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Recruiting an ally (II)

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Sorry to ask again but, after realizing that the person I was about to use as an intermediary for helping me to recover a relationship that was broke, wasn´t the right person... (This comes from the thread Recruiting an ally)

... I realized that I can get in touch with someone else a lot more reliable (only by phone because right now I´m thousands of miles away), the only problem is that we are not really friends, we just met once, but it happens that I can contact again this person, a real and trusty friend of the one I´m trying to approach... My last resort, altought is painful for me to call this potential intermediary because we lack confidence and I´ll need to say to this person something like: Hi, do you remember me? Yes I had an affair with your friend, and she stopped talking to me because someone I don't know told her fale stories about me, can you help me? but, anyway...

I asked 2 times to the Yi, I know its not a good deal, but here are the answers:

Should I contact this person?

Hex 18 Unchanging

What´s going to happen if I contact this person?

Hex 25.2.6 to 58

Hex 18 unchanging it seems to tell me that this is what I need to do in order to repair my spoiled relationship (Work on what has been spoiled has supreme success...)

Hex 25.2 I don´t need to worry about the outcome??
Hex 25.6 Perfect sincerity offers no guarantee... The best think to do is to wait quietly?

Honestly, my personal interpretation of the changing lines seems contradictory to me, although resulting hexagram 58 is auspicius, isn't it?

maybe the changing lines relate to the way I need to relate to the other person? As usual, I´m lost with the Yi answers :confused:

Thanks again for your interpretations
 

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Should I contact this person?
Hex 18 Unchanging
There is something deep seated acting against where you are now. Things are not right for you. Find a new beginning.

What´s going to happen if I contact this person?

Hex 25.2.6 to 58

Stay away from confusion in this matter - keep things simple. This is not a time to try and grow a new crop. Nothing you do now will be to your advantage.

Maybe now is not he right time to make any attempts to contact and given time 58 - Openly communicate and express yourself freely from the heart.

Love and hugs

Mike
 

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Thanks Mike,

I didn´t know that for interpreting unchanging hexagrams, as in 18, the raw judgment is not the advice in all the situations.

Regarding 58, did you mean that in the future maybe I´ll be able to communicate and express myself, maybe without the need of intermediaries?

Because this is just the problem, I was found guilty of something I never did, without having the chance to explain and communicate my truth to the other person..

Thanks for the insights

David
 

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zelion

There's lots of thoughts on an unchanging hexagram. For me it is saying you are at a peak or low of this "phase" and there is nothing lining up to change. Yi has no special words of guidance at the moment. You are where you are and it is now. The judgement feels for me to be the best interpretation in these cases. By all means take a different view.

Around 58 - I see a situation that there will be opportunities for you to have your say in the future and when the time comes it will be to be honest and open. This will give you a chance to explain and heal the wounds. Heed the advice of 25.2.6 and don't try to jump into communication too quickly, time is needed to allow the situation to clear first.

Love and hugs

Mike.
 

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I see, Hex 58 could have a relationship with another answer from the Yi that I had recently, actually in the first thread about "Recruiting an ally"

When I asked "If I cannot use the help of this person, what will happen if I just keep myself still?"after knowing that the first person I had in mind for helping me out was not the right one..

I got Hex 36.3 to 24

So its like if, by pure chance, I´ll have an opportunity to meet again the person I love, maybe when I´m back to Los Angeles.. Or maybe that this person will find out by herself that everything that was told to her was a big lie who knows. Time will tell.

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Btw, somebody who knows the truth is already trying to help me altough honestly I don´t know how.. So I asked the Yi:

Will this person will be able to help me?

Hex 43.1.2 to 31

So its speaking about the breakthrough required to get the influence (31) to be able to help me, but honestly, the changing lines doesn't sound very good...
 

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I disagree with what has been said about Hex 18, this hex is telling you to contact this person in order to start a renewal of your friendship. To repair what has been spoilt by others, so go for it.
How Mr.Key comes to such an odd conclusion I can't fathom at all. This hex is very positive for your situation where you are trying to repair the damage that has been done.
 

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Hex 25.2 says to contact this person and let them get on with the job and the result will be successful.

Hex 25.6 then it goes on to say, wait patiently as this affair will take a bit of time to sort out, whatever you do don't hassle your helper to get results, patience and time are what are needed.

Hex 58this person will help you achieve a victory, it will all be done through happy and friendly communicating with one another, a successful outcome is indicated.
 

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Thanks for your input willowfox.

What´s your opinion about Hex 25.2.6 to 58?

Its regarding the same question...
 

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Ops! It seems that you already answered me whiles I was asking you!!

Thanks :)
 

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There is something deep seated acting against where you are now. Things are not right for you. Find a new beginning.



Stay away from confusion in this matter - keep things simple. This is not a time to try and grow a new crop. Nothing you do now will be to your advantage.

Hex 18 is the new beginning to take action.

Hex 25.2 does indeed say to carry on growing the crop but not to think of the outcome before it has happened.
 

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Well, my gut feeling is to contact this person. Moreover, I think that this is the only person who is trusty and the same time a REAL friend of the person I love.

Thanks willowfox, I really appreciate your help.

Mike, anyway I want to thank you too because I know that you are just trying to help me and I also appreciate that.

I will all let you know how things develop, thus we'll all learn about the interpretations.

Best,
David
 

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David

You are the best judge of what to take from the readings that you get. All the rest of us can do is offer the best interpretation as we see it. Follow your heart and you will never go far wrong.

Love and hugs

Mike
 
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That´s right...

As soon as I'm able to speak to this person, I´ll let you all know how the conversation has been, because although I won´t know the final outcome of this story yet, I will be able to see how this person reacts to the things I´ll be telling her.

I think that is very easy to realize if is someone is really going to help or not, just with a conversation.. :) Now I just need to gather strenght for calling this person, not an easy thing for me!
 

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Update

Hi,

I just wanted to give you an update on the situation:

I was finally able to talk to this person,although I was the only one talking, since she was at work, and because of the big time zone difference, 9 hours, I could not call at a later time.. So anyway this person was really surprised of my call, I explained the situation and asked for help, but to be honest I was so stressed while talking that I don´t know If I´ve been clear while explaining to her, or I don´t know if this person was receptive, since was in her work...

After this, I asked the Yi:

What will happen with this situation now that I have asked for help?

Hex 28.2.3.6 to 12 (doesn´t sound very good)

Will I be able to recover the person I love?

Hex 30 (I learned time ago that this is a total conflict hexagram unless its casted on a snake month or day, but since I didn´t know wich animals rule September 25, I asked the same question again..)

Hex 25.3 to 13 (line 3 sounds awful to me)

Any insight into this would be great, but to me it sounds as if, although I've done a great sacrifice contacting this person, maybe I didn´t did a good job :confused:
 

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I've been following your threads through about this issue, not diligently but to get the idea and all along I've been thinking if you have to go to such extraordinary lengths to regain the trust of this person is it really worth it ? Why does this person always believe another person over you ? Why are they so ready to disbelieve you and believe someone else. Seems to me all your hopes are pinned on convincing this girl of your innocence in the midst of all the misunderstanding - but why can't she give you any leeway, do you thinks shes actually interested in hearing your truth ? Weren't you at one time calling her many many times a day and she refused your calls ? (apologies if this was not you). If she wanted to hear your side wouldn't she allow you to speak ?

If i were you i might relax and let the truth come out in its own time - actually if i were you I'd walk away if shes always so ready to believe the worst - but I'm not you lol . Anyway I think you've done so many readings on this now they don't seem to make the situation any clearer. Maybe you need to step back and consider if this campaign is really serving you -
 

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"What will happen with this situation now that I have asked for help?

Hex 28.2.3.6 to 12"

Hex 28.2 this indicates that the situation will find new life through your contacting this person, she will cooperate with you.

Hex 28.3 this line says you will have to rely on this person to help you.

Hex 28.6 you are in a very difficult position, big sacrifices are going to need to be made if you continue your quest, you must decide whether it is worth going on with it or not, if it is truly true love then the sacrifices will be worthwhile.

Hex 12 is a time when no progress will be made, so it calls upon you to be still and very patient.
 

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I've been following your threads through about this issue, not diligently but to get the idea and all along I've been thinking if you have to go to such extraordinary lengths to regain the trust of this person is it really worth it ? Why does this person always believe another person over you ? Why are they so ready to disbelieve you and believe someone else. Seems to me all your hopes are pinned on convincing this girl of your innocence in the midst of all the misunderstanding - but why can't she give you any leeway, do you thinks shes actually interested in hearing your truth ? Weren't you at one time calling her many many times a day and she refused your calls ? (apologies if this was not you). If she wanted to hear your side wouldn't she allow you to speak ?

If i were you i might relax and let the truth come out in its own time - actually if i were you I'd walk away if shes always so ready to believe the worst - but I'm not you lol . Anyway I think you've done so many readings on this now they don't seem to make the situation any clearer. Maybe you need to step back and consider if this campaign is really serving you -

Hi zelion :)

I tend to agree with trojan's remarks. It seems as though she has had ample opportunity to hear you out and has refused? I don't know if that means you should give it up as a lost cause but possibly you should do as trojan suggests...relax and step back a bit. The truth does have a way of coming out in its own way and time. Many times we get results from change more quickly if we allow to do its own thing.

I also would like to offer this http://www.biroco.com/yijing/avoid.htm and only because you seem to be going through something I have struggled with myself. It is very easy to become addicted to a particular line of questioning especially if you have your heart and soul involved in the outcome. And I have found that, I at least, begin to see a negative pattern in the responses I get. Not because their negative in and of themselves but because I seem to lose the abililty to take a simple answer and go with it. Or because I forget that change is movement and that it only moves in stages and only when it is time for it to move.

Have you ever asked " What would be the outcome if I did not pursue this person?"
or maybe "What may if I allow the truth to be made known through another source?"
Maybe those questions aren't right for you and I am sure someone here can phrase them much better than I can but you probably understand what I am driving at.

Anywho just my yens worth :D and how ever things work out for you I wish you many blessings

beithe
 

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if you have to go to such extraordinary lengths to regain the trust of this person is it really worth it ? Why does this person always believe another person over you ? Why are they so ready to disbelieve you and believe someone else?

Trojan, in a more common scenario, no wonder that I would forget this girl since she just seems to ignore me, but it happens that this person ha´ve been living in hell because of a really bad former relationship, and knowing this, somebody used it as a weapon against me, warning this person that I was the same oh my god! Of course when I realized this plot it was too late, and I knew all this by pure chance! Anyway, at the beginning, seeing how big the mess was, I tried to forget this person, but you know what? We always meet each other by chance! And I don´t belive in chance, we found ourselves in the most unusual places, for instance, when my friends told me, come on, lets go to have dinner together in place x,have fun and forget that girl... then she appeared there! Of course, after seeing me there and freak out for a while, she leaved.. and this happened more than one time in a few days, in very different places in different neighbourhoods of L.A...places where I´ve never been before... incredible.... for me that means somenthing, that eventually made me reinforce my idea that this person is my soul mate.. But who knows, maybe is just my fantasy... That´s the reason I´m going to such extraordinary lenghts.

Anyway, after speaking to her friend, I felt really relieved, because I did everything earthly possible, and because now, someone trusty and very close to her, knows the truth, or at least had heard it. And calling this person was a big sacrifice to me, really, so now the hardest work is done, I´ll only make just another call in a few weeks to hear feedback form this person, but it won´t require such a big amount of enery from me, unlike the first call, really traumatic!

Willowfox

Thanks for your interpretations, yours make sense to me. And the sacrifice of 28.6 I think is the fact to wait for the outcome for a long time, taking a flight back to Los Angeles, and so on.. instead of letting go and keep going on with my life, but I´m ready to do that, cos I see this girl a really inmature one, but a really good person with a big hearth, just blocked by the evil that overcomed her in the past, and I´ve already made so many sacrifices...

Beithe

You are right too, like Trojan says, whathever I do, right now is the time to relax and step back a bit, everything´s already in motion, my call to this potential intermediary has been like a little push to a snow ball in the top of a mountain, and right now the ball is already rolling down (I hope that rolls over the people that deceived this girl!) so now is the time to wait and see...

I read the warning about addictive questioning and yes, I need to take care about that, because I don´t want to spoil my relationship with the Yi!

Anyway, I already started to live my life again, if this person eventually sees the truth, I´ll be ready to be there... If this person is not able to do so, I´m sure I´ll find other person that is worth my attention, or maybe she finds me :)

Thanks to all!
 

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Btw, it will require a little bit of time, but I´ll keep you all up to date with this as soon as news and events unfold...
 

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