Potential to Develop Friendship/Romance: 53.5>52

[marybluesky]

I read this post of rosada a month ago where she says:

So if your feeling is, "Oh, to have a nice partner someday..." your unconscious isn't getting a clear enough signal as to what the goal is and so you won't be made aware of possibilities. Making a list as to what you are looking for in a partner can be magical. Write out ten qualities - age, education, interests etc. - you are looking for and notice who shows up. Maybe not the love of your life but you will start to recognize how your outer experience does mirror your inner intention.

I took the advice [though I wasn't the querent], soon made a list and guess what? In a couple of hours, two guys showed up, like the devices that appear on SHAREit application radar! Magical indeed. I was particularly surprised why I had never thought about the one who's my friend's friend.
So I found a pretext to contact him. I had heard from our common friend that he's introvert, shy; so I didn't expect this guy to easily open up, neither to meet up soon. He replied very nicely. We didn't really chat, just exchanged a few messages and he passionately agreed to be a member of our small mountain hiking group, however wasn't at ease with meeting me alone.

At this moment, I prefer to take the friendship path before starting a romance, so am not in any hurry to date this guy. I'm determined to form a dynamic relationship with a good potential for deep connection and intimacy, and need a guy wanting the same. That said I asked the I Ching:
Is it a good idea to consider him a potential date? and got 53.5 >52.
The answer seems to resonate with my idea: a very long process that ends well. The previous threads about this line confirm it. Interesting to have received the hexagrams that indicate flying toward high mounds (53) and the mountain (52) as we're likely to meet in the mountain hiking group . Great patience is needed.

I just visited De Korne website and noticed some not-so-positive notes:
"Siu: Because of the calumny of deceitful people, the man is misjudged while advancing into a high position. Although reconciliation and progress result eventually, nothing is achieved in the interim."
"Wing: As you gain an ever greater position of influence, you become more and more a target for attack. Deceitful people may slander you, or you may even be misjudged by those closest to you. Because you are isolated, nothing meaningful can be accomplished. Eventually communications will be established and good fortune will follow."
What do you think of my reading? Does your experience about the line confirm the negativity mentioned on the notes? Any other thoughts?

 

[MeltingPot247]

Hi Mary,

From what you said about him not wanting to meet with you alone it is sounding like he is very cautious for some reason. Being an introvert/ shy also seems to indicate that he enjoys his alone time which reflects the context of hexagram 52 Still / Mountain.

53. 5 Slow gradual progress.

Line 5 The wild goose gradually draws near the summit. For three years the woman has no child = in the end progress. Good fortune. Changes to (52) Keeping Still.

Commentary: While you make progress toward your goal this can bring about jealousy and opposition. You must continue to work diligently toward your aspiration knowing that by Keeping Still and doing the work you will reach your goal - Cafeausoul

It sounds like friendship should be the primary focus/goal - as dating is an agenda that could wait until trust, confidence and understanding in and of one another has been established.

Are others interested in him that you know of, is he single?

Love and light,
From me to you x

 

[becalm]

Hey marybluesky - I think Line 5 is suggesting to remain independent that way he won't feel like you're 'chasing' him in anyway, Not that it sounds like you are but he may read things differently if he's being cautious.
Your relationship desires sound like perhaps you've either had some kind of connection like this in the past with yourself or another and that if you open yourself up to change (which is sounds like your doing) this desire to connect will just come along.

 

[marybluesky]

Thanks friends!

Are others interested in him that you know of, is he single?

I don't know.

Your relationship desires sound like perhaps you've either had some kind of connection like this in the past with yourself or another and that if you open yourself up to change (which is sounds like your doing) this desire to connect will just come along.

Yeah the great love of my life has been a friend.

 

[legume]

i like the context of hiking for this reading, so fitting and i agree with your interpretation, it sounds like it will take time to build the foundation first. searched through my more recent notes and had line 5 with other changing lines either when asking about people whom i had some argument with or asking for advice regarding apartment - in both cases the casts seemed to be saying - time will sort out any misunderstandings, eventually there will be progress.

in terms of the situation i wonder if the not-so-positive notes, as you say, could just point to slight complexity of all this, considering it's a friend of a friend maybe? as in, only over time the situation can settle so that everyone feels comfortable with, well - the change or a new progression of things. i would probably read it as: everyone stays the same (52) but at the same time, there's a new slow development taking place, where nothing can hinder the woman's intention (53.5)?

 

[marybluesky]

Ten days later: nothing has happened

I asked: Does he even think about approaching me? and got 62.2.4> 46
62 means not to expect any great movement and prefers to come step by step (46).
62.2: "Wilhelm/Baynes: She passes by her ancestor and meets her ancestress. He does not reach his prince and meets the official. No blame." He prefers to meet someone else he finds easier to communicate.
62.4: "Wilhelm/Baynes: No blame. He meets him without passing by. Going brings danger. One must be on guard. Do not act. Be constantly persevering." Another indication that he's being cautious, so takes no important action.
Any thoughts?

P.S: As a fiery girl I'm not sure if waiting for such a type is good for me

 

[legume]

this reading makes me wonder if he's maybe just afraid of overstepping some boundaries of friendship, regarding your common friend, as 62.4 would suggest? 62.2 possibly meaning he's looking forward to seeing you again in the group of people, where guys still can be guys with the guys, and girls stick together with the girls... but overall i would read it as - he's pushing upward by a lot of small steps.

Does he even think about approaching me? and got 62.2.4> 46

i'd say yes. maybe you're on his mind a lot, it's not yet some grand idea though, but rather just many little thoughts?

 

[marybluesky]

this reading makes me wonder if he's maybe just afraid of overstepping some boundaries of friendship, regarding your common friend, as 62.4 would suggest?

No idea. The common friend is male by the way.

62.2 possibly meaning he's looking forward to seeing you again in the group of people

He was indeed eager to bring his friends into our group and meet up.

but overall i would read it as - he's pushing upward by a lot of small steps... maybe you're on his mind a lot, it's not yet some grand idea though, but rather just many little thoughts?

He is a bookworm; can be the typical shy, imaginative type. If so, the absence is likely to intensify his romantic feelings without being always sensed by others. I hope so!

 

[diamanda]

53.5 the woman for three years doesn't get pregnant, and then finally she does. Is this you? Have you been thinking of becoming a mother for the past few years? If so, then this bodes well. If this is not you, he has a girlfriend/wife and they're trying for a baby (or at least the woman is).

Does he even think about approaching me? 62.2.4 > 46
It doesn't really look like it I'm afraid, other than a hello in passing. So if you are the woman in 53.5, you'll need to put in all the effort with this guy and aim to get pregnant with him.

 

[long yi]

Hex 53.5 to 52 romance analysis
Time domain
Hai water year: (void: chen earth, si fire)
You metal month: (void xu earth, hai water)
Wu fire day: (void zi fire, chou earth)

53.6 / officer mao wood – guest; 52.6 office yin wood - host
53.5 / parents si fire hides wife zi water change to 52.5 wife zi water
53.4 // brother wei earth; 52.4 // brother xu earth
53.3 / child shen metal (host); 52.3 / child shen metal (guest)
53.2 // parent wu fire; 52.2 // parent wu fire
53.1 // brother chen earth; 52.1 // brother chen earth

Concerning relationship, Hexagram 52 is a six strike hexagram: conflict between line 1 & 4, 2 & 5, 5 & 6. Since host is 52.6 officer yin wood ad guest line 52.3 is child shen metal. Metal and wood conflict. Both are yang lines. There cannot be compromise.

52.3 is movement line on the go. Child line is the female soul. Since this is a guest line, he thinks that you are out of reach.
52.6 host is you and officer is him. Sixth line is far away. You think he is out of reach.
52.6 host officer (him) produces 52.5 wife zi water. He pursues another female who is not you.

The genetic code for Hex 52 is UCG which embeds the amino acid serine. To consider love and romance, the amino acid is dopa wherein the OH of serine is replaced by 3,4-dihydroxyphenyl. Based on fundamental science, serine will not fit the active site of tyrosine hydroxylase enzyme to give dopa. No dopa and then dopamine means no love and romance.

The nuclear hexagram of Hex 52 is hex 40 dissolution
40.6 // wife xu earth
40.5 // office shen metal (guest)
40.4 / child wu fire
40.3 / child wu fire
40.2 / wife chen earth (host)
40.1 // brother yin wood

You think that he is not available (40.2 wife line as host line chen earth)
He thinks that you are not available (40.5 officer line shen metal).
Perhaps there is a misunderstanding.

Hex 53 main hexagram shows a different picture.
53.6 is guest line officer mao wood. He think of his career and himself.
53.3 child line shen metal is host line. You think of how you can control the male. Child suppresses officer.
As a result, there is no chemistry and you (tiger) and him (bird). This means disagreement.

The interference is 53.5 change line parents (relationship si fire (year void). It changes to a female. In that relationship, the hidden line is a female zi water which is day void and day conflict with the house of spouse. He has his own problem with another female, but it does not affect your situation.

Hex 52 is mountain on mountain. It is a still picture without progress.

XiaoShing Iching
If we proceed to XiaoShing Iching house analysis, we assume that you are single and available. The house of 3 zhen wood is used in the analysis (Hex 27). Ken earth – Zhen wood forms Hex 27. The male is strong and controlling. Ken means obstruction. You have to re-evaluate his role and value as a potential friend. You should not waste your youth and time on a potential relationship that cannot solidify into something real. The Chi points upward. This means you have to follow and cannot lead in this relationship.

House of 5 is Hex 55 and you must also follow because Chi points up – Go status.

Hex 55 means relationship has peaked and downhill is round the corner.

Posted by Long Yi
T5Elementals.

 

[marybluesky]

Thanks Long yi. I haven't had my casts read in this method before.
As you mentioned the time domain, I guess the interpretation would be different if the cast was done in a different time?

Please interpret another cast in your method, if you will:
What prevents my relationships from forming? 32.6>50
That I'm not patient and don't let the ingredients boil and mix well?

 

[marybluesky]

Oh long yi's interpretation caught my attention so much that I forgot to tell the news:

I started chatting with this guy some 3 days ago. He looked enthusiastic and replied with detailed answers, then offered me to work on a project (editing a book) for his employer and asked if I was willing to go and take the book from him. I wanted to know more about paying conditions so didn't give an immediate answer. Last night he informed me about the conditions of contract, and said the author has decided to modify the book before having it edited; so the idea is backburnered for now.

 

[long yi]

Time domain

Quote from marybluesky

As you mentioned the time domain, I guess the interpretation would be different if the cast was done in a different time?

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Like the financial market stock prices, events change by the minute and second. The reading casted is a fix parameter. Its interaction with the time domain produces a different picture into the future analysis of the same hexagram. Normally, Iching readings are for immediate situation, but you can use the same reading to analyse events up to 9 months.

Again, like the financial market, there is immediate, short term (2-6 weeks), medium term (up to 9 months) and long term for statistical analysis of daily market trend of stock. Out of that, the analyst provides bearish, bullish rating etc.

For example, is a hedge fund decides to short a blue chip stock, the price goes down and then goes up again later. If it is dividend time for ex-dividend day, prices will go up and become stable. Stock prices fall normally after the ex-dividend data (example, BNS recently)

In your situation, you can time forward the same reading to see now.
Time domain 9/18/2019
Hai water year: (void: chen earth, si fire)
You metal month: (void xu earth, hai water)
Wu fire day: (void zi fire, chou earth)

Time domain 10/02/2019; 7:55 a.m. Eastern Time
Hai water year: (void: chen earth, si fire)
You metal month: (void xu earth, hai water)
Shen metal day: (void xu earth, hai water)

53.6 / officer mao wood – guest; 52.6 office yin wood - host
53.5 / parents si fire hides wife zi water change to 52.5 wife zi water
53.4 // brother wei earth; 52.4 // brother xu earth
53.3 / child shen metal (host); 52.3 / child shen metal (guest)
53.2 // parent wu fire; 52.2 // parent wu fire
53.1 // brother chen earth; 52.1 // brother chen earth

Now pay attention to line 53.4
53.4 // brother wei earth; 52.4 // brother xu earth
Brother means working partner. He advances from wei earth (9) to xu earth (11).
Xu earth is month void under the month (house of relations), and month void under the day (house of spouse). This means he cannot be a partner when it is void.

The time domain for Oct 1 is
Time domain 10/02/2019; 7:55 a.m. Eastern Time
Hai water year: (void: chen earth, si fire)
You metal month: (void xu earth, hai water)
Wei earth day: (void xu earth, hai water)

On the day of wei earth (Oct 1), the line 53.4 event becomes real because it is brother wei earth. Brother advances and become void. He is not interested as a partner in work and other situations.

On Oct 8 2019, 23;25 hr, the month will change to xu earth
If we use Oct 9 2019 8:07 a.m.
Time domain
Hai water year: (void: chen earth, si fire)
Jia wood Xu earth month: (void shen metal, you metal)
Jia earth Mao wood day: (void void shen metal, you metal)

53.6 / officer mao wood – guest; 52.6 office yin wood - host
53.5 / parents si fire hides wife zi water change to 52.5 wife zi water
53.4 // brother wei earth; 52.4 // brother xu earth
53.3 / child shen metal (host); 52.3 / child shen metal (guest)
53.2 // parent wu fire; 52.2 // parent wu fire
53.1 // brother chen earth; 52.1 // brother chen earth

The child line 53.3 / child shen metal (host); 52.3 / child shen metal (guest) is now day and month void.
52.3 is guest line child shen metal. Child in your soul. Guest line is him. He does not think of you because from his mind, your soul is day and month void in this relation.

53.4 // brother wei earth; 52.4 // brother xu earth
The brother line is now xu earth which is the same as the month, known as month commander. The brother (new partner) is gaining very strong ground and sits in your host of relations. You have been bumped out of it for the month of xu earth.

The time domain analysis concluded that you cannot win over the person in the month of xu earth. If he is a romance stock, the rating is bearish and the value keep dropping until Oct 16 2019 when the month is xu earth and day is xu earth.

Time domain Oct 16 2019
Hai water year: (void: chen earth, si fire)
Jia wood Xu earth month: (void shen metal, you metal)
Bing fire xu earth day: (void wu fire, wei earth)

53.2 // parent wu fire; 52.2 // parent wu fire
The relationship line parent wu fire is now void under the house of spouse. It is now the Fall. Fire is not strong in the fall because we get less sun and heat externally.

When I have time, I can check the other reading. Hexagram 50 means a triangle relationship wherein one of the party wins and another party retreats. The winner has to bounce out the rival under the process of addition – elimination chemical reaction or substitution reaction. It is not recommended because another person can come along and bounce the winner in the future as a possible guess. It is not a SN1 type of separation wherein the male is fully available to consider you as the only person in the scene.

Hex 32 means a male and female meets at an intersection. One goes in the north – south direction and the other goes in east – west direction. The encounter is brief and there is nothing permanent because each party has to go to a different place.

 

[hilary]

Hi @long yi ! Please could you edit your signature to add a link that explains the method you use?

 

[long yi]

Hi @long yi ! Please could you edit your signature to add a link that explains the method you use?

Hi Hilary,

As an inventor in my professional life, I invented the iching method of analysis myself. You will not find any literature link on the web. This is probably the first time that I disclose this particular approach in the public domain. I have written two books two years ago, but they have not been published in the public domain and I do not have a public website yet.

Eventually, I will teach the methods and illustrate the analysis method with examples. Please be patient. My current area of practice includes bazi, purple star, iching (xiaoshing, taishing, six yao, ho lock, plum flower, trigram, DNA, wang chi) and tarot analysis. The future plan is to integrate all of the above and more into a single technology platform and data mining exercise to predict the outcome of events.

At a personal level, it restores peace and harmony of the querent who come forward with a problem. At a financial level, it predicts the price of a stock before it crashes big time. For example, TD bank price drops 2.5% on Tuesday, 3.3% on Wednesday so that my prediction can help folks to sell the stock a few days in advance and watch the news and events without any financial losses. Iching mathematics are applied.

Most of English iching learners used fixed text method written by the author of a book. It confines the analysis because each author is subjective and ignore basic scientific theory’s integration into an analysis of the six lines.

One hexagram can evolve into five hexagrams under plum flower method, eight hexagrams under xiaoshing method for a simple reading. The second issue is when there are multiple change lines, which one should one use etc. I have found the explanation. Under Ho Lock iching, a birthday can evolve into the life time prediction of a person’s life (good and less favorable time) with one hexagram per year and also the cycle luck of 6 and 9 years.

In 2006, I invented the method of bazi (time of reading) integration of the reading time to connect to a reading to decode relationship embedded in the hexagram. As time domain changes by the day, we see a different picture each day. This benefits the analysis of stock trend when it is integrated with iching mathematics cycle time of rise and fall of commodity prices for investment purposes.

Thank you for your support and offering us to use your shared reading community.

Long Yi
T5Elements (Name of my study group)

 

[hilary]

Hi Long Yi,

OK! A link where people could learn more would be ideal, but at a minimum, please put something in your signature to explain where your reading ideas come from. To avoid confusion, it's important that people understand these are not conclusions you can draw from ordinary readings.

Something like, 'I analyse readings using my own method, which integrates [list methods/ influences]' would be fine. You're welcome to add a link later as soon as you have one. (And if you want, you can start a thread in Exploring Divination to explain the basics of how you work, and link to that.)

 

[marybluesky]

The time domain analysis concluded that you cannot win over the person in the month of xu earth. If he is a romance stock, the rating is bearish and the value keep dropping until Oct 16 2019 when the month is xu earth and day is xu earth.

Time domain Oct 16 2019
Hai water year: (void: chen earth, si fire)
Jia wood Xu earth month: (void shen metal, you metal)
Bing fire xu earth day: (void wu fire, wei earth)

53.2 // parent wu fire; 52.2 // parent wu fire
The relationship line parent wu fire is now void under the house of spouse. It is now the Fall. Fire is not strong in the fall because we get less sun and heat externally.

Today is October 16th. Ironically, there was a terrible fall in stock prices in my region yesterday

 

[marybluesky]

Update: the messages we exchanged grew in number & quality little by little, we met once, he talked about his life & I learned where he lives, we started to send interesting social media posts for each other.
He wanted to see me this weekend that I couldn't accept as I was supposed to be elsewhere.
Really the things seem to "progress gradually".
I just took a look at my initial post & what Wing said about the line: "Eventually communications will be established ." Yeah, that's what's happening.

 

[marybluesky]

UPDATE:
Last evening he was trying to convince me that an "open marriage" would be a good option.
I met him a few times during last months, and every time he talked about how I needed an intimate relationship to go out of my frozen state, which isn't a bad advice on itself, however I don't think he has feelings for me, and believe that the marriage thing- with emphasis on the "open" part- is discussed for its financial facilities.
I have been an advocate of casual relationships, I know. But casual is casual. If I marry or fall in love, I need exclusivity in order to find emotional security & satisfaction.

 

[MeltingPot247]

UPDATE:
Last evening he was trying to convince me that an "open marriage" would be a good option.
I met him a few times during last months, and every time he talked about how I needed an intimate relationship to go out of my frozen state, which isn't a bad advice on itself, however I don't think he has feelings for me, and believe that the marriage thing- with emphasis on the "open" part- is discussed for its financial facilities.
I have been an advocate of casual relationships, I know. But casual is casual. If I marry or fall in love, I need exclusivity in order to find emotional security & satisfaction

Edited to instead just say - all the best...

Maybe in practicing stillness with ourselves regularly it makes our journey progressing with others gradually over time easier.

Back with the original reading and time, it seemed not much was happening - but for it to jump to this... One day the open aspect he seems to push will be less important to him some day and you both may end up on the same page, even if long into the distant future - especially if you are true to yourself and when you fully believe and practice exclusivity over casualness, like how you say on your latest update...

- I could take a leaf from that book of yours too... when considering pros and cons of open relationship vs open marriage or the traditional more commonly accepted kinds, finding out why one may seem more beneficial than others and for whom... not just for a potential couple or throuple etc, but for everyone around them.

 

[marybluesky]

Thanks MeltingPot!

Wish you didn't edit it
I'm thinking about it, yes. I don't know if I can handle it, but can't deny that my interest to the unconventional ways of life led me here.

 

[Trojina]

UPDATE:
Last evening he was trying to convince me that an "open marriage" would be a good option.
I met him a few times during last months, and every time he talked about how I needed an intimate relationship to go out of my frozen state, which isn't a bad advice on itself, however I don't think he has feelings for me, and believe that the marriage thing- with emphasis on the "open" part- is discussed for its financial facilities.
I have been an advocate of casual relationships, I know. But casual is casual. If I marry or fall in love, I need exclusivity in order to find emotional security & satisfaction.

Quite. Nothing will destabilise you and mess with your head at this point in your life than a man who is a robber fundamentally. He may not be a bad person but he is being emotionally dishonest and possibly exploiting your emotional vulnerability.

I mean what does he actually think he is offering ? He is offering nothing. He wants you to be part of some second rate contract he calls 'open marriage' . Then he says you need an 'intimate relationship to get out of your frozen state ? '. Right so he is Mr Medicine who will do you a real favour by having sex with you and 'healing' your 'frozen' state and making you one his many wives....Huh what a twit..He may not be a twit but he is offering you nothing and I think he is trying to exploit the emotional vulnerability you are in right now.


I've seen it all before, it's an old old story and no don't let yourself be robbed. 53.5 says you will get a true union in time, you don't need to throw yourself away on him.


As I said on the other thread what is the point or purpose of 'open marriage' it's a contradiction in terms. May as well not bother marrying at all if it's 'open'. Many women have fallen for this kind of 'unconventional' spheel but the truth is it's not unconventional, it's been happening as way to get ripped off in relationships for many many years.

 

[marybluesky]

Thanks Trojina.
I wish the true union to be with somebody else of course.