Second hexagram is always 1 or 2

[aron_woolf]

I use I Ching about 16 years. 2-3 years ago, when i ask a question second hexagram is almost always hexagram 1 or 2. Sometimes i ask ten questions and all answers have hexagram 1 for a second hexagram. What do you people think about that?

 

[jesed]

means that it would be wise for you to start knowing the "golden flower" meditation.

best wishes

 

[aron_woolf]

Thanks for answer
.How to find out about golden flower?

 

[dobro p]

Aron_woolf: instead of asking Jesed how to find out about golden flower meditation, perhaps it would be useful to ask Jesed what golden flower meditation is and why Jesed thinks it would be useful for somebody who keeps drawing 1 or 2 as a relating hexagram. I mean, I don't understand why Jesed said that, but I'd be really interested to know.

 

[getojack]

From what I know of golden flower meditation, it has to do with bringing the forces of yin and yang together into the undivided Tao. So I think Jesed means it would be helpful for someone who keeps drawing hexagrams 1 and 2 (pure yang and pure yin) to learn about such a thing. Hope this helps.

 

[aron_woolf]

Yes, u are right. I am novice on this forum, and i dont know who is Jesed. Is he very experienced? I like to know why he thinks it would be useful to work golden flower meditation. What`s the trick, what i am doing when i ask I Ching, so the result is that i always get 1 or 2 for second hexagram? I am learning ki aikido 12 years. Is ki breathing or ki meditation enough to solve thath "trouble"?

 

[aron_woolf]

My english is not so good. I don`t draw 1 or 2 for any answer. I get answers for exmple: 52 > 1, 38 >1,
15 > 1, 2 > 1, 19 >1, five times in a raw!

 

[getojack]

I'm not sure there's a "trick" to meditation. As the saying goes, "Don't just do something, sit there." If you've been doing aikido for 12 years, then you probably know it's not about learning "tricks," but looking inward and finding inner harmony.

 

[aron_woolf]

Sorry. Like i said, my english is bad. I meant trick in doing I Ching questions. What i doing wrong or ...

 

[getojack]

OK, if you keep getting 1 as the approached hexagram, then I think it means you should start getting creative... initiate something creative and new.

 

[aron_woolf]

Because i always get 1, that maybe means i am too passive, or i have enough power to realize my plans, or i am in a wrong state of mind when asking questions. But, how to know what is?

 

[getojack]

You'll know when the time is right. When the student is ready, the master appears.

 

[hilary]

How to know what it means? Read it as an answer to your question, in the context of the time you're asking. A recurring Hexagram 1 might mean you needed more of it, or it might mean you were being driven already by a superabundance of creative energy. I expect that with hindsight you know what was going on 2 or 3 years ago, and how the energies of inspiration and letting-it-happen were at work.

 

[jesed]

Hi Aron

"I use I Ching about 16 years".
You are not a novice anymore

"2-3 years ago, when i ask a question second hexagram is almost always hexagram 1 or 2"
This is a severe call for Wisdom, 1-2 are the Highest Path of an individual Nature. Is time to take the further step in the relationship with the Sages

"it would be wise for you to start knowing the "golden flower" meditation"
Golden flower meditation allow us to move inside our bodies the 8 sacred signs. You don't need to "cast" an hexagram anymore

Practical advice: a) find a copy of "the secret of the golden flower" commented by Wilhlem. b) practice, practice, practice, with spiritual discernment, c) find a personal master. If you can't find a personal master, then... practice, practice, practice

Best wishes

 

[jesed]

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[aron_woolf]

Thanks all for comments!
I still cant belive and understand why 1 is almost always second hexagram.
Also, i have "Secret of the golden flower" on my rack and i`ll read it again.

 

[jesed]

Hi Aron

"I still cant belive and understand why 1 is almost always second hexagram. "
Is not that you are doing something wrong; it isn't a trick

In traditional teachings, tendential hexagram is not quite the "future" but the "goal" (to achieve, or to avoid) that depends on our choices; that's why when there is no changing lines there is no tendential hexagram .

Getting 1 and 2 as tendential all the time, shows that your goal should be to achive the status of Sage.
You already had achieve a stage of development that face you to that goal; now is time to look forward to achieve it.

That's why I wrote: "This is a severe call for Wisdom, 1-2 are the Highest Path of an individual Nature. Is time to take the further step in the relationship with the Sages "

Best wishes

 

[aron_woolf]

Thanks Jesed.
I can`t find zen teacher here. There is no zen teachers around me. I can go to tantra teacher, but I Ching told me not to do that. I only can do yoga, ki aikido, eat vegetarian diet, and smoke too much, like i do many years. If u think i achieved high stage of development, thank u.

 

[jesed]

Can I ask you wich one is your native lenguage?

Best wishes

 

[aron_woolf]

Of course Jesed My native language is Serbian. I am serbian, still alive!

 

[jesed]

I see.. dificult to find a particular teacher on this.

Then, the alternative is practice (as long as you can understand the basis of Wilhelm's comments on the secret of the golden flower) and have faith in the guideness of the Sages.

Best wishes

 

[aron_woolf]

I asked Yi Ching 5 minutes ago why i always get hexagram 1 as second hexagram. And guess what?
Answer was hexagram 1 without changing lines. And i started to feel fever. Really

 

[aron_woolf]

Yi Ching is joking with me!!!

 

[soshin]

And most certainly it likes you!

 

[jesed]

is not joking with you... is calling you

best wishes

 

[aron_woolf]

Thanks Soshin.

Thank you Jesed!
Can u explain me what u think. I started to read again Secret of the Golden Flower(yes i understood that). I read it 16 years ago. I learn ki aikido for 12 years. I do yoga, dont eat meat. I dont know what to do to go in the near "relationship with the sages". When u say sages, u mean sage of the Yi or u mean i have to find teacher. Or u mean i have to apply all my understanding in practice, in real life. "is not joking with you... is calling you" Wher to go? What to do? I dont think i am very wise and succesful.
Sorry if i ask too much. I used to get "exact" answers from Yi Ching, and now i am little confused

 

[jesed]

In traditional teachings, there are 24 Sages ascended to "Near Heaven" to help the divinity in guiding humanity's development. Yi Jing is not a person, but a tool... the answers are given by this Sages using this tool.

But for a close relationship with the Sages, consulting Yi Jing is not enough. It implies 3 actions: prayer, contemplation and meditation.

Now, not every exercise for relax or for concentration is "meditation".

Meditation uses stillness of the body, but not every exercise of stillness is meditation. Meditation uses breath control, but not every exercise of breath control is meditation. Meditation uses stillness of thoughts, but not every exercise of stillness of tought is meditation.

Here is where "Secret of the Golden Flower" came to scene. To learn meditation

Basically, meditation is a way to put order. Body (physicial body, mind and "energetical" body) under the control of Soul; Soul ascending and unifying with Spirit. Meditation is a way to give Spirit the rule of our entire "being".

Many exercise are good to put order in the Body (physicial, energetical and mind); and give you great benefits in that realm. But that is just the first step; then you need to put this ordered body under the government of the Soul; and elevate the Soul to unify with Spirit. Then, Sagehood can be achived.

Sorry, but I cann't explain more here. Meditation is not to be "talked" or "readed", but to be "practiced".

Best wishes

 

[willow]

What is your method of casting? Do you use coins, sticks, marbles, computer?

 

[aron_woolf]

I use sticks and coins.

Thanks Jesed again

 

[aron_woolf]

What can do in the meantime, when i need answer for important questions of my life? Hexagram 1 says, in short, that everything will be OK. So, it means, I can do everything, and i can succeed in everything, cause i always get that hexagram

But real life confute me.