Recurring dreams and the men in grey again...

[cal val]

This morning is either the third or fourth time I've had this dream.

The men in grey are gathered around and are telling me that the person in line 1 of hexagram 37 wants to help me... protect me, keep me out of harm's way, etc. They are pointing to a man who is outside my field of vision.

This man that is outside my field of vision is also the person in line 48.5 in the Sam Reifler nterpretation:

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR SIZE=0><!-Quote-!><FONT SIZE=1>Quote:</FONT>

Another's mind and heart are open to you. The other needs only an invitation to come and bring about the resolution of all your confusion. But -- you do not know who this other is.<!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>
Love,

Val

 

[soshin]

Val,

maybe this just means that you should have an open mind about a person who will step into your life into the (near?) future?
Or maybe it is not a person, perhaps an idea, a thought, a picture of something like the little girl which wants to come up to the surface?
Maybe you'd ask her?

I read the Wilhelm and it seems to me that this one is important. And absolutely good for you. A lot of people I know, including me, are now on an interesting and mind-blowing quest. Lots of outer - and even more important - inner changes. I deeply trust they are for good! Like said at the very end of "Zen in the Art of Motorcycle maintenance": "From now one anything will become better. One can feel that, somehow."

Fingers crossed,

Soshin

 

[candid]

Val,

37.1 points to the child in the family. An old phrase which comes to mind: and a child shall lead them.

48.5 represents not heaven but its representative; the one here on earth who dispenses living water (life) to the people.

C

 

[cal val]

Soshin...

Thank you so much. I do believe you're onto something. I'm going to wait and see what happens next... with an open mind as you say. There's something else that's been going on for a couple of months, and something happened quite unexpectedly today after the dream that indicated to me I require the help of an expert to deal with it. The dreams might be telling me as much, but I rather doubt it. My experience in my waking life is confirmation enough. I don't need no stinkin' dreams to tell me I need to get help... and quick... *grin*

Candid...

Just a bit of trivia I hope you'll enjoy... 48 also meant my full trashbag when I lost something valuable. It meant digging deep into the trashbag all the way down to the coffee grounds, nectarine peels and onion skins to find it.

Actually a friend figured out 48 was the trashbag in hindsight. When I got 48, I looked around the sinks and bathtub to no avail. I finally figured out where it was when the Yi told me to look where the broken toaster oven (29 to 50) was.

Love to all,

Val

 

[candid]

The Well is a trashbag and the Cauldron a broken toaster oven? Sounds like the ?New Revised Paraphrased Color-to-Suite Edition I Ching?.

Good grief.

 

[tashiiij]

Val...your grandson?

 

[cal val]

Candid...

It's also called letting go of those preconceived notions... as you so wisely suggested in another thread... just letting go... letting the Yi communicate with you anyway they can... including using the symbols in the hexagrams if that's what works.

They said more. At first I wasn't understanding because I was trying to do the east, west, north and south thing. I was trying to tell them how to use the book to communicate with me. Pfffffftttt. How arrogant is that??!!! I ask you Candid... *grin* So, in my arrogance, I ended up tearing this house apart for three days. I wouldn't have had to if I would have let them use the book their way. I finally figured it out when they gave me the hexagram with the obvious symbol for my lost valuable to let me know how they were using the book. I burst out laughing, put all the clues together and went straight for it.

The hexagram for my lost item... 21

*grin* No... make that *big toothy grin*

Love ya,

Val

 

[cal val]

Tash...

It might be my grandson. He's so wonderful... *grin* I spent last Saturday with him.

In the dream it was a grown man... just outside my peripheral vision. Maybe my grandson grown. I really hate to think I have to wait until he's grown though. I'll be about 70 to 80 years old when that happens.

I kind of get that Soshin was very perceptive... that my inner child knows who the man is. And I trust her (little Val) to let me know... when the time is right. I do know there is someone out there "waiting" for me to figure things out because of other indications... Sam Reifler's intrepretation of 48.5 being just one of them. I really wish he'd just give me a little wave or step into my field of vision or something, so we can just get on with it, but I've learned through the Yi that...*singing* "You can't always get what you wa-ant, No you can't always get what you wa-ant, but if you try sometimes you just might find... you get what you need."

Love ya,

Val

 

[cheiron]

Val

37.1

All things come in their correct time? was not that what your ?first dream was about? The vision of the great interconnected march of time and events?

(Wagging my finger and smiling)

Or were they telling you to act now?

37.1 To me, is the beginning of the Dwelling time when you have your ?Dwelling? but not yet the ?Dwellers?? It carries a message to prepare the Dwelling and to wait for the ?inhabitants' to arrive It relates to 53 ?Gradual Progress? ? This is the way to make progress.

A Dwelling is not necessarily a house but could be the idea or network in which you reside and from where your ?centre of the moment? has its foundation.

Have you asked what it is that you have to do now to complete the movement of the time?

Warmly

--Kevin

PS ? Impressed at your use of the Yi Jing to find your smile? You used the Yi exactly as Diana Ffarington Hook did in her example of finding lost objects.

 

[candid]

Val,

You may be correct of course. But Chris' theories seem more appropriate to me in this case, in that the relevancy was related more to your own rational assignment of symbols than to any sort of oracle-effect performed by Yi. But of course that's impossible to prove either way. I mean, I know Yi has a sense of humor but I've never thought it was self-effacing. And who is to say a garbage bag isn't sacred? Perhaps the lost item ?in it? made it so, at least you. You were the inquirer.

I should heed better. In older age I seem to lose more than I own. (hey, that was self-effacing!)

*grins back at ya*

C

 

[cal val]

Hi Kevin!

Thanks for all this additional input about the dream. Very very helpful.

Yes there's a lot I understand about the dream that I've been holding back in order to not influence anyone's input. My understanding is much more simplicistic though than your offering.

I know what 37 means... the family... and it changes to 53 when line 1 changes. Yeah we like that... *grin* And the Wilhelm/Baynes version starts off 37 by talking about the place of the husband and wife in the family. So I scratched my blonde little head in which resides an IQ over 90, checked my anatomy, then did the math (1 + 1) and got that the "hidden" man is the husband in the equation.

But I didn't get the message you got, and I thank you so much for it. It makes so much sense. Is that like... like like like Calculus or something? *grin*

Does Diana Ffarington Hook have a book out? Never mind, I'll look for it on the net. Watch your best-seller list for MY next book... [insert suspense music here] "When A Root Canal Goes Bad."

It was quite the adventure Kevin. Searching for one little white thing in an overcrowded apartment. There's more to the story. In hindsight, they led me right to it from day one of the search, even told me where I lost it, how it got into the trash (it was entangled in something) and that I would have to 25 it to find it. But I didn't successfully 25 it that first day, so I was confused, and they had to give me more clues that led me back to the trash with certainty... including 25 again to the question of the trash again. Another clue was that if I put the trash out for collection without searching again (the day I found it) it would be lost forever (23 to 63). There were two trash bags to put out. One had the toaster oven in it. It was a very close call. The trash truck was noisily making it down the street when I asked, and they had just arrived at my house when I made my decision and handed them the bag without the toaster oven... with confidence.

Sound like an exciting novel to you? No doubt in MY mind it will make the best seller list... *grin*

Love,

Val

 

[cal val]

Candid...

Nice smile! Are those all yours?

Love ya,

Val

 

[bradford_h]

Hi Val-
I don't get it. Wasn't it a condition of your salvation that you solve for the Dexicant in the Shigong Bai Matrix? Have you even Tried?
b

 

[candid]

Val,
Heck yeah, 'cept for the front three which I've replaced with ivory guitar picks. Figured if Jimi could play with his teeth I should give it a shot.

 

[Sparhawk]

<BLOCKQUOTE><HR SIZE=0><!-Quote-!><FONT SIZE=1>Quote:</FONT>

Does Diana Ffarington Hook have a book out? Never mind, I'll look for it on the net. <!-/Quote-!><HR SIZE=0></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, she's in Wilhelm's company by now. Hers must have been a very interesting life. Born in Brazil of British parents. Educated in London and an I Ching consultant in South Africa. She died there in 1982.

I do recommend her books though. I have all three of them. She was a lady who came to understand the Yi when no Masters were available and the Internet was only a DOD buzzword.

L

 

[cal val]

Brad...

Huh? What? Salvation? I'm not Christian. I don't need saving. Do I? What do you know about dexicant? Where is this Shigong Bai Matrix? Not too far I hope. I can't even afford to get out of this little town... *grin*

So if it involves math, I'm not the person for the job. If it simply involves inductive or deductive reasoning skills, I might be able to handle it.

Love ya,

Val

 

[cheiron]

Hi Val

Ah, opening Wilhelm ? See what you mean? what a dark view if the line!

Here?s how I got there? I read Ritsema Karcher!

Chia - Home; House; Household Family; domestic; indoors; live in. = Dwelling

Jen - Humans individually; humankind etc = People

They give the first line as:

a) Enclosing possessing a dwelling
Repenting extinguished

b) Enclosing possessing a dwelling
Purpose not yet transformed indeed.


Hsien: Put inside a fence or barrier; restrain; obstruct; forbid pen; corral = Enclosing

But I think you have that book?

So Bradford carries a slightly different emphasis on Line 1 by subtle choice differences of the single English words:


? 37.1, 1st 9
Boundaries maintain the family
Regrets pass
37.1x
Boundaries maintain the family:
The purposes have yet to evolve

From: http://www.hermetica.info/

I like the Risema Karcher view best here (this time) as it has that lovely line one ring to it? ?before the beginning of the situation?

You clearly knew you were looking for someone... applied to the first line... I got what I said in the first post (for right or wrong)

You said: ?But I didn't get the message you got, and I thank you so much for it. It makes so much sense. Is that like... like like like Calculus or something? *grin*?

Now if I wasn?t blond and you were not American I would suspect you of ironic humour there (grin)

Yup you need a cross world puzzle mind to use the Yi Jing like that - Ffarrington Hook tells a similar story of frustration at getting the symbolic meaning:

She had mislaid a bunch of keys... got Hx.48 - The Well... She noted there were no moving lines so, "there was not much I had to do" eg they were easilly accessible.

"The Well indicated something fixed or permanent... people come and go but the well does not move... I was in rented propery (and)my thoughts turned to those things which did not move [not the furnature etc]..."

She found them in a fitted cupboar above the line of eye...

"The I Ching and You" Diana Ffarington Hook RKP London 1973

Now, I have a blond guy?s typical IQ of 900 and something like that would be beyond me. (How do decimal points work again?)

Chuckling and wishing you the best for this time

--Kevin

PS I edited my previous post... hope it might be clearer.

 

[cheiron]

Sorry Brad

That must look cheeky - crossed post - would not have quoted you knowing you were about.

--Kevin

 

[cal val]

Kevin...

I just got something from your second post that I didn't get before. Feels good.
<BLOCKQUOTE>"Purpose not yet transformed indeed."
"The purposes have yet to evolve"</BLOCKQUOTE>
Thank you again.

Love,

Val

 

[bradford_h]

Hi Kevin-
Sorry for what?
Do I have to lurk to get quoted? I'll lurk then.

Hi Val-
Salvation isn't always Christian, doesn't require mental neutering. But in your case you will need that Dexicant.

b

 

[cheiron]

Please come out from behind that cupboard Mr b

I merely just did not want to appear to be talking over you with you own words. That's not very polite where I come from.

Mr b?

--Kevin

 

[cal val]

Brad...

Okay well I'm ready for the dexicant. Where is it? I did a google search for all sorts of configurations of shigong bai matrix and dexicant and came up empty.

Love,

Val

 

[bradford_h]

Kevin-
Pay no attention to that man behind the cupboard.
Besides, I wrote it all down so's it wouldn't matter if someday in the future I was dead or something.
b

 

[candid]

Careful Kevin! Brad has a can of soup, and knows how to use it!

 

[cheiron]

Chuckles

Hi Candid

--K

 

[heylise]

I lost some important papers once. Searched through the whole house for 2 weeks, and finally asked the Yi: "Tied with yellow ox-hide".

I had one thing, a piece of furniture, which looked a bit like yellow ox-hide, a big polished yellow-wooden chair. It had strips of wood as back, and a big cushion against that. I looked behind those 'bars', and there they were. Found them in a few minutes, after these weeks of searching.

LiSe

 

[hilary]

This is from memory, but when Diana ff-H lost her keys and received 48, hadn't she left them in the airing cupboard - ie, by the water tank?

 

[cheiron]

Hi Hilary

Yes, you are perhaps correct... pp. 36 - 37 (ref. as above)... "linnen cupboard"...

--Kevin

 

[soshin]

Hi all,

just wanted to add another trivia Yijing story, which happened to me about ten years ago in India when I was travelling back home from a trekking holiday in the Nepali Himalayas.

I were a serious backpacker then, (always having my Lonely Planet at hand ) and I took a secondclass train from a city close to the Nepal Border back to New Delhi. It was in late May, temperatures were quite high - about 100*F or 44*C. The train terminated at New Delhi Railway Station and I was very happy to get a room in a Guesthouse in walking distance from the station.

When I were in my cool airconditioned room I asked the Yijijng - nothing special, were just courios about the dao of my last days in India before flying back home to Vienna.

I can clearly remember the moving line, was something like: "You lose your prized posessions and have to move up to the hills. But don't grieve, they will come back to you at the seventh day" Can't say for sure which hexagram it was.

It was 9 o'clock a.m. as I got this answer, and of course I was wondering which possesion I will lose... But then I recognized I already lost something. My trekking boots, which took me around the Annapurna Mountains and which I had put under the chair in the railway wagon, replacing them with slippers because it was so hot. I forgot to change them back when I left the train.

If you ever were in India, you will surely agree that the probability to get them back was nearly inexistent. But the Yi clearly said I'll get them back. So I decided to walk back out into the heat to the Station to report the loss to the Railway Police. They were quite amused about my problem and handed me a blank sheet of paper on which I should write down the circumstances of my loss. Of course it had five carbon copies....

But I went through all that paperwork, got a lot of rubber stamps on my copy of this "notice of loss" and reported by the head of the station. He was very ungracious and told me to wait. You know, what you learn first on that kind of journey is patience...

So after a few hours a servant took me to the parked train and we even found the correct wagon and the cabin. And - believe it or not - they were there.

Gosh, I were happy. From that on I trusted the Yijing unconditionally.

Were happy it needed not seven days to get them back but seven hours only....

Greetings,

Soshin

 

[soshin]

Btw...

About the "Dexicant" and the " Shigong Bai Matrix"... Guess Mr. Bradford is kidding....

Hope I'll not get lynched....

Soshin