Receiving the exact same two readings in a row!?

[molaurie]

Has this ever happened to anyone, and what are the odds of this occurring? Yesterday I asked two questions, one right after the other, concerning my confusion about my difficult work situation. I got the same thing both times! This has never happened before, in my year of consulting the I Ching! I was stunned, to say the least.

Here's what I got: Keeping Still(mountain), line 6, changing to Modesty(Humility).

I'm wondering if this has happened to anyone else. Maybe this I Ching really wants to emphasize a point, concerning my work situation! And do I interpret this as meaning to stay where I am, bite the bullet and hunker down and be humble about it? Because this is NOT what i want to hear!

Thanks,
Laurie

 

[Trojina]

Yes it happens to me quite often to get same hexagram same moving line. I think you reading advises you to compose yourself and stop trying to control events especially ones that are in the future. I don't see anything about being humble - just staying in the present and detaching a little from things around you - to try to cease worrying just do what needs to be done now - trying to see too far ahead will only disturb and upset you.

 

[molaurie]

Thanks, Trojan, those were some reassuring words of wisdom. I'm confused about the Modesty hexagram, though. I'm afraid it's telling me to just be quiet and humble and put up with this arrogant, authoritative supervisor, and be grateful and humble that i even have a job! I just don't think I could live like this, day in and day out, with anger stuffed in and my mouth shut. What do you think about the Modesty hexagram?

Or, maybe, like you said, i just need to stay totally present and centered in the here and now...

 

[Trojina]

I don't think hexagram 15 means you have to be humble and grateful you even have a job - mostly i find it refers to doing what you have to do to make a living - getting on with things, being pragmatic about what is necessary. It reminds us we all have to eat and pay the bills and we have to do what we can to get there. But certainly i don't think it says put up with bullying or anything like that.

I don't know exactly what the question was but the answer does seem to advise you really take some time to detach and chillout, find a way to ignore him so he doesn't affect you so much and simply then carry out your work.

As I recall you were thinking of leaving because of him - well that may be an option for the future but for now I think your answer indicates you are going to manage to calm down about this and gain more perspective - just try not to imagine future scenarios of how unpleasant hes going to be etc as this answer does emphasise staying in the present (52)and dealing with the present in a matter of fact down to earth way (15).

From a calmer frame of mind you will be in a better postion to decide what you want to do, no need to rush, take your time.

 

[lienshan]

Because this is NOT what i want to hear!

How to deal with "unwanted" answers is a part of The Book of Kâu => Book IV. The Great Plan => VII:

Seventh, of the (means for the) examination of doubts 1. Officers having been chosen and appointed for divining by the tortoise-shell and the stalks of the Achillea, they are to be charged (on occasion) to execute their duties. (In doing this), they will find (the appearances of) rain, of clearing up, of cloudiness, of want of connexion, and of crossing; and the inner and outer diagrams. In all (the indications) are seven; five given by the shell, and two by the stalks; and (by means) of these any errors (in the mind) may be traced out. These officers having been appointed, when the divination is proceeded with, three men are to interpret the indications, and the (consenting) words of two of them are to be followed.
When you have doubts about any great matter, consult with your own mind; consult with your high ministers and officers; consult with the common people; consult the tortoise-shell and divining stalks. If you, the shell, the stalks, the ministers and officers, and the common people, all agree about a course, this is what is called a great concord, and the result will be the welfare of your person and good fortune to your descendants. If you, the shell, and the stalks agree, while the ministers, and officers, and the common people oppose, the result will be fortunate. If the ministers and officers, with the shell and stalks, agree, while you and the common people oppose, the result will be fortunate. If the common people, the shell, and the stalks agree, while you, with the ministers and officers, oppose, the result will be fortunate. If you and the shell agree. while the stalks, with the ministers and officers, and the common people, oppose, internal operations will be fortunate, and external undertakings unlucky. When the shell and stalks are both opposed to the views of men, there will be good fortune in being still, and active operations will be unlucky.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/cfu/sbe03/sbe03031.htm

I find the ancient text very interesting and hope that it's not off-tread to post it here

 

[Trojina]

I don't thinkthe Yi was telling her what she didn't want to hear anyway - i think the Yi was telling her to relax

 

[lienshan]

I don't thinkthe Yi was telling her what she didn't want to hear anyway - i think the Yi was telling her to relax

I'm not thinking of the concrete reading, because this tread isn't posted in the Friends Area. I just happend to read the Great Plan text yesterday and think that esspecially the last two lines tell what to do or not to do, when one get an "unwanted" answer. It's impossible to avoid, when asking concrete and precise questions.

 

[bruce_g]

Sometimes 15 does literally mean being humble and grateful for what you have, but It doesn't mean walking around with your tail between your legs or walking on eggshells. Your actions will speak clearer than impressive words. Hard, smart and diligent work is 15 in action, if you don't boast about it. Let your work speak for itself.

 

[molaurie]

Sometimes 15 does literally mean being humble and grateful for what you have, but It doesn't mean walking around with your tail between your legs or walking on eggshells. Your actions will speak clearer than impressive words. Hard, smart and diligent work is 15 in action, if you don't boast about it. Let your work speak for itself.

Yes, thanks, Bruce, that's a good way to look at it.

Laurie

 

[peace66]

On Repeated Answers...

Has this ever happened to anyone, and what are the odds of this occurring? Yesterday I asked two questions, one right after the other, concerning my confusion about my difficult work situation. I got the same thing both times! This has never happened before, in my year of consulting the I Ching! I was stunned, to say the least.

Here's what I got: Keeping Still(mountain), line 6, changing to Modesty(Humility).

I'm wondering if this has happened to anyone else. Maybe this I Ching really wants to emphasize a point, concerning my work situation! And do I interpret this as meaning to stay where I am, bite the bullet and hunker down and be humble about it? Because this is NOT what i want to hear!

Thanks,
Laurie

Hi Laurie. I've only been doing I Ching for a few months and I've gotten
At least half a dozen repeated answers!
Line 6 in Karcher: The situation is bound with generosity, honesty and magnanimity.
Use these qualities and you will meet them in others. The Way is open.
In other words, Do unto others as you want them to do unto you. Maybe this will soften
up your boss or you will attract people who can help you find the work situation you want. And 15 also means Authenticity, as in be true to yourself and carve out what
fulfills you!!:bows:
All The Best...
Peace

 

[bruce_g]

About three years ago I had an incredibly long run of hex 4. It was too bizarre; and like 4, I had no idea what it meant for me, even though I knew what the hexagram meant. As it turned out, there's no way I could possibly have known. Fortunately, I like surprises.