Panic Attacks/Depression

[tange4]

Hello to everyone on this beautiful day here in Pennsylvania. I hope that it is beautiful where you are at as well.

Still trying to figure a few things out with IChing. If a relating hexagram is entirely black is one supposed to even consider it as an answer to the question you just asked? I have even and uneven lines in the relating hex but they are all black so they aren't considered changing because they are not lit up in red right? This would be the hexagram on the right looking at the screen. The left hex has red changing lines so I know that we are to heed those red lines, just curious about the role of the left hex in black with the even/uneven lines.

I asked "How or what can I do to help myself get rid of these gosh awful panic attacks and depression, there must be something I could do?

I received Hexagram 10 Treading>6,1
Wow what an accurate answer as to what these panic attacks/depression are like, it amazes me. BTW the black relating hex was 47

I would sure appreciate it if anyone cares enough to deal with my ineptitude in helping me to understanding this stuff. One great thing though is that some of the answers in first Hex cast (on left of the screen) gave very appropriate detail that even I could understand, so it's looking up.

 

[rodaki]

hi tange4,

I think you'd be far greatly helped here if you left aside the online readings and tried to get to know Yi manually first . . this way you'll grow an organic connection to your readings instead of trying to understand them in terms of its virtual design elements. Just take 3 coins and throw them 6 times and score the results starting from the bottom line:

Straight stable line for 3 heads
Straight changing line for 1 head
Broken stable fro 3 tails
Broken changing for 1 tail

Form the initial hexagram and then repeat its lines keeping the stable ones as they are and changing the others in order to get your relating hexagram.
Read general and changing lines' texts for your initial hexagram and only the general text ('introduction', Judgement & Image) for your relating (2nd) hexagram.


I know you probably think virtual readings are just as good (and way easier!) but the whole meditating+throwing process really makes a difference - especially when getting to know a form of divination


btw, your reading here probably was 10.1,6 to 47 (written this way makes it easier for us to recognize)


wishing you best of luck with it!

 

[ecovibrant]

this isn't regarding the reading specifically ((I am very new to iching too))

but, anxiety and depression I am very familiar with. It is mental energy that needs to be directed and disciplined. and yes, we DO have the power to do that! it is slow change.

Kundalini yoga has helped me immensely.

Additionally, there is a new current (that references old medicine) where nutrition is really the core and basis for so many of our contemporary psychological and physiological problems.
I suggest really looking carefully at your diet, and seeing a holistic nutritionist who can work with you to form a "diet" that is right for YOUR body. We all have different imbalances in our system, and they Can be balanced-- more often then not, without the awful anti-depressive drugs that are so often prescribed incorrectly. Google "Functional Medicine"

hope that gives some helpful leads... i'm in a bit of a evo-revo-lution myself, so i empathize and encourage you on your journey. You are NOT alone, and you CAN help yourself. But there is no avoiding it. You gotta go right into it until you get to the other side....

love and light.

 

[ecovibrant]

i asked the iching this morning, when my chest was burning up with pain

"How can I work through this pain?"
and it cast
Hex 52- The Mountain.

The ego has only one legitimate function -- to make choices: it is the switchboard in the psyche which directs where the energy of the instinctual powers shall go. If these autonomous forces are stronger than the will of the ego, they soon learn to get their way as often as possible. The main difference between an inferior and a superior man is that the latter has learned to control and direct his energies for a higher purpose. One of the best ways to acquire this ability is to learn the lessons inherent within Keeping Still.

Psychoanalysis has demonstrated that the power of these images and complexes lies chiefly in the fact that we are unconscious of them, that we do not recognize them as such. When they are unmasked, understood, and resolved into their elements, they often cease to obsess us; in any case we are then much better able to defend ourselves against them.
Roberto Assagioli -- Psychosynthesis

http://www.jamesdekorne.com/GBCh/hex52.htm

This is what Kundalini yoga gives me keys to.... everyone has their own entrance points into their stillness. the inner work is the hardest of all. But once you own it-- once you own yourself!- goodness! could you image the freedom.....

 

[tange4]

Amazing!

Ecovinbrant, I truly appreciate all you did by looking up the Gnostics page for me and your comments to help me. That was truly a long page to ponder over but I got most of the gist of it. The mountain/keeping still kind of idea is what I truly need as there are about 40 million thinking patterns going off in my head at any time and keeping still might help me to be able to concour (sp?) help me with control of the panic........I am going to look up the type of Yoga that you mentioned and see if I can glean any truths for myself in order to incorporate them.
You people here are great because you give of your time and yourselves to care about others, so thank you very very much!:bows:

 

[bamboo]

I also Could not imagine a better answer to your question about panic attacks and depression that the one you got, Tange. It is indeed like stepping on the tail of a tiger when you go through that spiraling journey. In panic attacks especially, it is important to keep your wits about you. Name it. Naming it puts you somewhat in control. Then remember, as Hilary says in her book, that you don't have to wrestle with the tiger...rather outsmart it, by treading softly and respecting the power inherent in it.

And there is a power there you can claim - become the tiger tamer. I also love that you got line 6.....others have walked this way before you. Draw strength from that...and know you are capable of coming full circle, back home, like an initiate, stronger and with gifts to share. Panic attacks are often the recycling of a trauma....so the ability to come full circle is the blessing needed.
47 feels like being enclosed....and yet it can also teach you self-reliance, and the ability to transform adverse feelings into a different kind of energy.

It is sometimes helpful to establish for yourself an animal totem- image...one that fills you with strength, and one you can bring to mind when feeling anxious or panicky. Maybe the tiger in this case could be yours...a tiger you make friends with Or use an animal that speaks to you personally. I have a board game about trauma and panic attacks...and at the beginning of the game, each player gets a small plastic little animal figure to act as a guide and totem.

Wishing you the best!

 

[tange4]

Just got to your answer here to me Bamboo and it is so refreshing and applicable to my panic situation, your reply that is. You said to name it, naming it puts me somewhat in control. Ironic, Blows me away! as my sister told me that very thing a week ago! Her son was having mental problems (many in our family have them) and the advice from his therapist was to NAME IT and say these words. "I AM IN CONTROL HERE" Caps for emphases only. Blows me away, wow!
And it is great what Hilary said in her book as you mentioned above, don't wrestle with the tiger, rather outsmart it. I guess I am outsmarting it every time I name it and say I am in control..........actually it comes down to taking verbal action and believing that I am doing something so constructive to help myself gain control over this terrible situation which won't seem so terrible after I do get it conquered. Thank you ever so much for your kind words for my problem Bamboo. God bless.