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Hi again forum. :) Well, a little background info on the situation. I was on the depo shot for birth control but had unprotected intercourse after the 'expectoration date' three times. Generally it may take a few months before you ovulate again so chances of pregnancy are low right after the depo shot expires but it is possible. Anyways, about 2 weeks after the first time I had unprotected intercourse I started bleeding very lightly. I thought/think it might be implantation bleeding.

I asked the iChing if I am pregnant and the answer I got was hex 25. Unfortunately I lost the paper where I wrote down my lines but I am pretty sure there were no unchaging lines. I'm not really sure what this means. I am thinking either the iChing doesn't want to answer because it's not something I should be asking that way OR maybe instead of addressing my question it is addressing my thoughts about the possibility of being pregnant (my religious and general moral beliefs make me feel strongly against abortion but I have been seriously contemplating it since I started thinking pregnancy might be a possibility). But perhaps I am missing an answer?

I also want to note something else. Before I started bleeding I did ask if I might become pregnant and I am not 100% sure but I think I got hex 34 (ironically enough, thunder over heaven). It didn't make sense and I dismissed it because I thought even if I WILL become pregnant I probably technically am not right now so perhaps the iChing can't or won't answer.

Please let me know your thoughts. Or do you think I should ask just one more time? The other 2 times I was incredibly nervous. And I am NOT saying that to keep asking until I get the response I want but rather because I want to tell you the full details of my answer.
 

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Hi Lovely,

Do you want to be pregnant? If not, what a frightening time for you. Whether you want to be pregnant or not, my heart goes out to you. I am not sure I am the correct person to answer this question as I am really new to the I Ching. But I REALLY think you should get a home pregnancy test, set up an appointment with a health professional (maybe whomever you got the Depo shot from), and then recast your questions (while you are waiting for the test results and appointment). I have a lot of difficulty interpreting readings when I know exactly what lines I received. Also, for question as important as yours, you should always do all the practical things you can (get home pregnancy test, set-up appointment), and then worry with the I Ching. That is what I do anyway.

Please let me know how everything goes...Now I am terribly worried for you.:hug:

Chibi Chan
 

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Hi Chibi Chan :)

Thank you so much for your time and your advice and your concern. As for why I turned to the iChing, it's kind of early for me to get a pregnancy test right now, even if I was the results would be negative. Also, I can't keep going to the doctor again and again so I will wait until the results are likelier to be precise. I know it's very ambitious of me to ask the iChing this kind of question but this is so important and something that is really troubling me and for a couple of weeks there is absolutely nothing I can do about this to even know if I am or am not. I thought I'd turn to the iChing because right now I CAN'T turn anywhere else. Well, I have turned to health forums as well. :p But don't worry, as soon as the time for the pregnancy hormones to build up (if they are even there) has passed, you bet I will purchase 5 pregnancy kits.

I am really hoping my hex is telling me to remain innocent because it's nothing to worry about. :-s
 

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Do you think this question was completely out of line and I shouldn't have asked the iChing?
 

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Hi Lovely,

I think asking the I Ching is completely appropriate when you're totally freaked out/anxious/whatever. Just poke around this site. People do it all the time. Here's a few pointers that I try to remember when I cast a reading (particularly when I'm anxious). Write down the question. Try to make it an open ended question (what I mean is not a yes/no question). Write down the answer with all changing lines. Try interpreting it yourself and see how it goes. If you're confused...post it up on the site. I could go on and on but I think Hilary has some really great advice here.

Good luck. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.

Chibi Chan
 

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Chibi Chan, thank you so much for your tips and advice, that will definitely help me with my future iChing reading and general iChing comprehension! :) I have also thought about starting an iChing journal with my questions, answers, interpretations, and then with the actual outcome to help me with my interpretations, that way I can see when I am correct and when I am not, I can see where I went wrong.

I know you said you aren't sure what my hex means in relation to my question but would you mind giving me your honest opinion anyway? I would love to compare your interpretation with mine, if that's okay.

And thank you again for your concern, I will DEFINITELY keep you updated on my issue. :)
 

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Hi Lovely,

I said I think you should recast. Here's why (I've underlined the bits):

I asked the iChing if I am pregnant and the answer I got was hex 25. Unfortunately I lost the paper where I wrote down my lines but I am pretty sure there were no unchaging lines. I'm not really sure what this means. I am thinking either the iChing doesn't want to answer because it's not something I should be asking that way OR maybe instead of addressing my question it is addressing my thoughts about the possibility of being pregnant (my religious and general moral beliefs make me feel strongly against abortion but I have been seriously contemplating it since I started thinking pregnancy might be a possibility). But perhaps I am missing an answer?

I also want to note something else. Before I started bleeding I did ask if I might become pregnant and I am not 100% sure but I think I got hex 34(ironically enough, thunder over heaven). It didn't make sense and I dismissed it because I thought even if I WILL become pregnant I probably technically am not right now so perhaps the iChing can't or won't answer.

I have a hard enough time trying to interpret a reading when I know the EXACT question and I'm 100% sure of the hexagrams and changing lines.

So, please, I can try to interpret your reading, but you have to let me know what it is FIRST.

In my experience with the I Ching it always gives me an answer. I may not understand it, but that's another matter. If I've asked way too many times, I get an unchanging 4.

I also think that's why no one else has posted a reply. No clear question....no clear answer.

My fingers are still crossed for you. :hug:

Chibi Chan
 

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Apologies my dear Chibi Chan! :blush: You did say that but for some silly reason I read that part differently (most likely my mind did some selective reading and skipped it altogether) I am sorry.

I recasted. I wasn't as nervous as before, somehow I feel like I am not. Well, I also asked in a health forum and someone mentioned it could be an irregular period. I have no reason to believe that's what I have (other than the fact that ovulation right after depo shot is very unlikely) but for some reason it put me at ease. That and I don't symptons this early, though I shouldn't be too quick to let my giard down, not every women experiences all the symptoms. Although I am certain this fear will return, like all of my paranoias, it has good days and bad days. Afterall, it IS physically possible I am pregnant! And until I can take some pregnancy tests and get negative results (definitely going to take a few in a week, and some more a week after that just to be CERTAIN) this issue will keep me nervous and bothered.

I recasted twice.

Question #1 - Why have I been bleeding lightly these past few days? (I tried to make it open ended.)

Answer: Hexagram 35 (progress) with changing line 5, which turns into hexagram 12 (stagnation).

I decided to ask again in a more direct way. When I was about to ask the second time, one of my coins fell out before I even dropped them once into this question, I'm overly sensitive and it made me wonder maybe the iChing didn't appreciate that I was planning on repeating the question anyway. :(

Question #2 - Am I pregnant?

Answer: Hexagram 6 (conflict) with changing lines 1 and 3, which turns into hexagram 1 (the creative).

I really, really don't understand. :weep:
 

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Lovely,

You don’t need to apologize to me. I know you’re freaked and having trouble focusing. What human being hasn’t had the feeling “What the heck have I done?”

I had a roommate/good friend that thought she might be pregnant. She wanted to stick her head in the sand and not think about it, although all she could do was think about it (wrong guy, bad timing, what was she going to do). She was so freaked that despite all her mental gyrations, she was immobile. I was the one who bought the home pregnancy test and told her to take it.

Promise me you’ll get the home pregnancy test and go the clinic.

Also, let me forewarn you I’m a total newbie. My interpretations could be WAY off. I would have totally avoided this question, but you seemed so scared and no one else was answering, so here I am. I wish some of the I Ching heavy hitters would chime in on this question. Where are you guys anyway? ... I see the green dots saying you’re online.

I digress, back to the question at hand. I agree with you the interpretations are not easy ones.

Question #1 - Why have I been bleeding lightly these past few days? (I tried to make it open ended.)

Answer: Hexagram 35 (progress) with changing line 5, which turns into hexagram 12 (stagnation).

35. 5
Remorse disappears.
Take not gain and loss to heart.
Undertakings bring good fortune.
Everything serves to further.

Remorse disappears…that’s good news.
Take not gain or loss to heart…relax
Undertakings bring good fortune…get the home pregnancy test

12 Stagnation.
This hexagram is the opposite of the preceding one. Heaven is above, drawing farther and farther away, while the earth below sinks farther into the depths. The creative powers are not in relation. It is a time of standstill and decline. This hexagram is linked with the seventh month (August- September), when the year has passed its zenith and autumnal decay is setting in.

It says that the creative powers are not in relation. I’m taking this to mean that the breakthough bleeding is not implantation bleeding. Also autumnal decay is setting in (this seems good for NOT pregnant). It’s not spring when things are sprouting.

Question #2 - Am I pregnant?

Answer: Hexagram 6 (conflict) with changing lines 1 and 3, which turns into hexagram 1 (the creative).

In this reading I think the I Ching might be doing some moralizing. That’s the impression I get anyway… It’s a really old oracle. :rolleyes:

I think that Hex 6 is talking to your frame of mind right now. You’re in conflict right with yourself right or I would say totally freaked.

6.1
If one does not perpetuate the affair,
There is a little gossip.
In the end, good fortune comes.

There’s a little talk and worry, but if you don’t “perpetuate the affair” (have unprotected sex) then good fortune will come.

6.3
To nourish oneself on ancient virtue induces perseverance.
Danger. In the end, good fortune comes.
If by chance you are in the service of a king,
Seek not works.

I’m taking nourishing yourself on ancient virtues to mean look to more traditional values. Also, I’ve seen a couple of interpretations that seem to think that “Seek not works” means “don’t volunteer your services.” It says there’s danger…you knew that. But In the end, good fortune comes.

Hex 1 The Creative
THE CREATIVE works sublime success,
Furthering through perseverance.

Okay…Sublime success always good. When the I Ching says furthering through perseverance.

Wilhelm (in part) says
...it means that success will come to him from the primal depths of the universe and that everything depends upon his seeking his happiness and that of others in one way only, that is, by perseverance in what is right.
I’m taking all this to mean good news for you.

Still keeping my fingers crossed for you.

Please let me know what happens.:hug:

Chibi Chan
 

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Chibi Chan,

Thank you so very much! :) I believe it was hex 6 that said "if equanimity still cannot be reached, seek counsel of an objective person" (or something along those lines). I just knew that was you when I read it. Also, I read this and meant to reply yesterday but my circumstances did not allow it.

Your interpretations make a lot of sense ad give me some peace of mind. But don't worry, I PROMISE I will take take responsible measures and take the test. In fact, I started yesterday. I went to get another depo shot and although I admit I did not disclose the incidents or my fears to them (well, not so much not disclose as denied having unprotected sex since my last depo shot, hee) it is in their protocol to give a pregnancy test anyway. They gave it to me and it came back negative so I was able to get another shot. However, as I did research earlier, I know the test may have been a bit premature so I am NOT taking that negative as a final answer. I will take a home test in a week and a half just to be 100% certain. And of course, I will let you know ASAP, I owe it to you both for your support and as a fellow student of the iChing.

So far thinks are looking good. Thank you Chibi Chan. Also, you will be seeing me make a lot more replies here. I have been hesitant since I am also very new to the iChing but your support and your honest well thought out efforts to interpret my answer and help me have inspired me to be more helpful on to others, not just in intention, but to put more effort in expressing it as well. :) Oh, and the iChing readings journal I started is also helping me better interpret my answers.
 

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By the way, which edition do you use Chibi Chan? You were so detailed and insightful.
 

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Am I pregnant?
25 unchanging


As I understand hexagram 25, yes. The hexagram picture is a harvest basket. Please update this thread when you know for sure.
 

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Am I pregnant?
25 unchanging


As I understand hexagram 25, yes. The hexagram picture is a harvest basket. Please update this thread when you know for sure.

Hello. I'm sorry but is your interpretation of my hex that yes I am pregnant?

And I will certainly update it when I have a concrete conclusive answer.
 
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I'm going with 'no', mainly due to trying to force an answer with 34. I see 25 as saying the same but from the other side; with the addendum not to push your luck in the present and future, unless you want to be pregnant.
 

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Question #2 - Am I pregnant?

Answer: Hexagram 6 (conflict) with changing lines 1 and 3, which turns into hexagram 1 (the creative).

I really, really don't understand

not read the whole thread, but note you have asked a few similar questions...of course you won't know till tests are done so I see this as saying can you just put the issue down (6.1) until you have real cause to think you are pregnant. Just let it go till then. The answer you seek is either a 'yes' or a 'no' and each stand a 50% chance of being right. Your only option as far as I can see is to drop it as an issue until you can get a test. I've known 6.3 refer to drs....which I can't quite explain, but overall I feel this answer asks you to surrender the issue to the Creative. At one point or another every woman goes through such times and anxious speculation doesn't help. In your shoes I'd think I wasn't pregnant until good evidence shows. It is worrying I know, but I think after all this questioning you are still where you were before, you might be pregnant, you might not be pregnant. Actually 'maybe, maybe not' is how I pretty much see 25 unchanging. I don't know what 'depo shots' are :confused: but I'd think surely any unexplained untimely bleeding is worth a trip to the Dr rather than speculation from an I Ching forum ?

ETA if I had to guess from your first question if you were pregnant or not then 25 as 'disentangling' from complication would suggest not. I think in 25 uc there's a lot of room for movement...and many very early pregnancies apparently abort merely as what appears a heavy normal menstruation....well so I heard.

6.1 don't go on with this argument....is a pretty clear message to quit this internal argument. You don't need it. Relax until it's time to get proper confirmation.
 
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is your interpretation of my hex that yes I am pregnant?

Yes, my interpretation is that you are pregnant. Hexagram, situation, and the spirit of the presentation all agree.
 
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Dear lovely,

Taking into consideration all your three readings I would think that you are not. But we cannot be completely sure until you get some test/result. So, please let us know as it would be very interesting to see how the I Ching has responded to your questions/concerns.

Please take care :bows:
 

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Hi Lovely,

I'm glad you went to the clinic. I think that a lot of gals don't tell the clinic the full details (that's why they do the test anyway). If it's a clinic that routinely deals with women's reproductive issues, they're usually way cool and have heard about much more than a little unprotected sex :eek:

Anyway...I used the Wilhelm Translation. Here's a link to one online.

Lately, I've also been checking out LiSe's site. In find her translations easier to understand than Wilhelm. Here's a link to that one.

Still keeping my fingers crossed for you.:hug:

Keep me posted.

Chibi Chan
 

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