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Reconciliation., 17.6 - 25
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Shall we reconcile?
17.6 > 25
The casting suggests that you will if you work together. Hexagram 17 as yoke suggests teamwork, and 25 a common effort.
17.6 > 25
The casting suggests that you will if you work together. Hexagram 17 as yoke suggests teamwork, and 25 a common effort.
The interpretations below are pretty much a literal translation from original Chinese text. Let us know if they are relevant to your situation:
17-6: Subject is senior but not the current leader. It is not easy to lose the control of the organization subject once built. Subject installs forceful rules and orders in attempt to maintain status quo. Subject set ceremonies at his home territory in remembrance of his humble beginning and hardship endured along the way
25: Good result will come as long as arduous subject stays true to the righteous course, and eradicates fanciful ambitions. Having fanciful ambitions and deviating from righteousness shall lead to losses. In that case, subject is better not moving at all.
In some augury method, 18-6 is considered as a reference.
18-6: Eradications are mostly done. As a retired leader, subject shall not be infatuated with the situation, nor be occupying the power position for too long. This way subject will be respected as role model for future generations.
Comments and suggestions are welcome.
17-6: Subject is senior but not the current leader. It is not easy to lose the control of the organization subject once built. Subject installs forceful rules and orders in attempt to maintain status quo. Subject set ceremonies at his home territory in remembrance of his humble beginning and hardship endured along the way
25: Good result will come as long as arduous subject stays true to the righteous course, and eradicates fanciful ambitions. Having fanciful ambitions and deviating from righteousness shall lead to losses. In that case, subject is better not moving at all.
In some augury method, 18-6 is considered as a reference.
18-6: Eradications are mostly done. As a retired leader, subject shall not be infatuated with the situation, nor be occupying the power position for too long. This way subject will be respected as role model for future generations.
Comments and suggestions are welcome.
Jzy369, thank you for your very interesting input.
The idea of following seems to be in the dark here for me... I am trying to correlate myself and the other side with the subject described here, and hardly can do it
I need time to understand the interpretation better.
The idea of following seems to be in the dark here for me... I am trying to correlate myself and the other side with the subject described here, and hardly can do it
I need time to understand the interpretation better.
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Sounds promising, but how to learn that we are making efforts together?..
I was hoping that you and he worked for the same organization and might participate in a project, but would it be possible for the two of you to participate in the same charity?
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Hi, Juliah.
The specifics of an answer rely upon the context, of which you keep much of to yourself. Answering from the dark is natural when the specifics of your question are themselves in the dark. The other result is a lot of guesswork.
That said, there's a dark element to 17 itself, hence the advice to take it to bed while you rest and recover. A concrete answer is not given. I believe and interpret that what is followed is usually something deep within yourself, which can be realized or recog-nized from your resting state - dreams, subconscious and even unconscious elements of which we are unaware of during the daylight of our mind.
Line 6 has a mystical tone, from which symbolism of a king or high priest may be derived, and through following you become introduced to sacred secrets, kept in a sacred mountain, an unmovable, unchangeable place.
These things may be interpreted as external happenings, but it's my experience that this is an inner experience. In this case, such an inner discovery leads you to a place where no effort is needed, and the more conscious manipulation and effort that is exerted, the less innocent action results, and things turn out not as you would want. Better not to want and allow things to unfold according to that which was introduced to you at the Western Mountain, that private and sacred place.
The specifics of an answer rely upon the context, of which you keep much of to yourself. Answering from the dark is natural when the specifics of your question are themselves in the dark. The other result is a lot of guesswork.
That said, there's a dark element to 17 itself, hence the advice to take it to bed while you rest and recover. A concrete answer is not given. I believe and interpret that what is followed is usually something deep within yourself, which can be realized or recog-nized from your resting state - dreams, subconscious and even unconscious elements of which we are unaware of during the daylight of our mind.
Line 6 has a mystical tone, from which symbolism of a king or high priest may be derived, and through following you become introduced to sacred secrets, kept in a sacred mountain, an unmovable, unchangeable place.
These things may be interpreted as external happenings, but it's my experience that this is an inner experience. In this case, such an inner discovery leads you to a place where no effort is needed, and the more conscious manipulation and effort that is exerted, the less innocent action results, and things turn out not as you would want. Better not to want and allow things to unfold according to that which was introduced to you at the Western Mountain, that private and sacred place.
Stories Behind Hex 17
This is written in response to "interpreting 17". For I Ching to be useful for me, digesting original text and intent was critical. Info below is a literal interpretation from original Chinese text on hex 17, incorporating elaboration written by Confucious. Words are very insightful and inspiring, there is a logical point behind it.
17: Following-The-Leader In Organizations
Inspiration Elements: Lake over Earthquake. Ripples Appears In Calm Lake As Earth Shakes, Signifying Following The Orders From Mother Earth.
Overall: When appropriate follow-the-leader dynamic is executed, organization becomes tighter-knit and stronger. Appropriate follow-the-leader behaviors are depicted here for six escalating positions within an organization.
Line 1: Organization (e.g., government) regulations change and adjust dynamically, obeying to the righteous way shall lead to auspiciousness. Just coming out of protected compound (e.g., school), subject shall interact with those who are more accomplished to attain worthy achievement.
Line 2: Subject is now in a position to lead a small team. Tasting responsibility for the first time, subject interact with team members closely and enthusiastically, so much so that subject lost sight of perceptions from higher level leaders.
Line 3: Subject realizes the importance of objectives from upper management, and no longer maintains close relationship w/ former “buddies” and subordinates. Doing so, subject obtains what he/she desires/wants. It is critical to stay righteous at this stage.
Line 4: Following and being followed result in rewards. Dangers loom because subject’s flock of “loyal following” raises suspicions and insecurities from top leaders. As long as the subject operates with trust and let righteous principle be openly felt by doubters, why would there be any regrets?
Line 5: Subject is now the top leader. People follows and respect the subject’s honesty and integrity, thus auspicious.
Line 6: Subject is the senior but not the current leader. It is not easy to lose the control of the organization subject once built, subject installs forceful rules and orders in attempt to maintain status quo. Subject set ceremonies at his home territory in remembrance of his humble beginning and hardship endured along the way.
This is written in response to "interpreting 17". For I Ching to be useful for me, digesting original text and intent was critical. Info below is a literal interpretation from original Chinese text on hex 17, incorporating elaboration written by Confucious. Words are very insightful and inspiring, there is a logical point behind it.
17: Following-The-Leader In Organizations
Inspiration Elements: Lake over Earthquake. Ripples Appears In Calm Lake As Earth Shakes, Signifying Following The Orders From Mother Earth.
Overall: When appropriate follow-the-leader dynamic is executed, organization becomes tighter-knit and stronger. Appropriate follow-the-leader behaviors are depicted here for six escalating positions within an organization.
Line 1: Organization (e.g., government) regulations change and adjust dynamically, obeying to the righteous way shall lead to auspiciousness. Just coming out of protected compound (e.g., school), subject shall interact with those who are more accomplished to attain worthy achievement.
Line 2: Subject is now in a position to lead a small team. Tasting responsibility for the first time, subject interact with team members closely and enthusiastically, so much so that subject lost sight of perceptions from higher level leaders.
Line 3: Subject realizes the importance of objectives from upper management, and no longer maintains close relationship w/ former “buddies” and subordinates. Doing so, subject obtains what he/she desires/wants. It is critical to stay righteous at this stage.
Line 4: Following and being followed result in rewards. Dangers loom because subject’s flock of “loyal following” raises suspicions and insecurities from top leaders. As long as the subject operates with trust and let righteous principle be openly felt by doubters, why would there be any regrets?
Line 5: Subject is now the top leader. People follows and respect the subject’s honesty and integrity, thus auspicious.
Line 6: Subject is the senior but not the current leader. It is not easy to lose the control of the organization subject once built, subject installs forceful rules and orders in attempt to maintain status quo. Subject set ceremonies at his home territory in remembrance of his humble beginning and hardship endured along the way.
To Sooo:
Bruce, thank you for your insights. I am always impressed with your ideas expressed with simple words.
For me, following has a sacred sense which can be felt only in the heart. When I follow something or somebody I acknowledge this to be lifesaving for me. I often recall a phrase from "The brothers Karamazov" by Dostoyevsky: I cannot give two roubles instead of "all" and just go to mass instead of "follow me".
Following is much of one's destiny.
As to the hex 25, many interpretations consider it as disentangling, untying knots. It's relevant to my situation, as a knot is a problem unsolved, tension, a hillock preventing you from footsure going.
I don't want to sound too "high", but I took notice that very often the IC told me about the invisible world, the life of the heart.
Bruce, thank you for your insights. I am always impressed with your ideas expressed with simple words.
For me, following has a sacred sense which can be felt only in the heart. When I follow something or somebody I acknowledge this to be lifesaving for me. I often recall a phrase from "The brothers Karamazov" by Dostoyevsky: I cannot give two roubles instead of "all" and just go to mass instead of "follow me".
Following is much of one's destiny.
As to the hex 25, many interpretations consider it as disentangling, untying knots. It's relevant to my situation, as a knot is a problem unsolved, tension, a hillock preventing you from footsure going.
I don't want to sound too "high", but I took notice that very often the IC told me about the invisible world, the life of the heart.
S
sooo
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This is beautiful. Even though an unusual phrasing to one who speaks only English, it makes a powerful footnote in your H17 commentary, particularly line 6.
I hear you about not wanting to sound "high", but if the Yi failed to address the high, it could make no sense of the low. This is what I love about so many of Wilhelm's commentaries on H1, i.e. "The beginning of all things lies still in the beyond in the form of ideas that have yet to become real. But the Creative furthermore has power to lend form to these archetypes of ideas."
It was my mistake to recite the phrase without any context.
This was said by the young man who decided to follow Christ, not just to go to the church. He felt he could not go the other way.
Returning to the point - I believe we'll reconcile
This was said by the young man who decided to follow Christ, not just to go to the church. He felt he could not go the other way.
Returning to the point - I believe we'll reconcile
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sooo
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Yes, I'd gathered that.