Readings within readings?

[rodaki]

hidden meanings and
questions, questions, questions

what I want to ask is a bit complicated so this is going to be a bit long . .

been considering continuing my studies either in the place I have been living past 2 years, know people, have established relations (call it place A)
or in a different place, visited shortly, felt nice but there all is unknown (call it place B)

a couple of months ago I asked for images of the possibilities for both A and B, got for both 5 to 9

recently asked again for images of me in those 2 places and got:
for A, 9.2,6 to 63
(I am currently reading lines progressively, so 9.2 goes 37 and 37.6 goes 63)

for B, 37.6 to 63

in that case, do you see the readings as crossing one another, taking me from option A to option B, or as separate paths that in the end they involve similar situations?



rodaki

 

[meng]

This is a bit of a long shot, but it's the only stand out impression I get from the readings, for both A and B.

Little fish, little pond, with little creative satisfaction for you. 63 shows everything is neat, well established and in its proper place; therefore neither A nor B will challenge you.

 

[meng]

(I am currently reading lines progressively, so 9.2 goes 37 and 37.6 goes 63)

Btw, I have no idea what you're doing here, but it seems pretty convoluted to me.

 

[rodaki]

hi Meng,

thanks for getting back with this one . .

hmmm . . would you mean that as in just 'complicated', or 'confused'? (non-native english speaker here )

In reading transforming lines progressively I read first hex.9 and 1st transf. line (9 at 2)
that changes into 37
next line transforming was 6 (original reading was 9.2,6 to 63)
so next I read 37.6
which takes me to secondary hex. 63
so the reading evolves from first hex through the transformations of lines to the relating one . . .

maybe wrong wih this :bag:

rodaki

 

[meng]

It's not a method I've ever used or heard of, but maybe some do use it, I dunno.

 

[rodaki]

I froze there for a moment thinking I might be way 'off line'
so asked a couple of questions:
1)Do you think my way of reading 9 to 63 is right? 27.1 to 23 (leaving your magic tortoise to Splitting up)
that send shivers down my spine so asked
2)Should i just read it the usual way? 27.2 to 41(you deviate to seek nourishment to Decrease)

now that didn't make sense, so:
3)Can you give me some insight on 27.1 in relation to my reading of 9 to 63? 26.4,6 to 34 (the headboard of a young bull, past obstructions the way is open to The Power of the Great)

ok, I am not sure if what I am doing is common, but it seems the Yi agrees . . . anyway, it also seems I needed the wake up call (headboard)

rodaki

 

[Sparhawk]

Bruce,

It's not a method I've ever used or heard of, but maybe some do use it, I dunno.

Most likely it comes from here and, as far as I know, it's a Karcher's idea:

The steps of change
Formed by changing each moving line in isolation, the steps of change are like miniature relating hexagrams for each line. They show the context for the change in the line, and also the kind of response that draws forth the line's advice.
So in this case:
Line 1 points to 47, Oppression: someone self-contained to the point of isolation, learning independence.
Line 2 points to 17, Following: someone who is in the moment, naturally following the signs.
Line 4 points to 60, Limitation: finding the right limits to set on the conversation with the oracle without stifling it; seeking out a common language. This sounds to me like the methods of limiting the moving lines.​

 

[meng]

That I'm familiar with, but I think Rodaki was going a step further to create new change lines.

 

[Sparhawk]

Ah, my tendency of first reading between the lines and, trying to see the forest, I missed the 'strange' trees. From above it looked like the SOC...

 

[rodaki]

well, it seemed logical because that is the only way that actually ends up in the relating hexagram . . otherwise you end up with a group of hexagrams that appear somehow 'unhinged', just floating there . . actually i thought i had seen that somewhere here at some point but not sure by now . . alzheimer hits earlier if you do to much browsing!

 

[rodaki]

but the changing lines are not new . . they come from the first hexagram, only they don't go back to it, but are applied to the in-between hexs

 

[martin]

Perhaps I'm also browing too much? I don't see anything strange in what you do, Rodaki.
It's a well known method and a very old one I believe (I don't think Karcher invented it but I may be wrong).

Could it mean 'first A for a while and then B'?

 

[rodaki]

hi Martin,

yes, that's what I thought ( actually I thought that it meant that A which is the now will complete its role of small undertakings (9)through me finding my place (37) in B) but it felt a bit weird . . I never had any answers converging like that before. I'll probably ask again about it but for the time being I'll let it rest for a while . . it has brought enough change already (to me at least)

I mean it would be nice to think that I have discovered sth new, but people have been experimenting with different methods for so long, that I would be really surprised if i did . .

rodaki

 

[heylise]

I never use the steps of change, because I think the first hex says it all. But many people do, and I think if you know in advance that you will read like this, the answer does make sense.
Hex 9 is a ‘small’ place, homely, your own farm, where you have to tend to all those things which happen in a farm. The animals, the children, shopping, cleaning and so on. Nice way to refer to a place you already know.
To 63, so if you do your farm-work in a good way, you will get your result.
Hex 37 has to do with family, but also with “isms”, a school, a group of like-mindeds, but if you can find your place in that group, you also get result.

Your ‘steps’ make it interesting: both pass the same hex. 37, so in both cases there is that family to fit in. Which makes sense.

I read the lines in the first hexagram in he way Luis describes, and which is also the ancient way to call them.
9.2 is “9 its 37”
9.6 is “9 its 5”
Hexagrams are built up of lines, but if you see them as a collage of other hexagrams you get a much more colorful image. Every collage is unique, there is a difference between them if just one line is different. A big difference of course when all lines are different.
Hex.9 is:
5
26
1
61
37
57
On Meng’s hexagram images pages you could copy the 6 pictures and pile them on top of each other. It would give a picture of the hexagram very much like a photo of a landscape. You ‘see’ if you are on Iceland or in Canada, and certainly if you are in a warm or in a cold country. It should be possible to see hexagrams in that same way.
Line 3 (heart) is 61.. ah, in this country the hearts of people are very much like 61. They easily show their emotions, the good and the bad ones.
Their relations, line 2: 37, they live very much together, like a family, look after each other, caring or restricting, the way it is in families.
Line 6 (spirit) is 5, they know how to wait, they know that acting too rashly brings trouble.

A picture of life on a small farm.

LiSe

 

[meng]

recently asked again for images of me in those 2 places and got:
for A, 9.2,6 to 63
(I am currently reading lines progressively, so 9.2 goes 37 and 37.6 goes 63)

I don't know where 37.6 comes from.

But never mind, I woke with my head on upside down and backwards this morning.

And after reading LiSe's post, think I'll go back to bed and try again later.

 

[rodaki]

wow! never thought of seeing all the lines at once like a collage . . i think I'm still a bit too dry for that but I like the idea very much!

let me clear the waters, 37.6 comes from 9.2,6. First go to 9.2, which is 37, and then instead of going back to 9, go on with the changing sixth line of 37 (37.6) which ends up in 63 . .

Reading the meanings of 63, they seem to verge more towards the closing of a cycle (perfection of it too, but perfection also means 'as good as it gets so move on') so I tended to see it as closure, especially since A and B are quite incompatible which means that it would be hard to do both together . .

Anyways, guess things will need more time to get crystal clear . .

By the way, it's kinda funny, but LiSe it was your site that made 'steps of progress' an easy way for me; having the links to the relat. hex. after each line it is very simple to go from 9.2 to 37 and from there 37.6 to 63 . .

but like i said, I'll have to get back on this . .

thanks everyone for your thoughts here!

rodaki