation for sure.

Hexagram 32.4>46
Normally 32.4 means: Forget it. But my experiance is: We have to see this changes as very temporary conditions and sometimes an oracle is total and definitely and sometimes it is just a very short condition and maybe already even over. The I Ching sometimes also shows the past, the present and the future same time.

A certain Hexagram and line can stand for a single moment and can just mean: At the moment there is no game in the field. Sometimes it helps just to wait one or two days and ask again. There have been changes in the meantime and thinks will work out better at another day. Sometimes it is that simple.

Hexagram 46. is a good sign. Wouldn`t be too much worry about the signs

57.2.3.6 > 8

I make it short: You are thinking too much about all. The resulting Hexagram is 8 and it is about holding together. Quote: Relationships are formed and firmly established according to definite inner laws.
Quote end. This is the important sentence.

You don`t need to do something for coming together with others. Just be open, relax. She knows that you are interested (well done by the way *lol*) and now check first if she is interested too, before you think about to do something. Be receptive for the moment and watch her reaction.

If she is interested the rest will be easy, you will see.

Best wishes Yvonne

 

[newlife123]

Thanks Yvonne,
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I am 41 and she looks like she could be anywhere from her late 20's to mid 30s. yeah I figured so much that the ball is in her court now.I really hope she has the courage to return my serve but there so many hidden factors that I don't know about. She could be married, dating, have a kid or simply not be interested.
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I can't help but to think a lot about this. I I feel I don't have that many chances anymore.

Karl

 

[forty two]

Hi Karl,
your name sounds german? Are you german?

That`s exactly the point: You don`t know anything about her, you even don`t know if you can love her, you know? She seems to be attractive for you because of reasons we can`t reveal here, but now you have to check out if she is really attractive for you.

Better go on step by step and check out the ground you are walking on.

I will write down the whole changes for you for having a better understanding of the situation:
57.2.3.6 changes to 53.3.6 this changes to 20.6 and finaly to 8.

The third line at hexagram 53. is the problem. Hexagram 53. is a marriage hexagram But the second and/or the fifth line are not changing, but the third and the sixth.

The third line at hexagram 53. means that someone is too fast and can`t wait for the natural developements. Normally the woman is meant with this line, but if I listen to your worries I suppose you are meant here The sixth line at hexagram 53. shows a wise and very well developed personality. Probably that`s the better way of acting. The change into 20 line 6 means to watch the situation. That`s why I gave you this advice.

Hexagram 8 is unchanged so this question is still open. It is a possibility, but we have to see what will happen.

Hexagram 32. line 4 is about someone who is looking for something (woman in this case) either at the wrong place or in the wrong way. If it is the wrong place then this relationship won`t be. If it is just the wrong way you could change something in your behavior for to improve the situation.

Unfortunately I`m not well enough in doing Wen Wang Gua analysis for other persons at my actual stage (don`t wanna make dramatical mistakes), so I only do readings (for others) according the usual way, but maybe you have got luck and Long Yi checks out your hexagram too. This could clear the case entirely.

Hexagram 57. is a six strike/six conflict hexagram which is (normally) not a good sign, but without full analysis I can`t say anything concrete, because the six strike can be eliminated under certain circumstances. At hexagram 32. there are 2 Officer Lines which could mean that there are 2 men. Can be that you have got a rival. That`s all I can say without a full analysis.

Apart from that: If she is not the right one, you will find another one, so relax. Here is a chance, something attractive but that is all so far and for the moment. Nothing more and as such you should handle this situation.

Maybe she opens up her mouth and you recognize that she is stupid, what then? *lol*. Understand?

Keep us updated

Best wishes Yvonne

 

[newlife123]

Hi Yvonne,
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I am oriental and so is she. I chose the the name Karl because my Chinese name is Ke (軻).
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I did get a private reading from long yi and he said almost exactly what you just said. He said to first let her know I am available which I pretty much did and second to try to find out if she is married or has a kid. I did glance into her car in the parking lot (haha) and didn't see any baby seats or children's stuff but then if she has a kid it could be older than the baby seat stage or living with the father or whatever.
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That's a good point about the stupidity Yvonne. In my opinion, conversation is the most important part of a relationship since if you look back on any long relationship, most of it was in conversation. It doesn't mean that me and her have to be intellectually equal, however, it is important that she has honest interest and curiosity toward my ideas and opinions and doesn't hesitate to ask questions when she doesn't understand me. But yeah you're right, there has to be some kind of intellectual threshold. My ex-wife, who I was with since 18 is as dumb as a raw egg. I spent 19 years talking directly into the toilet. Thinking back, we could have ended the relationship much earlier but just didn't know better. If I had only knew what I know now...
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Karl

 

[forty two]

Hi Ke

Hi Yvonne,
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I am oriental and so is she. I chose the the name Karl because my Chinese name is Ke (軻).

I definitely don`t understand!!!! Karl is such a boring old fashioned german name.......Ke is cool, why not Ke? I tried to translate it, but it seems to be a family name, your last name?

I did get a private reading from long yi and he said almost exactly what you just said.

I would be interested into what he said about the two Officer lines *lol*. But okay it seems there is hope, because if not he would have told you.

He said to first let her know I am available which I pretty much did and second to try to find out if she is married or has a kid. I did glance into her car in the parking lot (haha) and didn't see any baby seats or children's stuff but then if she has a kid it could be older than the baby seat stage or living with the father or whatever.

I see, you are a detective

That's a good point about the stupidity Yvonne.

Some don`t care about this point, but I`m glad to see that my words found a fertile field.

In my opinion, conversation is the most important part of a relationship since if you look back on any long relationship, most of it was in conversation. It doesn't mean that me and her have to be intellectually equal, however, it is important that she has honest interest and curiosity toward my ideas and opinions and doesn't hesitate to ask questions when she doesn't understand me. But yeah you're right, there has to be some kind of intellectual threshold. My ex-wife, who I was with since 18 is as dumb as a raw egg.

*Lol* sounds like my ex-man

I spent 19 years talking directly into the toilet.

I know this feeling

Thinking back, we could have ended the relationship much earlier but just didn't know better. If I had only knew what I know now...

I also know this feeling. Seems we have got a couple of things in common,haha. Good luck for the next trial

Best wishes Yvonne

 

[forty two]

Me again

Ke,
Allow me one question: You are Chinese? Originally Chinese? And you ask us (Clarity Community) for to explain you the meaning of your I Ching Oracles???? Can you imagine my confusion??? *lol*

Best wishes Yvonne

 

[newlife123]

Yes Yvonne I am Chinese. (She is Japanese by the way.)
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I've actually only became interested in the I Ching recently since my life fell apart and I needed answers. I am also a student of Jyotish (Indian Astrology). I came to the conclusion early that the Wen Huang Gua way of reading all 6 lines is the only way to go. Single line reading I can do myself but it is just too limited and inaccurate. The difference between 6 line and single line reading to me is like day and night. (By the way, I checked out your link on the book and will be buying it if it is still available. I am very interested in pre-Confucian Chinese society.)
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However, the I Ching is a mystery to the Chinese too. The text is very antiquated and to fully understand much of it you also have to be somewhat of a Chinese historian. Much of the things it refers to doesn't have modern equivalents such as "Receiving the audience of a king" or "gifts of gold and livestock". If you ever go to a Chinese bookstore you will see a much larger I Ching study section than in any western book store and besides that my Chinese reading is not fluent since I was raised in America.

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I am named after a famous swordsman/assassin named Jing Ke, which is interesting since I used to be a national level competitive epee and foil fencer. The reason I chose the name Karl is because it was hard growing up with a foreign name back in the 70s and 80s in America.
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I will paste for you what Master long yi said since he is a cool guy and I am sure he won't mind. Just to note his reading is very similar to yours and you both said that even if this isn't the right person that love coming to me is still a possibility or more likely, it is coming. Could you please elaborate?

Your reading:
起卦时间：2013年05月20日12时16分
起卦农历：癸巳年四月十一日午时
神煞：天乙—酉亥　福星—子戌　日禄—巳　羊刃—午　驿马—申　桃花—卯　华盖—戌
干支：癸巳年　丁巳月　丙戌日　甲午时
旬空：午未　　子丑　　午未　　辰巳


六神　 伏神 　　　震宫：泽雷随（归魂）
　　　　　　　　　【本　卦】
青龙　　　　　　　▅▅　▅▅　妻财丁未土　应
玄武　　　　　　　▅▅▅▅▅　官鬼丁酉金　　
白虎　子孙庚午火　▅▅▅▅▅　父母丁亥水　　
滕蛇　　　　　　　▅▅　▅▅　妻财庚辰土　世
勾陈　　　　　　　▅▅　▅▅　兄弟庚寅木　　
朱雀　　　　　　　▅▅▅▅▅　父母庚子水　

Line 6
She is not sure whether you are attached (line 6; female wei earth) and whether you have a female partner.
Line 5
You feel a connection to this female (line 3, female chen earth) and she is not approaching you.
Line 4 A marriage document with a child hidden behind it. The child line is the empty element under your house of marriage and year. This child does not concern your thoughts.
Line 2 A third party is connected to the relationship in line 4.
Line 1 The parent line is the zi water empty element under the house of spouse.

You must ask yourself and find out:
1. Make sure she know s that you are single.
2. Make sure you find out whether she is attached to someone in any type of relationship, and whether she has a child.
3. Both line 3 and 6 are yin line. Both parties do not have serious interest in starting a connection.
4. Hexagram 17 is a 50/50 hexagram. I do not think the person wish to stay with you to explore long term possibilities. She is in no such position.

From a quick Tarot relationship analysis, the last card is strength reversed. This is not the right partner

Finally, if you are single and draw a reversed Strength card in a love tarot reading, make sure you are not choosing the wrong love matches out of desperation. You may have to put more effort into your own life regardless of the fact you may not have a current partner. However, this doesn’t mean love won’t come your way. You just need to make sure that you can find your own sense of peace and acceptance regardless of the fact that you might not currently be in a romantic relationship.

It is not wise to make a move, but you can check whether she is available indirectly.

Long Yi

 

[forty two]

Hi Jing,

Yes Yvonne I am Chinese. (She is Japanese by the way.)

Sounds intresting

I've actually only became interested in the I Ching recently since my life fell apart and I needed answers.

Oh, I understand. I had this moment first time when I was 20 years old and therefore I deal with the I Ching since over 20 years.

I am also a student of Jyotish (Indian Astrology).

Intresting. I don`t know anything about it, but Clarity is huge, there is some space for a thread about it by time, if you like.

I came to the conclusion early that the Wen Huang Gua way of reading all 6 lines is the only way to go. Single line reading I can do myself but it is just too limited and inaccurate. The difference between 6 line and single line reading to me is like day and night.

Okay it is totally different and way more detailed that is right. But I hadn`t nothing else than the "normal" regulary text of the I Ching for the last 20 years and that also worked fine It depends on how experianced someone is in a certain divination technique.

If one is very experianced in the use of the text oracle, then he/she will be probably more accurate in doing this than a beginner in Wen Wang Gua which will make a lot of mistakes for sure. If someone is very experianced in WWG he/she probably will find out amazing details and someone who knows only the text Oracles will be very fascinated about the huge amount of possibilities in doing WWG.

For to have the full power of WWG one must be very, very experianced and known. Otherwise it works less well than intuitive divination of the pure text oracles. My strength at the moment is the regulary text of the I Ching, because I`m simply most experianced with that. Over the years I developed a "feeling", an instinct for the happenings behind the hexagramms and lines and so my readings concerning the text oracle will be more well and accurate than a half right trial of a WWG analysis.

This means: I don`t agree, because I can find out things only by the regulary use of the I Ching which I couldn`t find out with WWG (at least not now) and I can find out certain things with WWG which I absolutely never could find out by using the Text I Ching. For me both methods are the two sides of a coin and belong together. It completes each other. Apart from that the regulary meaning of a hexagram and its lines also plays a role in WWG. You can add it to your analysis or not. I mostly add it in a way for to have a deeper understanding.

(By the way, I checked out your link on the book and will be buying it if it is still available. I am very interested in pre-Confucian Chinese society.)

Does this mean you would be willing to learn Wen Wang Gua???? That`s really a shock, because I almost expected no one really wishes to learn it. I have to warn you: That`s hard stuff. Not for lazy ones or ones who like to do just half things. I had spent each minute off with learning for to understand at least anything!!! I`m still far beyond to be finished with my studies. I know how it works in basic, I can do, but to understand the own analysis and to avoid mistakes is another theme. But cool, start it, I`m glad that someone apart from Peterg. and me is interested into learning it Yes it is still available of course. We are talking about "The Secret Of Wen Wang Gua" right? If "yes" check out this too please. It is the same book review, but at another forum and the posts of the other members there are very intresting and the thread is also still active:

The Secret Of Wen Wang Gua At Five Arts Net

I`m Mojo there and you should sign in there if you wishes to learn WWG, because they have got a lot of material about the single parts of WWG. I suppose you are already able to read and understand the chinese calendar although you raised up in the United States?

However, the I Ching is a mystery to the Chinese too. The text is very antiquated and to fully understand much of it you also have to be somewhat of a Chinese historian. Much of the things it refers to doesn't have modern equivalents such as "Receiving the audience of a king" or "gifts of gold and livestock". If you ever go to a Chinese bookstore you will see a much larger I Ching study section than in any western book store and besides that my Chinese reading is not fluent since I was raised in America.

Ooooookay, that is surprising for me. I supposed the Chinese people grow up with an I Ching on their desk or so *lol*. I supposed that it would be similar to our bible. In almost each german family you can find a bible somewhere and if it is in the cellar or on the attic, but there is one. In fact the bible is also not easy to understand like we can easily see at the crusades Seems they didn`t really understand the meaning of to love each other So: The bible seems to be very puzzling too, lol.

I am named after a famous swordsman/assassin named Jing Ke, which is interesting since I used to be a national level competitive epee and foil fencer. The reason I chose the name Karl is because it was hard growing up with a foreign name back in the 70s and 80s in America.

Thanks for the information. I guess then Jing is right, if I wish to say your real name, is it?

I will paste for you what Master long yi said since he is a cool guy and I am sure he won't mind. Just to note his reading is very similar to yours and you both said that even if this isn't the right person that love coming to me is still a possibility or more likely, it is coming. Could you please elaborate?

Lol. As you already said: He is the master of us both. I`m just a student, a beginner and so I would never dare to doubt or complete his analysis. I can check it out too if you like, but don`t expect a different result, because I`m pretty sure that Long Yi knows what he is doing.

The reason why I said that I`m not sure if this is really the jackpot is more a kind of instinct and experiance by watching your hexagrams and lines (and not WWG because I didn`t make an analysis until now).

There is no clear sign for a possible relationship and mostly the I Ching is serious In other words: If there would be a very good and promising chance the I Ching would have told you for sure. But it is also not absolute pessimistic and so I would say: There is a chance, of course try it if you feel that it is the right thing and go for it. But keep in mind that success (hexagram 46.) also can mean here not to get into a relationship with this women. Count with everything that will be the right attitude here in this case, I guess.

I will check out the analysis of Long Yi but I will write you a PN then, if I feel there could be something helpful I will let you know and maybe you can ask Long Yi then about details. But I expect that I just will say the same. Apart from that Long Yi has got an own technique which is not entirely clear for me. His little secrets, you know *lol*. So: Don`t expect too much. I do it now for my own interest, for to learn something, so for me it is just: Practise. Keep that in mind please.

Best wishes Yvonne
PS: Nice photo. I wonder how you can have got problems to find a woman *lol*. You are probably too shy This one here is especially for you: No risk, no fun

 

[newlife123]

Yvonne,
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The I ching as you know is one of the 5 Chinese classics. Up till 60 years ago the majority of Chinese couldn't read and got most of the education through rituals and idioms. Things like the I Ching were reserved for scholars and fortune teller who are themselves scholarly.
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I am not shy not have had any problems with women or life in general until the last few years. According to Jyotish it is because I am going through Rahu Mahadasha and Sade Sati. All this should lift for me by the middle of this month.

I have created a thread on Jyotish for you here:
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...yotish-(Indian-Astrology)&p=175138#post175138
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Karl

 

[forty two]

Yvonne,
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The I ching as you know is one of the 5 Chinese classics. Up till 60 years ago the majority of Chinese couldn't read and got most of the education through rituals and idioms. Things like the I Ching were reserved for scholars and fortune teller who are themselves scholarly.

Thanks for the information. I didn`t know.

I am not shy not

Of course I have read this thread!!! *lol*

have had any problems with women or life in general until the last few years. According to Jyotish it is because I am going through Rahu Mahadasha and Sade Sati. All this should lift for me by the middle of this month.

Okay, I understand.

I have created a thread on Jyotish for you here:
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/frie...yotish-(Indian-Astrology)&p=175138#post175138
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Karl

Thanks, I will check it out

Best wishes Yvonne

 

[newlife123]

Wanted to give you guys an update,

She showed no interest after I forced initial eye contact with her and has been looking away aloofly every time I see her now. Her coworkers smile and giggle and move their mouths every time I walk by.
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Well that is it and I don't have time to play anyone's secret admirer. I am moving on and I sure hope I didn't make her feel too uncomfortable.