saving project-hexagram 3

[yamabushi]

How can I save this project from destroying by inferior people?
I got hexagram 3 unchanging.
I m having problem with unchanging hexagram, does this mean that I have to find allies and carefully advance and everything will be fine or it mean that situation is stuck and I cant do nothing?

 

[patro]

when unchanging:
there is an impediment from beginning of the project, it's persisting and not been resolved. probably because you do not see it as an impediment!
to develop successfully the project you must at first recognize the problem, solve it.

 

[yamabushi]

when unchanging:
there is an impediment from beginning of the project, it's persisting and not been resolved. probably because you do not see it as an impediment!
to develop successfully the project you must at first recognize the problem, solve it.

Can I ask Yi what is the problem?

 

[patro]

Can I ask Yi what is the problem?

is better you wait.
try at first to analyze the situation.... try to recognize the problem, or the person responsible for the problem. probably the person could be one seen from you as not "inferior". change point of view.... try to be unbiased... try to have a clear view... then you can ask all what you want.

PS: are you a kind of broker/investor?

 

[icastes]

It means that you are faced with many obstacles and problems and that you would be better off taking it slowly to go forward. Wait for an opportune moment, and don't just rashly move ahead.

 

[yamabushi]

It means that you are faced with many obstacles and problems and that you would be better off taking it slowly to go forward. Wait for an opportune moment, and don't just rashly move ahead.

Now, I m having a strong friend, person in authority position, I asked him for help and he promised me to do it.
I asked; "What can I expect from his help"? and answer is 52.2>18
Part about not happy heart does not sound good. But I obtain 18 once as a resultant hexagram and everything finish excellent.
Does it mean that he will stop me in my one course of action (which will not make me happy) and change it another which will lead to detoxification (18)?
I saw that there is lot of diffrent opinions about 52.2>18....

 

[pocossin]

How can I save this project from being destroyed by inferior people?
3 > 3

☵ ☵
☳ ☳


Counter opposition by superior knowledge and organization. The upper trigram is penetration, the lower action. Penetrating action overcome opposition.

3 The Judgement

Difficulty at the Beginning works supreme success,
Furthering through perseverance.
Nothing should be undertaken.
It furthers one to appoint helpers.

You should not attempt to advance this project until you have the right people in place.

3 The Image

Clouds and thunder:
The image of Difficulty at the Beginning.
Thus the superior man
Brings order out of confusion.

The leader unites those below.

 

[yamabushi]

How can I save this project from being destroyed by inferior people?
3 > 3

☵ ☵
☳ ☳


Counter opposition by superior knowledge and organization. The upper trigram is penetration, the lower action. Penetrating action overcome opposition.

3 The Judgement

Difficulty at the Beginning works supreme success,
Furthering through perseverance.
Nothing should be undertaken.
It furthers one to appoint helpers.

You should not attempt to advance this project until you have the right people in place.

3 The Image

Clouds and thunder:
The image of Difficulty at the Beginning.
Thus the superior man
Brings order out of confusion.

The leader unites those below.

What about 52.2>18, in five diffrent books, I found five diffrent interpretations....

 

[pocossin]

What about 52.2>18, in five diffrent books, I found five diffrent interpretations....

What can I expect from his help?
52.2>18

☶ ☶
☶ ☴

Your strong friend is your mountain (52). Line 52.2 is the place of action, but the person is inactive because of difficulty (the lower nuclear trigram), and help will be frustratingly delayed. In 18 (Wilhelm) the phrase "setting right what has been spoiled" occurs three times, suggesting that the difficulty the project has encountered will be overcome. So your friend will help, but things will not progress as quickly as you want.

 

[yamabushi]

is better you wait.
try at first to analyze the situation.... try to recognize the problem, or the person responsible for the problem. probably the person could be one seen from you as not "inferior". change point of view.... try to be unbiased... try to have a clear view... then you can ask all what you want.

PS: are you a kind of broker/investor?

something similar but on a much smaller way

 

[yamabushi]

What can I expect from his help?
52.2>18

☶ ☶
☶ ☴

Your strong friend is your mountain (52). Line 52.2 is the place of action, but the person is inactive because of difficulty (the lower nuclear trigram), and help will be frustratingly delayed. In 18 (Wilhelm) the phrase "setting right what has been spoiled" occurs three times, suggesting that the difficulty the project has encountered will be overcome. So your friend will help, but things will not progress as quickly as you want.

So according to hexagram 3 and 52.2>18 everything should be fine at the end?
Should I ask something more to clarifythe situation?

 

[patro]

something similar but on a much smaller way

I have an project in luxury Swiss complicated watch segments!
could you interested in such a project kind? I'm looking for partners!

 

[pocossin]

So according to hexagram 3 and 52.2>18 everything should be fine at the end?
Should I ask something more to clarifythe situation?

Completing a project and whether a business will prosper in the long term are different issues. If you do the right things along the way the project should come to a successful conclusion. In my opinion another casting is justified only when earlier castings have been acted upon and completed.

 

[yamabushi]

Completing a project and whether a business will prosper in the long term are different issues. If you do the right things along the way the project should come to a successful conclusion. In my opinion another casting is justified only when earlier castings have been acted upon and completed.

Business will prosper I know it
It is everything about re-starting the project which already prove as sucsesfull after summer pause, not about completing. Does it now look auspicious?
I dont have to ask another question like; will I sucsesfully restart the project with help and influnce of my help?
It is clear that I will?

 

[patro]

You must at first try to find the problem...
as I just say... probably isn't seen from you as a problem or a problematic person.

 

[pocossin]

Business will prosper I know it
It is everything about re-starting the project which already prove as sucsesfull after summer pause, not about completing. Does it now look auspicious?
I dont have to ask another question like; will I sucsesfully restart the project with help and influnce of my help?
It is clear that I will?

If the project already proved successful, why was it paused? And what might cause it to pause again in the future? Profitable businesses don't just pause, often because the window of opportunity for their products and services is limited, and pauses give competitors a chance to enter the market. Will profit margins be the same after this pause? If you can clean up (18) the reasons for the pause, the project is auspicious.

 

[patro]

How can I save this project from destroying by inferior people?
I got hexagram 3 unchanging.
I m having problem with unchanging hexagram, does this mean that I have to find allies and carefully advance and everything will be fine or it mean that situation is stuck and I cant do nothing?

why not simply ask at first:

which is the future of project X?
or
where is project X moving?
or
what I have to expect from project X (time)?

because a possible meaning of hex 3 in this case could due... you are wrong to think what you asked at first.

 

[yamabushi]

If the project already proved successful, why was it paused? And what might cause it to pause again in the future? Profitable businesses don't just pause, often because the window of opportunity for their products and services is limited, and pauses give competitors a chance to enter the market. Will profit margins be the same after this pause? If you can clean up (18) the reasons for the pause, the project is auspicious.

Sport projects are often pausing over summer.
Cause for failure of restarting it can only be jalousy of inferior people which are often in birocratic position.

 

[proserpine]

Yamaushi and # 3 and #52.2 to 18

It is true that you may not see the problems for what it is.
I never experienced "Difficulty at the Beginning" as evidence of not asking the right question so much as the need to back up and re-evaluate.
When things are just forming, it is too soon to tell what direction they will go in or grow into.
The difficulty is not to be ignored or rushed.
The image is of a tiny plant struggling to grow and push through the earth.
Just like we would not push the little plant to grow taller or sprout more before it is ready, we can't force this project or awareness of its potential.--Though we *can* take proper care of the little plant so it has the *opportunity* to grow strong.

You need to hold back and strengthen your position as is now--not consider or project into the future just now..
Yes, allies/partners & advisers are important and knowing who you can trust and rely on is important.
I also know this hexagram to mean sorting out the various confusing pieces like we do threads in a tangled ball.
Are there complications to this project maybe?
Anyway, re: #52 I wondered if it is simply describing you not being able to change much yet--even if your friend will help,or is already assisting you.
Again, like #3, # 52 suggests you are not clear in your thoughts--emotions and/or thoughts are confused or scattered.
Can you sit in meditation on this?
At least, calm yourself emotionally and refuse for now to alow yourself to think and plot too far ahead.As was said to you by patros you may be missing the deeper or true problem here.
Don't ask what is it yet--though you can...but more likely, if you get your mind off it, sleep on it, and come back to it later, you will realize what really is the problem here.Then it all will become clear.
Now, with # 52 line 2, either you cannot stop your friend once he gets going or he cannot stop you.
Though,I suspect that, again, this line is referring to how you're looking tooo far ahead and putting the cart before the horse.
Don't go further than what you know *now* and don't worry either.
Somehow by staying in today, you will know what to do the next day.
But, recognizng *what* the decay is as discussed in #18 --then a plan can be made to rectify things.

 

[lienshan]

How can I save this project from destroying by inferior people?
I got hexagram 3 unchanging.
I m having problem with unchanging hexagram, does this mean that I have to find allies and carefully advance and everything will be fine or it mean that situation is stuck and I cant do nothing?

The unchanging hexagram indicates, that you should focus on the Judgement and the Grand Image texts.

The phrase "inferior people" of your question seems to be the problem seen from that point of view.

 

[yamabushi]

It is true that you may not see the problems for what it is.
I never experienced "Difficulty at the Beginning" as evidence of not asking the right question so much as the need to back up and re-evaluate.
When things are just forming, it is too soon to tell what direction they will go in or grow into.
The difficulty is not to be ignored or rushed.
The image is of a tiny plant struggling to grow and push through the earth.
Just like we would not push the little plant to grow taller or sprout more before it is ready, we can't force this project or awareness of its potential.--Though we *can* take proper care of the little plant so it has the *opportunity* to grow strong.

You need to hold back and strengthen your position as is now--not consider or project into the future just now..
Yes, allies/partners & advisers are important and knowing who you can trust and rely on is important.
I also know this hexagram to mean sorting out the various confusing pieces like we do threads in a tangled ball.
Are there complications to this project maybe?
Anyway, re: #52 I wondered if it is simply describing you not being able to change much yet--even if your friend will help,or is already assisting you.
Again, like #3, # 52 suggests you are not clear in your thoughts--emotions and/or thoughts are confused or scattered.
Can you sit in meditation on this?
At least, calm yourself emotionally and refuse for now to alow yourself to think and plot too far ahead.As was said to you by patros you may be missing the deeper or true problem here.
Don't ask what is it yet--though you can...but more likely, if you get your mind off it, sleep on it, and come back to it later, you will realize what really is the problem here.Then it all will become clear.
Now, with # 52 line 2, either you cannot stop your friend once he gets going or he cannot stop you.
Though,I suspect that, again, this line is referring to how you're looking tooo far ahead and putting the cart before the horse.
Don't go further than what you know *now* and don't worry either.
Somehow by staying in today, you will know what to do the next day.
But, recognizng *what* the decay is as discussed in #18 --then a plan can be made to rectify things.

Thank you proserpine, thank you lienshan...

Yes, there was need to back up and re-evaluate. I done it, I hope sucssesfully...

I m having strong partners, I already got signature from one person in authority position but opposition still do their best to stop me.
They have advantage in the beggining because they prepare for it, and I was suprised.


Now about 52.2, my friend who already helped me lot of times, he stopped me in my course of action, told me that it is not good, told me what to do (which I did) and promise me that with that improves he will do his best. I wonder is that what line 2 did mean.
I obtain 18 once, it was 57.5>18, it was about trial, everything was good but I used too much force (opposite to advice from 57) so I complicated and prolonged things but at the end everything settled fine....

It is very hard for me to meditate because I m very nervous person and I hate to wait, especially for important decisions...

 

[yamabushi]

Ok, I asked; Will I save the project? Answer; hexagram 27 unchanging

what does it mean?

 

[patro]

well... I give a look in to 2 books and finally I got the point... the 2 comment when unchanging are very similar.

anyway... if you are satisfied with the situation at time... maintain it...
but if you are unsatisfied... then it's time to change it!
the time of nourishment is the time to take...the more you take the more you get!

 

[lienshan]

How can I save this project from destroying by inferior people?
I got hexagram 3 unchanging.

Ok, I asked; Will I save the project?
Answer; hexagram 27 unchanging

Hex 3 is Water above Thunder and Hex 27 is Mountain above Thunder.
Water means eroding, undermining. Mountain means stand still, blocking.
Thunder means arousing, erupting.
Thunder symbolizes your project and the above trigrams the opposition against your project.

I think that you have to split the opposition making a compromize with one or more of them?

 

[yamabushi]

Hex 3 is Water above Thunder and Hex 27 is Mountain above Thunder.
Water means eroding, undermining. Mountain means stand still, blocking.
Thunder means arousing, erupting.
Thunder symbolizes your project and the above trigrams the opposition against your project.

I think that you have to split the opposition making a compromize with one or more of them?

Thank you patro, thank you lienshan...

My friend sign documents for me, tomorrow I have to take them to the third person for final negotiating.
I asked, what can I expect when tomorrow I go there, answer 18,3,4,6>40.

Does 40 mean end of troubles?

 

[proserpine]

You asked if the troubles will be over (re:18 changing to 40).The simplest answer -yes.
Nonetheless, I notice you're not paying attention.
I went into detail about holding back, waiting, and meditating getting a better idea what and how to do what you need to do.
You say you are too nervous to meditate.
Then you asked again if things would be allright, and received #27.
I can understand not wanting to or finding it difficult to sit in meditation, but you can relax for 5 minutes, or evne for 1 minute look into a candlelight, or close your eyes and imagine a flower or bowl of pretty fruit..for one minute even your mind will calm somewhat.
But OK then,that is just my way to let you know you don't have to sit Za-Zen in full lotus to meditate/ have "quiet time".

What I most want to point out is that things did not just work out however..
You did what the Yi suggested--you enlisted helpers and got your trusted friend to take care of some of it, and you have allowed more help too--and now have papers to sign--which will bring you to some more negotiations I believe, and finally deliverance from your business troubles now or soon.
That's what you wanted, and Im glad, too.

But, remember-#40 also always means if you do *not* follow through anything you know you still need to do, and finish up the release or deliverance, you may either sabotage it, or more likely, wind up in trouble again sometime in the not-too-distant future.
See what I mean?..you kept asking and asking --'will I save the project, will things work out'--but you didn't want to do what the Yi suggested --you just wanted to know.
Now, however, you *did* some of what was suggested and you'll most likely be released from trouble.
You still have to be cautious and vigilant though.
Because, #18 still discusses working on what was messed up in this project before.
That "what was spoiled/ messed up before you were involved" could mean the boss, or former boss, another employee or business partner,or,even, your inner struggles with old beliefs, childhood/ parental influences, vs. knowing clearly today, here and now, what is right for you. OK?
I wish you all the best Yamabushi.
Good luck

 

[ginnie]

I asked, what can I expect when tomorrow I go there, answer 18,3,4,6>40. Does 40 mean end of troubles?

Looks to me like a temporary release from troubles.

I have some thoughts about Yi's response to you: This project may not be the most important thing you should be putting all your time and attention into right now. In other words, you have invested a lot of time and energy in this project, but the I Ching is saying that your true concerns are on a higher level. Either that, or you have personal matters to take care of.

 

[yamabushi]

Thank you prosperine, thank you ginnie...

after the quick negotiation I achieved succes but opposition counter it very soon. Yi was completly right about 18.3.4>40, but 40 last very short...I have been involved in second round of negotiatings and in the end result was 0-0. Neither one side did not achieve succses.
I asked Yi, what shuld I do now and I recieved 49.4>63
I also asked, how should I behave toward the reppresentative person of the opposition. Answer; 31.2.4.5>46
Any suggestions?

 

[ginnie]

Whatever the nature of your business, it seems highly risky and highly entrepreneurial. Very exciting, like playing a game ... but I'm reluctant to get involved as I realize I have no idea what kind of dealings I'm helping you with, Yamabushi.

 

[yamabushi]

Whatever the nature of your business, it seems highly risky and highly entrepreneurial. Very exciting, like playing a game ... but I'm reluctant to get involved as I realize I have no idea what kind of dealings I'm helping you with, Yamabushi.

I m not doing nothing unmoral or unjustice, I m just defending my projects and ideas against people who wants to destroy it just to feed their ego. If I would doing something wrong Yi would refuse to help me, I think...