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Hello, first time posting. Seems like a great place.
I'm confused about the oracle's ability to grant insight on the motives/feelings/actions of others...I've read that you can only get answers regarding yourself or your own courses of action, but it seems that many people look to the I Ching for advice on what other people are thinking/feeling, etc.

Anyone have any sage advice?
 

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Hello Mercury, and welcome!
There definitely is an art to posing a question to the I Ching! While I've never had a book explode in my face because I asked a "wrong" question, alot of the answers just didn't make sence. I think rather than asking someone else what the rules are, you'll get clearer results just consulting the I Ching for yourself, find out what your own rules are! Perhaps start by consulting the IC about a situation you feel you understand pretty well. Perhaps ask, "How does my mother feel towards me lately?" and see if you get anything from that. We had a thread going here a few days ago just consulting the I Ching about how our pets felt about us, and we got some valid answers. The thing is, folks seem to have a knack for different things. That is, some people can consult the oracle and get exact directions to where to look for your lost car keys, whereas someone else may look at the same hexagram and be able to see the deep spiritual reason behind why you lost the keys, but not see any clue as to where they are now. So you "talk" to the I Ching a bit and find out how it guides YOU.
Keeping an I Ching diary is a pain, but later you'll be delighted to be able to look back and see what an answer had meant to you in a previous context and that can be a BIG help when you get the same hexagram again.
 
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"While I've never had a book explode in my face because I asked a "wrong" question.." :rofl:

Agreeing with Rosada’s excellent points. When you narrow what kind of answer the Yi can or can’t give you, you limit yourself and the Yi. There’s no shortcuts to developing an interactive rapport with Yi. You develop that through your own trial and error.

Asking about another’s headspace is a somewhat delicate matter. Nothing says you can not ask, but nothing says Yi will answer your direct question, either. In my own practice, it seems Yi tells on a need to know basis. If attention should be on my own thoughts, feelings, actions or behavior, that’s what the Yi will speak to. But there are times when it is helpful to have insight into another person, and so the answer can apply to the other person. If you approach it openly, and trust your own creative, intuitive process, your answer cognizes or comes together in you.

There’s rules a-plenty about how to interpret Yijing readings, all written from the personal experience of others. I suggest you develop your own rules, and keep them flexible. Not saying not to learn from others' experience, just don't neglect your own.
 

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Speaking of lost car keys, where would you say to look for mine, based on getting 52 unchanging? The yard? The courtyard at work? stop worrying about it and just go pay for another set?

Rinda
 

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Gee, what a topic! I'm getting out my surfboard for this one. Oughtta be a wave to catch in here somewhere.
 

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sorry...

<sending virtual motion sickness remedy to dobro>

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Hmmm...so there seems to be a bit more fluidity to working with the yi than I had imagined. Thanks, Rosada, Bruce, Rinda! I've been using the yi on and off for a few years and have recently delved deeper into it than I had before...rather than being some sort of crutch, it seems to be guiding me (haltingly) to greater trust in myself.
 
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mercury said:
Hmmm...so there seems to be a bit more fluidity to working with the yi than I had imagined. Thanks, Rosada, Bruce, Rinda! I've been using the yi on and off for a few years and have recently delved deeper into it than I had before...rather than being some sort of crutch, it seems to be guiding me (haltingly) to greater trust in myself.

As I see it, yes. But I'm only me, and others may see it differently. Some people thrive on order, some on historical reference, some on science, some on spiritual ideology. Ideally, one can learn from the other, but each of us specializes according to our own nature. I believe the Yi speaks to that individual nature. But - the principles Yi exemplifies remain consistent, so as not to reduce the Yi to merely being a Rorschach Inkblot.
 

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the keys? they ..Rest In Peace. buried under something that is rarely moved , or behind a couch, under the bed
 

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mercury wrote: Hello, first time posting. Seems like a great place.
I'm confused about the oracle's ability to grant insight on the motives/feelings/actions of others...I've read that you can only get answers regarding yourself or your own courses of action, but it seems that many people look to the I Ching for advice on what other people are thinking/feeling, etc.

Good question. Who are we to predict the other's future? Do we care enough and have enough responsibility for that person?
By the way, sometimes even we just only listen quietly to the other, somehow we could make them feel better.
As for Yi, if you used to have less faith (and got hex. 8) or you used to look down Yi jing (and got hex 4.) then, when someone gets hex. 8 or hex 4. you can know that...
It's not that hard to show the other the way to Disney, if you've ever gone there. :)
 

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Rinda, the lost keys, maybe 52 advises you to get really calm and quiet and let the image of where they are come to you. I found drawing a certain reiki symbol mentally around the object (the yellow symbol) has given me on occasion very instantaneous inner sight of where the thing is, so if you have reiki try that or some other way of looking for keys on an inner level seeing rather than active thinking/working out.

Lol I found this sentence of Rosadas really funny "That is some people can consult the oracle and get exact directions to where to look for your lost car keys, whereas someone else may look at the same hexagram and be able to see the deep spiritual reason behind why you lost your car keys, but not see any clues as to where they are now". Funny for the idea of such a deep spiritual reason behind losing your keys, yet now I'm thinking who knows, losing your car keys sure slows you down and keeps you in your courtyard a bit more - maybe thats where you need to be, maybe you need to stop. And isn't 52 about stopping and being still.

Huh but never mind that, you just want your keys eh ! Losing keys drives me nuts and can reduce me to tears, then I'll find they are in my pocket etc.......
 
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bruce_g

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Found this little ironic gem in email this morning:

The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement.
 

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rosada wrote: The thing is, folks seem to have a knack for different things. That is, some people can consult the oracle and get exact directions to where to look for your lost car keys, whereas someone else may look at the same hexagram and be able to see the deep spiritual reason behind why you lost the keys, but not see any clue as to where they are now. So you "talk" to the I Ching a bit and find out how it guides YOU.

Excellent point! I believe most of us here know well that Yi jing has so many layers. When everyone saw an apple was falling from a tree, no great idea happened to him or her but when Newton saw it that was another story. :)
What is the hard part of Yi jing is that we have to peel those layers after layers, interpretation after interpretation. Experience is more than needed. And the best interpretation brings the utmost believe, not vice versa. But the harder part is that how we can overcome ourselves and do as Yi tells us. So many times when we stop struggling against the water, we could not sink down.
Besides, Yi jing always tell/warn us again and again to be very careful about line 5 and 6, to realize that every situations is changing. It will happen inevitably even we gets the good/happy hexagrams.
 

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bruce_g said:
Found this little ironic gem in email this morning:

The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement.

If I don't find them by next week, I will do that....:bows:
 

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