Recommencing contact, 61.5. to 41

[Juliah]

Hello Friends.

I would appreciate your help with interpreting this combination. My question was: Will my contact with X recommence before autumn?

As far as I know, this combination is supposed to be strongly positive.

I promise you the feedback

 

[ginnie]

This reading seems to be reflecting you back to yourself. It says you are self-confident and that is not an error. It does not really say "good fortune," you see. So it's hard to know about whether or not your wish for contact will be fulfilled.

 

[Juliah]

Ginnie, thank you for your insight.

When I was interpreting this cast I based on what was said here:http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?2002-Hello-everyone&highlight=

We'll see what is going to happen

 

[Juliah]

I wonder if there is difference in interpretation re establishing and re-establishing relations. I feel no difference, but perhaps someone does not agree with me... Any insights are welcome

 

[Juliah]

I've been contemplating a lot upon the line - l see it not only self-confidence, but linking inner truth. ''There is a return linkedly'' even...
Inner truth implies unity, which is not only outcome, but its essence.

By the way, update: today is August 25, and we have not contacted yet

 

[cris]

This is the line translation by Ewald Berkers:

61.5
Having a trusting relationship.
Without fault.

This seems to indicate there is a connection between the two of you, which increases the likelihood of a contact. I'm however not sure it can be interpreted as a clear yes. In case it should not happen, maybe you could touch base with x counting on a positive response.

 

[anemos]

I agree with what has been already said as a facet of 61.5. However, sometimes I have gotten this line when there was a lack of 'glue' between the people involved - the big IF condition of 61.5. - the essence of bonding.

sometimes Yi talks about future or now , but it has occurred to me that there are other times talk about the past... like Yi invites you to see past events from another perspective and re-frame the situation.

not sayings its a no - i want to make it clear that, yet it might be about the reason the communication are in a 'freeze' mode ? Is there a common ground between you two ? do you want the same things from that relationship ? 41 could mean that the communication can be restored or can be about the reasons ceased it .

its not easy to give a definitive answer ; sometimes the same line for similar questions plays out pretty differently - it depends on the context- that is what bring 'life' to a string of sentences .

 

[sooo]

I'm seeing this similarly to Anemos, with the added consideration that 41 may indicate that reducing your eagerness (or desperateness?) may help to allow this other person to feel more at ease about reconnecting. Turning down the intensity a couple of notches releases the tension involved.

 

[Juliah]

Friends, thank you for your insights, they are really helpful.

I considered the situation to be delicate, that's why I did not go into details. It seems to me now that I should share some moments with you, even in a few words.

There is a person we have not been kept in touch with since March. He is (was?) my friend who declared his affection to me several months ago and probably thought that we could be lovers (he is married). He taught me a foreign language, and we had lessons once a week. He did not receive my consent and after that he ceased our lessons (and communication at all).

The thread I started about two weeks ago, about my role (49.2 - 43) in my friend's life is about the same situation.

 

[anemos]

Julia,

the proposed, by him, nature of relationship is not in accord with what you wish , as you said

He did not receive my consent and after that he ceased our lessons (and communication at all).

He might disappear because of your decline. It appears you want to relate in different ways... What kind of relationship ( or communication) you anticipate ? Can he offer that ?

 

[Juliah]

Speaking honestly, it was not my refusal. I said neither no, nor yes. Months later I understood that his hints were serious - then I took them as jokes.
I would like to be friends with him, to continue our lessons.

The situation I faced before now seems quite predictable - I do not see myself in relationship with a married man.

A kind of manipulation from his side, I guess.

 

[Juliah]

Just a small addition.

I was very surprised at 49.2.- 43 appeared re my role in my friend's life. For me it's a sign of something considerable which remains in a napkin so far. But the fundamental change is inevitable, and I do not know the direction it will take. I was told by Pocossin that I should help my friend change, but I doubt about the possibility of any visible help, like a message or a call.

 

[peterg]

The day in 49.0.2 is your own day, the day is yours, or confidence on the last day when something is finished and a reform is effected.
43 can be read as 'resolved to stand for what is right'.
61 suggests something that comes across in your posts.You have the inner strength and confidence needed to make choices, decisions, sacrifices.
You asked about timing and since 41 is 'in play' now, this might help, sometimes. Its speculative.But its a system, with traditional roots.The Sovereign hexagrams also 'preside over' the month.
Autumn Winter https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net...663_682414518518467_5750067558907213097_n.jpg.
Spring Summer https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net...4289_681574521935800_340316509991635488_n.jpg

 

[Juliah]

Thank you for your input, Peterg.

Though I do not understand completely 'yours'. Where is the person I cooperate with in this reading?

 

[peterg]

There may be a focus issue because the casts and posters seem to shift the focus back on yourself rather than on the other person.
'Your own day' is a literal standard reading of the characters and suggests a triumph.
I got 49-43 about an essential training course which I dreaded, but it worked out well at the end.

 

[Juliah]

Thanks a lot for your explanation, Peterg.

Yes, I feel inner strength. At the same time I do feel that I should not move towards him first. It's not my being selfish or arrogant - I feel that the person should express himself first. That's why I am limited in visible expressions.

Your insight is very interesting, I do not know much about the tradition.

 

[peterg]

This area is not my forte, but I couldn't resist the calendar aspect.

I think you are right to hold back.

Cooperation ? I dont see a lot of that in 49. The trigrams don't sit well together.They have different aspirations.Their wishes are dissimilar. Hence the mutual pausing and suspension in the Commentary. And combat theme. But somehow confidence comes anyway and regrets vanish.

In 61.5 the luan binding looks good for making connections. It reminds me of the binding threads used in marriage ceremonies to tie couples together. And inner confidence and sincerity automatically attract people.

But bear in mind an alternative reading which Liu Ming (in the book Changing) favours. Here the Yu Fu confidence becomes a more literal sacrificing captives, and people who dont come on board. The Luan binding becomes inner focus and integration :
''Sacrificing captives. Bonds are made. No misfortune''
''As a leader you must stay focused and do what others cannot do. True leaders must act forcefully at times. Those who do not join in the new order must be sacrificed. There is no misfortune in this. The real future beckons you forward and idealistic fantasies must be relinquished.''

Stephen Karcher (Total I Ching) reads 61-41 as making connections on a spiritual level and diminishing passionate involvment.

 

[Juliah]

I deleted the post as it was placed twice.

 

[Juliah]

Peterg, very informative, thanks a lot.

Re 49 I have some experience. One day my another friend sent me a message - he wished we had not met at all. I was astonished and asked the IC about the true reason of his behaviour. I got 49 > 31. I understood a lot..

That's why I think that I have influenced on the person I am asking about somehow. Apparently his old desires,
contradictions have been brought to life again, and it was me who was the reason of them. In other words, for me hex 49 is a sign of inner fight when a person stands on the threshold of changes, feels that there is no possibility to live his life the old way. The contradictions existed before, as well, but now everything is ripe ' to cross the great river'.

To make decisions and to sacrifice is not a problem for me. However, I feel clearly that I should not take the first step - he was resolute when ceasing connection, let him be resolute to re-establish it.

A few weeks ago I saw a dream in which my tutor made an appointment with me. The dream was so bright that I asked the IC about its meaning and got 49.6 > 13.