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innertruth

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Hi guys,
Are you familiar with this feeling when you are so in love with someone -
you are becoming delusional about their real personality and behavior and
cannot think critically.
So I asked Yi.....Please tell what is the truth....Did this person have real feelings
or what was it all about....

Got 30.2.5 to 1..

Would love to hear what you think...your experiences with those lines...
My first impression was clinging was there - something nice and warm...and then
confused about "clarity" or "eyes" images...Like whatever I might have thought that
day about relationship - is a clear understanding of situation? Or...
Wish i was a pro...
 

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30.2 → 14 (Great Possession), Crowley: Here's fortune - rightly placed and clothed in yellow.

I think his feelings are true, he is attracted to you, not obsessed (yellow/middle way).

30.5 That day he probably was just too emotional.

It's curious that 30.2 leads to 14, while .5 changes into its inverted version - 13.
14 obeys the will of heaven, keeps to himself while 13 mingles with others.

30 advises to be mean and just, avoid excess, keep clinging to something good.
I think you are overreacting and soon will realize the mistake (.5), keep calm, relax.
 

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Hi guys,
Are you familiar with this feeling when you are so in love with someone -
you are becoming delusional about their real personality and behavior and
cannot think critically.
So I asked Yi.....Please tell what is the truth....Did this person have real feelings
or what was it all about....

Got 30.2.5 to 1..

Would love to hear what you think...your experiences with those lines...
My first impression was clinging was there - something nice and warm...and then
confused about "clarity" or "eyes" images...Like whatever I might have thought that
day about relationship - is a clear understanding of situation? Or...
Wish i was a pro...

This looks like the capturing (30) of a very special moment of light. So I think something special happened yes. But is this the person you are yearning for who is not communicating with you ? I may have got it wrong but I've got the idea you have many threads concerning the inner torment you feel with this person. If so I want to say the cast here shows something of a very special quality. Those lines in 30 and the combination of 30 and 1. Maybe this was a glimpse of something almost sacred to you. I think I once had this cast for a dream I had where I met something very elusive but sacred. Such moments are quite rare and in ordinary life we often cannot find them again but they are still with us. Also as this seems sacred to you, well then it is. The fact that he may not be able to honour it or take that moment further does not mean your experience wasn't real. But bear in mind people often cannot live up to love, it's very hard.

I just read a novel where a young man lets his new wife leave since he knows no better. When he is older he realises what he gave up and how rare it was. I think it's so common that we just don't have what it takes sometimes to live up to what real love might require. I think we can even run away from it or we often don't recognise it when it's there. So if he cannot live up that special moment it doesn't mean it wasn't real. Perhaps if you feel he isn't going to resume a relationship you can comfort yourself by holding that moment as real ? I'm not sure of the situation, I may have gotten you muddled up with someone else but I think you seem to be putting yourself through a lot of torment. There is a thread in Exploring Divination on 30.5 which might be helpful.

But this is a beautiful cast and the lines indeed are like 2 eyes and I feel your take on it was spot on really. So I advise you to keep this cast as a special one to carry with you.
 

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Trojina, I am feeling so much support in your reply. Thank you.
Yes, it was me writing about same person here. And it brought me much sadness and guessing.
I asked trying to be neutral, very neutral. Without emotions because all I wanted to know was the truth.
Yes, it was a real thing for me. I don't know if it was for him, I always doubted what we had due to many
external factors and cliches in my mind.
That is why I kept doubting him. And after all, it was a torment indeed whether to follow my heart or to
follow these stereotypes that it cannot be real, and it's all in in mind.
So I wasn't sure what 30 meant..Is it like "Open your eyes- nothing there for you"...or not..

But it feels good you call it a good cast. Although still controversial. Because I "saw with my eyes" this glimpse of good feelings shared and doubts at the same time...Maybe it is both in reality..

Trojina, thank you for a beautiful story you shared..but it's so sad..why people cannot just be together..we live only once i mean in these circumstances..
 

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It is sad so maybe that's why you got 30.5. But I guess it is how we learn as human beings what matters and what doesn't. The saying is true 'we live and learn'. He may learn something through you, you may through him. Whatever has happened the cast doesn't look like it was an error. For one thing you now know the depth of your own feeling capacity, maybe you never felt so much before. Maybe that is a gift you will carry forward into another relationship if this person doesn't come back to you.

Just to clarify,if he has withdrawn from you I'm not encouraging you to keep on longing for him or reaching out, I'm saying your feeling is true so wrap it up, keep it safe within you. If he cannot reciprocate then that is how it is but it doesn't destroy the special times you had or make them unreal.

I feel 30.5 encourages you to express your sorrow to the extent you feel cleansed of it but still hold what was good inside you. Often when people can't be together they feel they must destroy all the good feelings but the trouble is bits of you get destroyed that way too. So I think you should keep your special memories safe within you, knowing they are special, feeling the sadness and then one day....well one day it will feel different.
 

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Thank you Trojina...<3 <3
You are very kind....Maybe 30 is karma...I dont' know..
Do you know by chance what does "yellow bird" symbolize in Iching readings or maybe in Chinese-history related symbolism?
 

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I think LiSe's work on 30 is helpful, you can find your way to 30 via the grid

http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/index.html

She calls 30 "to catch the bird of brightness" she writes there

Moments fly past like birds. You will have to catch them right now, to enjoy something when it happens, to seize an opportunity, to realize a flash of insight. Life is full of those bright little birds.
If you can seize them and care for them, they may turn into big things, feeding your life and soul. The sum of all those small things will make your life to a bright and shining one.
The mind can discern and catch those moments. It filters out what is not relevant by letting it slip through the net. The Bright Birds are what is relevant and visible.

Your moments were much like those birds
 

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Oh and speaking of birds, you probably saw this but I only saw it yesterday and it's irresistible given we are speaking of moments and birds

[video=youtube;vhezYYiTUm0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vhezYYiTUm0#t=5[/video]
 

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Trojina....that is just too cute, the video. Birds always signified some divine message right...always.....
Your suggested link is very helpful too. i love it. Lise's simple and applicaple comments.

Diamanda,thank you. That is a great resource about symbolic meanings, i long was looking for! All these symbols and how they relate.
 

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