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So, hello. Sorry for misinterpreting. Instead of having said you secretly wished for more, I should have said that you are at least subconciously not 100% fine with the situation, what seems not to be a secret after you told that you fear ro mess up his life and to lose your freedom.
I have a question: Why do you think that YOU could mess up his life?
When I said that you are a concubine, it was not meant pejoratively. I just considered the fact that he has an official girlfriend and you are the clandestine one. Even if it can be a fulfilling situation for the participants, it is not equal position. Of course, sometimes people can be fine with not being the No1 in such a constellation, if they don't want to engage too much in a relationship, for example.
 
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Hello Black Milk,
I m super fine not being the number one as i don't want a man at 100 % in my life right now. I have been in true total commitments for nearly 18 years , im single since two years and i have been so happy experiencing my freedom. but then i met him, on an ap for celebs one night in feb 2016... and it was serious from the beginning . He was there because his actual girlfriend cheated on him and it broke him into pieces . They are not often together du to their activities. We started this relation with a lot of intellectual feelings and sex came much later . We are very similar on a lot of important things , i told him that he is for me a kind of soulmate. The relation is deep and we spend days talking together , work together sometimes and sometimes we have amazing sex together .
I had others boyfriends and he was ok with it . what could he says anyway as i has an other woman in his life ? but things are getting more serious between us lately , it seems to occur him a lot of questions . In my deep thoughts , i think he is scared to live alone and sees in my way of life a way to get his individuality. I never asked him to leave his actual girlfriend. if this happen , i wish that the decision will come from him not because of our relationship. that's why i say i don't want to mess up his life by influencing him to much. What do you thing of the new cast 1 to 33 ? thank you for being there for me :)))))
 

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Hello Black Milk,
I never asked him to leave his actual girlfriend. if this happen , i wish that the decision will come from him not because of our relationship. that's why i say i don't want to mess up his life by influencing him to much. What do you thing of the new cast 1 to 33 ? thank you for being there for me :)))))

If you don't want to be the crucial factor, that brings their relationship to an end, then you have to retreat, because as long you are involved you are more or less part of the game and you can't always deceide to which degree.
1.1.2 <33 is clearly indicating not to act right now. You seem not to be really clear-minded about the issue right now. Retreat from action, time for decisions will be a bit later.
61.2. suggests, as we already noticed , that you have indeed a strong influence on him and it's never good to influence people, when you are not sure what you want. So your worries are valid, I think. But I am sure you will not mess up his life -- if this happens, it will be his own fault. Please don't forget that -- as a grown up man he is still responsible for his decisions. It's bad for both of you if you take this responsibility from his shoulders.. And don't forget, he has a relationship which contains a lot of lies -- no matter if she did the same to him. The energy of their relationship is already very problematic. He should clear this finally.

So what to do, if you shouldn't act immediately?
I think it's time to contemplate on what you want from him and then act according to your inner truth (remember hex 61). It's no accident that this hex appeared two times at the scene.
You didn't want it serious -- but things are not necessarily what you planned, but what your inner truth demands. :)
 
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I want do add a reminder: Your first reading was wonderful, don't forget that.
Please don't ask further and further, since alone that could bring the situation to an undesirable turn.
 
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OHHHHHHH THANK YOU SO MUCH BLACK MILK :) you're so right ! i will keep in mind my first cast and also that i m NOT responsable for any of its own matters with the situation... thank you so much for your help where veer you are ...
 

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You are very welcome :)

But one thing more: when I emphasise that the first result was great, then I don't say that the others answers are to ignore. They are there now as well. What has been seen cannot be unseen ;)
I just find you should stop asking from now on and stay optimistic according to your first answer -- at the same time think about the warnings given by the following results.
 

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I just find you should stop asking from now on and stay optimistic according to your first answer -- at the same time think about the warnings given by the following results.

I couldn`t agree more :)

BTW where the both of you are from? I´m from the car country GER. If you don´t want to publicy tell, fine with me. I guess Seastar is Dutch and black milk Bavarian. ;)
 

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Are you are diviner @lilly ;)? It's true. And you are from Wolfsburg? ;)
 

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Are you a diviner @lilly ;)

@black milk
LOL seems so :pompom:

And you are from Wolfsburg? ;)

Wolfsburg? guess -> :rolleyes: :eek:

I´m living in a town with a worldknown cathedral. Please divine ;)...

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BTW Bavaria devine: by the time the Dark occupies the Radiant fully, the King of B will be dead. A new dynasty - the Soders - will rule for 500 years.
 
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I m sure you're blessed too ;) have a nice eve and once again thank you for being around , i feel lucky :)
 

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@lilly
Cologne! :)
@all
Good nite
@the moderators
This thead went really off topic. Sorry :)
 

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Both hexagram 61 and 27 are soul drifting hexagrams. This means there is no clear direction for the two parties involved.

Time domain:
You metal year (hollow root: chen earth, si fire)
You metal month (hollow root: yin wood, mao wood)
Chou earth day (hollow root: yin wood, mao wood)
You metal hour (hollow root: zi water, chou earth)

Hexagram 61.2.5 to Hex 27
61.6 +Officer mao wood; 27.6 Officer yin wood
61.5 +Parent si fire (hidden: wife zi water);change to 27.5 wife zi water
61.4 -Brother wei earth (host); 27.4 brother xu earth
61.3 -Brother chou earth (hidden: child shen metal); 27.3 brother chen earth
61.2 +Officer mao wood change to 27.2 Officer yin wood
61.1 +Parent si fire (guest); 27.1 wife zi water

Officer line is the male. Since there are 2 office lines at 61.6 and 61.2. 61.2 is the officer mao wood change line. This means the male is on the move. It changes from mao wood to yin wood. He is taking a step back (not good for relationship).

Office mao wood is day void (house of spouse), and month void (house of marriage). Therefore, the man is not available at time of the reading. It is also day and month conflict. This motivates him to take the move and back away.

By the month of Xu earth (October 9 and after, Xu couples to Officer Mao wood), but officer is still day and month void. He is not available.

Relationship is at 61.1 parent si fire and 61.5. Since 61.5 is the change line, parent si fire is year void. Therefore no real relationship up to Feb 8 next year.

The female zi water is hidden behind the 61.5 parent (relationship) line and it will show by the month of zi water (Dec 9 - Jan 8). Since it is pushed by the relationship line, she may be out by that time.

61.4 is host line. You have brother wei earth ( a third party). Since wei earth conflicts with the day of the reading (house of spouse), this is your rival and you do not feel that she is a threat.

Hexagram 27 has upper trigram ken earth on lower trigram chen earth. The upper trigram has an officer, a wife and a third party, the lower trigram has the same arrangement. There is two group of relationship here. Two male, two female and two third parties, this is not the best arrangement.

Next year is Mou earth Xu earth year. The si fire in the relationship is still year void. The officer yin wood is only strong in the month of Feb 9 to early March 2018.

There is no serious commitment here when the hexagram are soul drifting type of hexagram. Text of the hexagram describes a very rosy picture. This may not be the case. Why: line 3/4 are hollow in hexagram 61 with the two brother line conflicting.

Hexagram 27 has line 2,3,4,5 all hollow. Mouth open wide, but again no substance.
In Hex 27, brother line xu earth is host line at 27.4. Xu earth is year commander by 2018. Someone else is on your mind and not him. Wife zi water is 27.1 guest line. He thinks of another female.

Matters are not easy to resolve. You will not know the answer for the next few months. Male like him prefers that he leads, you follow and not a mutually coming together agreement.
 
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Dear Long YI,
I m so blasted your reply to me and with such a perfect reading :) thank you so much for taking that time.
Sorry i didn't reply earlier, i wasn't around. So , yes I stepped back after presenting me his kid and inviting me to his house and to a professional meeting that he was organizing. He stepped back also because his kid said to his girlfriend that we went together to see the moon ( astronomic night that we went the three of us in secret). since then he said that because his kid told is his actual girlfriend that we went together to that event , she was now all suspicious about him and me . Also, i forgot to told you that the third person is not in my mind but in his girlfriend mind : after sneaking in her phone, he found out that she was still in love with her hex and went mad about it and wanted to break with her . Since this , i want through different stage of minds , very anxious that she knows about me and come to me with anger , -very anxious to lose him and now i m keeping myself appart from them and stay quiet. Also , he said to me that , because of the situation we could exchange anymore for the moment. It was a rough time for all of us and i feel the danger still around . I don't know if i told her he wants to break up with her etc. but sincerely it's not really my business . also i think that i don't want to get engage with him until he has clear up his mind or and love situation. So , i m going to ask What is going to be happen for me in this relationship within the next weeks and will keep you all up dated . Since thanks again to you and have a nice beautiful day in Canada. Best
 
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SEASTAR1974

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So here we go :
I asked what will happen to me in the next weeks in my relationship with him, i got a straight 51. But as i don't understand the answer ( no changing lines) i asked to complete this first answer and i got : 39 to 59 with changing lines 2.3.6 .
Line 2: He is going through rough time and i should be involved to help him even if it's not me being involved directly and that we could talk directly of the problems
Line 3 : he wants me to go back to him and help him going through the difficulties but i should stay put and take a step back ? possibilities are opening to get over the obstacle
Line 6 :the obstacle can be overcome by accepting the actual separation with him and placing myself in an other vision of the situation.
I feel 59 is the current situation, and 39 is explaining to me how to get over it . What do you thing ?
Thank you all for your precious help here . best :)
 

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I thought no one answered to it yet and didn't know if you already read it, so I was thinking that it is okay to delete it.
If you want to know my opinion on this whole setting, I think it is unfortunate right now because there is too much dishonesty involved and then a situation is naturally doomed to fail. (at least for now)

I interpreted 61.2.5 very optimistic, but with all the background info I still think that you two have a special connection and therefore potential but now I would put focus on other aspects of 61.2.5 then before.
It's a lot about truth, about inner strength and being aware of your own influence and power. You seem to have a strong impact on people, at least on your lover and therefore I guess you are already act a lot on the situation, you influence the situation enough by your own attitude. I think you are spot on with your conclusion that you can't do anything right now in an active manner.
Also 39<59 is suggesting to step back for now. In my opinion it is indeed wise to withdraw and to develop a new standpoint and wait until you feel clearly called for involvement.

long yi says that he thinks your lover is 'a male that likes to take the lead' -- from 61.2.5 and your tellings I assume that he is the weaker part of the situation right now, which is not contradicting with long yis words. You can have an urge to take the lead and lacking leadership skills at the same time, which may cause a mess. 39.2 is talking of a master/servant situation and it's an old philosophical question wether not very often the servants are the actual stronger, but they can't do that much, since they are just the servants. The decisions are made by the masters eventually. Right now I see your lover in the center of all events and his needs dominating the situation while he has no clear direction.

So I guess your task now is to develop a clear attitude on what you want and then to act on it.

Maybe I am completly off-track, but that's what I think about it.

Ah yes, and 51 of course describes that you feel shaken these times.
 
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Hello Black Milk,
It's good that you reply again, thank you so much. My position is very strong there as i m aware that i have to clear my mind up on what i really want . The second, i will not get involved if he doesn't clear his situation too . So it might take time and what ever is the result in the near futur between us , i would have grown from all of this and will be sincere which is the most important now for me.
Time and space ;) have a nice sunday :) bisous
 
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Hello Dear community ,
So much happened since this last Thread..
I think I need a time line to express it : so we met in February 2016, after 3 months he said to me that he was involve with someone, but at that I didn't care . So we were in a hidden relationship from February 2016 to October 2017 when he split up with his ex. Than we went in a professional absolutely fabulous professional and lover experience until June 2018. Then we split up , din't manage to commit together clearly. We were sending some nice sms and news from time to time, both we were really sad of the situation but not mentioning it ever to each others. Then , I made a move , we reconnected in September 2020... 2019 was hell for both of us. I changed city, and we met again in November of this year , very powerfully but ... a ex of him has decided to keep a baby that he doesn't after a force encounter with her she decided to keep the baby that he doesn't want. She literally forced him to have a last sexual encounter with her and than left with the surprise . She wants him to be the father , she seems very fragile person, she on medication , they were in a liaison not in love. Now...the situation for him is complex but he will manage and I accept him , because we never stopped loving and thinking to each others since. So I asked the YJ 3 questions :
- How should I react regarding his situation : 38.2.3 to 30 : predestined lovers
- What is the situation between him and the mother of it's supposed son ? 18.1.3 to 41, something to do with the son not being a problem for him after a clear move
- What is the next step between him and I ? : 63.3.4.5 to 51 , with is quiet clear regarding the situation. To return to an old love.

Take car you all, if you want to discuss about this topics , please do, I feel very serene anyway because it's an exceptional love that we are living together since 2016 and I feel lucky even if it's not always Rose , and the instrospective point of view of the YJ help always a lot ... Best . SEASTAR
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Many thanks for the update, SEASTAR!

To be honest I don't see the readings encourage you to continue the relationship.

How should I react regarding his situation : 38.2.3 to 30 You should accept the end, the separation and go your way.

What is the situation between him and the mother of it's supposed son ? 18.1.3 to 41
She wants to make a responsible father out of him. Anyway, the relationship doesn't seem to develope into something significant.

What is the next step between him and I ? : 63.3.4.5 to 51
You have put much effort in saving the relationship, but the valuable gifts are used for a less than worthy cause. The relationship is over, though he may come and go suddenly like thunder.
 

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Bonjour chère communauté ,
Il s’est passé tant de choses depuis cette dernière bande de temps.
Je pense que j’ai besoin d’une ligne de temps pour l’expression : nous sommes donc rencontrés en février 2016, après 3 mois, il m’a dit qu’il est impliqué avec quelqu’un, mais à ce que je ne m’en souciais pas . Nous étions donc dans une relation cachée de février 2016 à octobre 2017 quand il s’est séparé de son ex. Que nous sommes allés dans une expérience professionnelle absolument fabuleux professionnel et amoureux jusqu’en Juin 2018. Ensuite, nous nous séparons, din’t parvenir à s’engager ensemble clairement. Nous envoyions de bons sms et des nouvelles de temps en temps, les deux nous sommes vraiment tristes de la situation, mais ne pas le mentionner jamais à l’autre. Puis, j’ai fait un geste, nous nous sommes reconnectés en septembre 2020... 2019 a été l’enfer pour nous deux. J’ai changé de ville, et nous sommes rencontrés à nouveau en Novembre de cette année , très puissamment, mais ... un ex de lui a décidé de garder un bébé qu’il n’a pas après une rencontre de force avec elle, elle a décidé de garder le bébé qu’il ne veut pas. Elle l’a littéralement forcé à avoir une dernière rencontre sexuelle avec elle et que gauche avec la surprise . Elle veut qu’il soit le père, elle semble personne très fragile, elle sur les médicaments, ils étaient dans une liaison pas dans l’amour. Maintenant... la situation pour lui est complexe, mais il va gérer et je l’accepte , parce que nous n’avons jamais cessé d’aimer et de penser les uns aux autres depuis. J’ai donc posé les questions YJ 3 - Commentaire réagir face à sa situation : 38.2.3 à 30 : amants prédesti- Quelle est la situation entre lui et la mère de fils supposé ? 18.1.3 à 41, quelque choisir un choisi à voir avec le fils n’étant pas un problème pour lui après un geste cl- Quelle est la prochaine étape entre lui et moi ? : 63.3.4.5 à 51 , avec est calme clair quant à la situation. Verser revenir à un vieil amour. Prenez la voiture vous tous, si vous voulez discuter de ce sujet, s’il vous plaît faire, je me sens très serein de toute façon parce que c’est un amour exceptionnel que nous vivons ensemble depuis 2016 et je me sens chanceux, même si ce n’est pas toujours Rose , et le point de vue instrospectif de la YJ aider toujours beaucoup ... C’est Meilleur. S (en)

Hello !
With 38, we can see the two relationships in opposition, but Line 3 is about a relationship that starts badly and ends well, I hope it's for you.
With the lines of your 63, we still see the two relationships and the three lovers, and always that same relationship that is made to last. I can't say where you stand... Have you thought about contacting a - true - soothsayer who specializes in love stories ?
 
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SEASTAR1974

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Hello !
With 38, we can see the two relationships in opposition, but Line 3 is about a relationship that starts badly and ends well, I hope it's for you.
With the lines of your 63, we still see the two relationships and the three lovers, and always that same relationship that is made to last. I can't say where you stand... Have you thought about contacting a - true - soothsayer who specializes in love stories ?
Hello Matali, do you know one ?
 
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SEASTAR1974

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Dear Matali..Yes, it's us.
This morning I asked with a better energy than last night, what's next between us : 44.2.5 to 56 , that says to me : keep it very very low profile until the deliverance of his situation

44.5 (44 > 50) - Brooding one's nest

One protects those who are not yet ready with patience, until one is satisfied

44.2 (44 > 33) - Protecting one' s privacy

One shows behind the scenes only to those who ask and are invited.

Nuclear :

1.1.6 (1 > 28) - Abandoning their disputes

One asks their opponents to seek an agreement.
 
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SEASTAR1974

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Many thanks for the update, SEASTAR!

To be honest I don't see the readings encourage you to continue the relationship.

How should I react regarding his situation : 38.2.3 to 30 You should accept the end, the separation and go your way.

What is the situation between him and the mother of it's supposed son ? 18.1.3 to 41
She wants to make a responsible father out of him. Anyway, the relationship doesn't seem to develope into something significant.

What is the next step between him and I ? : 63.3.4.5 to 51
You have put much effort in saving the relationship, but the valuable gifts are used for a less than worthy cause. The relationship is over, though he may come and go suddenly like thunder.
Dear MaryBlueSky, thank you for the reply .
Your visions are right : the old relationship is dead and we go for a new round. There is still difficulties to overcome from him ( as usual) but love is there still. See my thread of this morning. Best kind regards, Seastar.
 

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