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diamanda

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Hi everyone,

I've been away for some time, as something incredibly shocking happened to me. I was in terrible pain one night, called an ambulance, was taken to hospital. Within hours I was diagnosed with an extremely dangerous cancerous tumour. Had urgent 5-hour operation to remove tumour and quite a lot of internal stuff... After about 12 days I was severely infected and had to have another serious operation similar to the first.

I might need chemotherapy, it's not decided yet. Also, I'll need yet another operation after some months (still unknown how many) to reverse something they've temporarily put in place.

I spent a month and a bit in hospital, now back at home but extremely weakened, physically and psychologically. It seems I'll be semi-disabled (also not being able to work...) for quite some time. I am struggling to be online and type this, but I just asked three questions and I'd need help with them. They don't sound good to me... if any of you can see something more there please let me know. (@ Sixth Relative: asked around 17:50).

What will help me to cope with this massive life-shock?
11.6 > 26

"Use no army". Army in my readings often refers to doctors. Not sure what it means here.
"Commands issued from the city" - referring to me being homebound?
"An omen of misfortune". I don't like this for obvious reasons.

How will my state progress, well, or will there be further complications?
5.2.4 > 49

Waiting in sand is probably where I am now. I seem to be better, although very uncomfortable.
"Waiting in blood, get out of the cave", well, no comments here...

Is there anything I can do to avoid the 'blood'?
38 un

In my yes-no questions 38 has always and steadily meant no :-(
(EDIT: I just realised that this is not exactly a yes-no question - apologies, I'm just too down I guess)
 

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Hi Diamanda,

sorry to hear of this misfortune that is currently besieging you :( Regardless of any reading, I wish you a good and thorough recovery from this illness. I know that it might not right now be a consolation, but there might something good come out of this - even if it is invisible now!

I'll try and answer your questions as good as I can:

"What will help me to cope with this massive life-shock?
11.6 > 26"

Both 11 and 26 are strong and vital hexagrams. I can see where you would be less than enthusiastic about line 6, but the overall tone of these two Hexes is quite different.
Hex 11 says "PEACE. The small departs,
The great approaches.
Good fortune. Success."

That I think refers to greatness and strength in YOU. This is further underlined by Hex 26
"Perseverance furthers.
Not eating at home brings good fortune.
It furthers one to cross the great water."

Both of these hexes seem to say that there is strength in you, and that with this strength you will be able to beat this illness. Wilhelms interpreatation of hex 26 says "The trigram Ch'ein points to strong creative power; Kên indicates firmness and truth. Both point to light and clarity and to the daily renewal of
character."
This aspect of renewal might be crucial to your question - something about rebirth of spirit ? About old things to go away and new ones to find room (hex 26 says also that the crossing of great rivers is of advantage).
Line 6 "Use no army" might also point to an advice of not going into direct fight with the illness, instead lovingly accepting yourself and your current weakned state - you are not your illness but a whole person.

How will my state progress, well, or will there be further complications?
5.2.4 > 49

Again I can see where some of the wording here would leave you discouraged. But again, both of these hexes are at their core very positive and with a clear message.
Hex 5 - there is only limited action you can take now. Try and rest and refresh yourself for the changes (positive one, I think) that will come.
The text here says:
"WAITING. If you are sincere,
You have light and success.
Perseverance brings good fortune.
It furthers one to cross the great water."

Crossing the great water in connection with waiting I see as meaning, be prepared for BIG changes (as again underlined by Hex 49, which is about a very big change). So use this time of enforced waiting for preparation.
The two lines in Hex 5 may mean that there will be setbacks on the way to the big change - Wilhelms interpretation of line 4 says "Now we must simply stand fast and let fate take its course. This composure, which keeps us from aggravating the trouble by anything we might do, is the only way of getting out of the
dangerous pit."
In your current situation, I see Hex 5 very much as your present, with the lines 2 and 4 as stages to go through - and Hex 49 as the future, a large and positive change, which I can imagine as being physical and spiritual.

Is there anything I can do to avoid the 'blood'?
38 un

Here I agree with your take - it is unlikely that you will be able to fully avoid the setbacks and hurdles on the way to the positive outcome - your current ability to make changes is limited (as evidenced by Hex 5) and while it will be positive to make small changes, the larger process will have to play out as it does...

Take heart - I see the overall message of your questions as a quite positive and encouraging answer, that gives hope without raising false and unrealistic promises.

All the best wishes to you!

maui
 

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Hi diamanda

I'm so sorry you are facing this. All my solidarity to you.

How will my state progress, well, or will there be further complications?
5.2.4 > 49

From a text-based, following Liu Ming, this is gonna be a tough one. There is a chance to relapse (prognosis for hex 5), and recovering "will be dramatic and transformative" (prognosis for hex 49).

From a Wen Wang Gua perspective, in 5zhi49 we can find both positive and negative signs:
a) When the question is about helath issues, there are 3 key factors: the host line, representing you (in 5zhi49, this line is Shen-metal); the Official/Ghost, representing the illness and the fear it causes (in 5zhi49, the Official is Yin-wood); and the Parent, representing the doctor and the treatment (in 5zhi49, the Parent is Si-Fire)
b) In 5zhi49 both the host line and the Official are active lines, meaning an agressive illness and and active fight for recovering. Since metal controls wood, this is a good sign of you defeating the illness
c) in 5zhi49 the Parent is voided: meaning the treatment is temporarily uneffective. In 5zhi49, asked on May 23, 2016, Si would came out of hide eventually. So, any treatment would take a lot of time to work. It also can be the case that you eventually would need to change of doctor/treatmente before it works. Since fire controls metal, the treatment would probe to be highly debilitating (I guess it referes to the chemoteraphy option). [Note aside: Liu Ming, using a text-based perspective, also says as prognosis for hex 5: "te patient is reluctant to use radical intervention"].
d) When the Official line changes, it becomes Chou-earth, with Sibblings relative attached (helpers): earth produces metal... this is a good sign for you. You'll get a lot of support in your recoverning
e) When the host line changes, it becomes Hai-water, with Assets relative attached (you'll need to spend a lot of money for your treatment). Water produces wood and controls fire. This is not a good sign for you: seems like money would probe affect the treatment.

All in all, from a WWG perspective, this is going to be tough. You have a high chance to overcome this, but the treatment will be long (at some time it will be seen as uneffective), debilitating and expensive. Don't hesitate to ask for help and support; and don't hesitate to ask for second opinion and even change the treatment/doctor.

I'd like to give a brighter interpretation. I hope this one doesn't make you lose spirit; please concentrate on the chance to overcome this tough time. Yes, it's gonna be difficult (I would be a lier if I don't say this), but there is hope for you and your well-being.

Wish you all the best.
 

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What will help me to cope with this massive life-shock? 11.6 > 26
To know that the worst part is over [the city has fallen], things can only go up from here.

How will my state progress, well, or will there be further complications? 5.2.4 > 49
Some problems[.4, 63.4] will arise along the way to recovery[49] but all in all you'll get better [.2].
Wilhelm: Thus the superior man eats and drinks, Is joyous and of good cheer.

Chin up, you can beat it!
While working with a medical database as a software engineer, I've read some patient's cases from '86 (accidental irradiation), and found some doctor's notes saying that patient's mood really helps with recovery.

Is there anything I can do to avoid the 'blood'? 38
38 says only in small things, like making yourself more comfortable. Comfy bed, positive thoughts, a good company to occupy the mind with positive energy, maybe some painkillers.

I wish you a full recovery, courage and hope to overcome this obstacle course and get stronger :)
 

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Diamanda,

So sorry to hear of your trials. What a horrible thing to have to experience. Geeze.

Firstly, the usual disclaimer that you know so well: with serious illness it can be a bit of crap shoot when it comes to subjective opinions mixed in with I Ching readings on matters of health and illness to the point that it can fast become confusing. Sift all the readings as they come in and find the gold. Partnered with your own innate sensitivity you'll know what decisions to make as you go through this. I wish you much strength.

What will help me to cope with this massive life-shock?

11.6 > 26

H.11 is a powerful hexagram despite its image of "Peace." So, what will help you cope with this shock is to accept that H.11 is very much about the cycles of harmony (creativity/entropy) which ebb and flow. Ascent and descent affects us all.

Line 6: This is fairly clear image of where you are at. The immune systems has been compromised and there is trouble. Pretty clear. Letting things find their place and taking their course obviously doesn't mean giving up. This is - as you stated in the question - about how you cope which might also include psychological strength, as vital as medical care itself. Therefore, one of the most important things to overcome when defences have been breached is fear. In my own experience there is an acceptance of where you are at but that does not mean a fateful acceptance of a negative outcome often subconsciously held. Although you are seemingly under the rubble of those defensive walls which have collapsed, the future is entirely open. It doesn't have to be misfortune at all. You can come through this.

Hexagram 26 is "Great Accumulation;" the hex where energy is accumulated so that all manner of potentially harmful elements can be jettisoned. It requires patience, will, courage and trust. The rebuilding of the system starts now. Gently does it.

How will my state progress, well, or will there be further complications?

5.2.4 > 49

Which follows pretty well onto what is initially required: H.5 "Waiting."

Line 2: I've often received this line when the I Ching tells me to stop fretting and chill - as hard as that maybe. Rest on the sand-bank and watch the boats go by and the assistance that you have. Recuperate and rest for now. Don't think about the future, just get through the day by not using too much mental energy which can use up a lot of reserves very quickly.

Line 4: Is basically reiterating line 2 and suggesting that although things are in a state of flux this is a step ahead in the sequence so its about how you can nourish yourself without aggravating the situation. Maybe this is from circular, negative thoughts about what may or may not be. Since you can't do much other than rest right now it means you must guard and defend your mind. Although this is not about painting a fake smile on your face and pretending all is well you can reduce and mitigate the influence of fear and darkness however powerful it may appear, and keep that light burning.

The background H.49 is simply showing that a transformation /revolution is underway.

Is there anything I can do to avoid the 'blood'?

38 un

Right now it sums up very well that you are indeed, generally experiencing the Dark Night of the Soul. There is disunion, disequilibrium - that is simply the reality in which you find yourself. The precise line of 5.4 suggests you can mitigate the fear and thoughts but overall it's certainly a 38 scenario, of that there is no doubt. However, 38 never implies this is a permanent condition. I've always understood it to keep your own inner light burning amidst sometimes severe challenges. I used to get this hexagram a lot when I felt so alone during times of depression. And while I did fight it, it usually meant that such period had to be gone through. But each time it it got less and less severe. Cultivating a positive state of mind is indeed part of the process of healing, as you know very well.

I hope that's helped a little Diamanda. You are in my thoughts. Look after yourself m'dear and rest that mind and body.

Bear hug.
 
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Sorry to hear this difficult news. I basically concur with what has already been said.
11.6 surrender when all has collapsed around you. You will accumulate great strength that way 26.
The waiting , in sand and blood, (5.2.4) gives rise to complete renovation (49), a good outcome.
Seek all the support you need.
 
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Nothing much to add to the readings but just to say do seek out support from all the various organisations. I know this one does http://www.pennybrohn.org.uk/ or at least did do free residential stays where you get all kinds of help and support and free complementary treatments to support your medical treatment if you would like it. Also there are often support groups for the various specific kinds of cancer and you can find details of those by calling the helpline on that link or online of course. I expect your specialist nurse has given you details of places where to find support. I know 'Maggies' is another centre, will see if I can link.

What will help me to cope with this massive life-shock?
11.6 > 26
"Use no army". Army in my readings often refers to doctors. Not sure what it means here.
"Commands issued from the city" - referring to me being homebound?
"An omen of misfortune". I don't like this for obvious reasons.

The 11.6 is also a line of exploration. There's nothing to fight, nothing to defend it's time to seek new ways of going about things. I'd see this as a pretty good answer to your question. It seems to say you don't have to keep on fighting as you have been. Maybe you were very stressed before this illness ? Now is time to let some aspects of your life go and find new ways to do things.


How will my state progress, well, or will there be further complications?
5.2.4 > 49
Waiting in sand is probably where I am now. I seem to be better, although very uncomfortable.
"Waiting in blood, get out of the cave", well, no comments here...

Another good answer IMO. Line 4 above all asks you not to wait in a pit which is a place of darkness and worry. Reach out, pick up the phone, talk to people who know exactly what you are going through. Don't let yourself become isolated or trapped. I don't like to give health prognosis yet I have to say I think this is looking pretty good. I think it's a case of 'wait and see' (5) and a great deal of uncertainty in line 2, yet this looks like something that will pass as it says 'small words'....ie anxieties

Is there anything I can do to avoid the 'blood'?
38 un
In my yes-no questions 38 has always and steadily meant no :-(
(EDIT: I just realised that this is not exactly a yes-no question - apologies, I'm just too down I guess)

38 was the yin change pattern of your 5 reading. Yes to avoid the 'blood' ie pain and anxiety you need to reach out beyond your usual sources of support. I feel the direction of all the readings is sending you out to get support which I think you surely need.


So sorry this has happened, must be awful, but I think these readings are fairly positive and that 5.4 is very clear. Don't wait alone in the cave....

Ah here is link to Maggie's in London. https://www.maggiescentres.org/our-centres/maggies-west-london/ You probably know about it already but I thought I'd link just in case. I think they can offer all kinds of supportive help.
 

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Hi diamanda ~ so sorry about your situation, but so glad that you brought it here ~ my heart goes out to you! Despite the trauma, you sound balanced and clear ~ Brava!

While your tosses all indicate good fortune and positive outcomes overall, you'll have to do some tough sledding along the way to get there...

What will help me to cope with this massive life-shock? 11.6 > 26

Along with the trauma to your body and mind, your Peace is being challenged spiritually, too. The call is to practice good self care for the big animal in your life ~ you. This is a case of good fortune coming through misfortune ~ from a big scare there emerges a stronger Peace.

How will my state progress, well, or will there be further complications? 5.2.4 > 49

If you Wait for your personal will to soften, and your physical vitality to strengthen, then the situation will turnover in your favor. Intentionality actually drains vitality ~ for now, just rest ~ and Trust the Way.

Is there anything I can do to avoid the 'blood'? 38 un

No, but it's likely to be minimal.

I'm sure you already know this, but remember ~ you are not your constantly transforming body or mind, you are the constantly still Awareness of your constantly transforming body and mind.

I highly recommend The Untethered Soul as a good read during your convalescence.

Stay positive ~ lean on your Friends, this Community and the Yi ~ and Many Blessings!
 
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Dear diamanda,

I would just like to highlight this message from Wilhelm/Baynes contained in Hex 11: "the small departs, the great approaches". I think that the small is our day to day concerns, little things that are not that relevant/significant, but we seem to care so much about them. The great is a broader view on life, to focus on what really matters.

So I believe that you will emerge from this hard and painful situation with a wider perspective of you own life, with new priorities, with more awareness of the great picture that life is.

Meanwhile, as others said, you remain positive (hex 5.4), save your energy by not fighting what you cannot change (hex 11.6), and deal with the temporary time of disharmony (38) by taking really good care of yourself, enlisting all the support that you can possibly have, keeping your determination.

Bless you :bows:
 
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diamanda

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Thank you all so very much for your brilliant insights and support!!

I'm taking everything you've all said into account - I've already read through the posts a couple of times, and I'll definitely be re-reading them all for some time to come (I'm certain I'll need such reminders during more difficult days).

Apologies for such a short (and late) reply. I would have liked to comment on everything in detail, but I'm not able for long analyses just yet. I'll definitely update whenever I know more.

Again: THANK YOU! :)
 

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Best of luck to you and I hope you will keep us posted on how you are doing and your insights on this journey.
 
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Dear Diamanda,

I feel very sympathetic towards you.

I'll just add that to me 11.6 means attainment of new prospects through patience and conscious non-fighting with the flow.
 

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Diamanda,

I empathize fully. We are not physically present to support you, but there are phenomenal positive energies here sent over to you that hopefully will give you the strength and faith to get through this. You will get through this.

Hug,
Flashlight
 
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diamanda

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Update

Dear all,

First some more detailed answers to your posts.

Maui – I had completely overlooked hexagram 26, so it was great that you highlighted it for me. Especially going out and moving is strongly advised by the doctors so as to build up.

Sixth Relative – spot on about a possible highly debilitating treatment with a different doctor (optional chemotherapy), and also about the patient “being reluctant” to do that (I’m not going to). And yes I’ve spent a lot of money already, not on treatment but on peripheral everyday items that are now necessary to cope, and also loss of many working hours.

Ashteroid – I wholeheartedly hope you will prove right that the worst part is over. Being comfortable in small ways is excellent advice.

Topal – you found the perfect words to describe how to effectively fight negative thoughts away. Defending the mind has proved a tricky point so far, but I’m doing my best under the circumstances. How apt that you also received 38 during solitary depression times. I’m glad you managed to pull through it all.

Loverofknowledge – the “complete renovation” of hexagram 49 is something that sounds good to me!

Trojina – you’re spot on that I was quite stressed before all this, I had too much on my plate. Now I’m forced into a more quiet life. Reaching out to all help available has truly helped me a lot so far – for sure 5.4 refers (partly? no other 'blood' so far, fingers crossed) to a dark pit of worry.

Radiofreewill – no matter how many times I’ve read the words “just rest” they’re still not enough, so thanks for reminding me once again. Reading a book (any book) had not crossed my mind amidst the worry. For now I’m reading a Terry Pratchett one, I find it lifts my spirits.

Mirian – a greater view of life is certainly a very strong aspect of this situation. I have found that I have a lot of great good luck in other respects, despite the obvious bad luck of the illness.

Juliah – the non-fighting detail is something a few answers mentioned. It’s a very good point and I’m trying to keep it in mind (along with the “just rest” motto).

Rosada and Flashlight – thank you, I greatly appreciate your good wishes!


And a quick update. I’ve been following doctors’ advice, and also doing my best with positivity/resting as all of you have suggested. I’m slowly getting better little by little. In the meantime I received and discussed with doctors some more detailed results, and they’re promising in many ways. My stage was not very initial, but not very advanced either, so I can take or leave chemotherapy (I’ve decided to leave it). It seems I’ve got good chances of full recovery. Of course I’ll be monitored for a considerable amount of time to come, but all in all I’d say it’s not looking as dreadful as I initially feared.
 
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Update / outcome

Update / outcome

Hi everyone, I thought I'd update this as to how things turned out six months later.

What will help me to cope with this massive life-shock?
11.6 > 26

The two most accurate elements of the line that came true were "use no army" and "Commands issued from the city". I couldn't and didn't overstretch myself in the first couple of months, I had to take it ridiculously slow. During that time I placed more internet orders (commands from inside the 'city') than ever before, was even ordering groceries like that! 26 as many of you have noted turned out to mean that indeed, I was eventually able to fully go out again at some point (yay) and eat out etc.

How will my state progress, well, or will there be further complications?
5.2.4 > 49

Line 52.2 indeed meant that I was uncomfortably waiting to get better.
Line 5.4, which I was absolutely dreading, is much trickier to explain. Fortunately there was no actual blood, there were no accidents, there were no further complications healthwise. Even psychologically, I was not in a 5.4 state. The better I got physically, the better I got psychologically, so there was no bloody despair feeling.
Back then I had a third idea of what this could possibly mean, but of course I couldn't bet on it - I just waited and hoped that there would be no physical or emotional 'blood'.
So, in the end, I conclude this: what was "waiting in blood" (and finally had to abandon that position) was the temporary construction (for need of a better word) that the surgeons had put in place. This was a live-tissue construction, hence it was "waiting in blood", waiting to be reversed surgically at some point. I'm happy to report that this is now successfully done!
And yes, after this last procedure, everything has indeed changed completely.

Is there anything I can do to avoid the 'blood'?
38 un

Given what I wrote above, no, there wasn't much to be done, other than small everyday things to keep myself comfortable. 38 means going separate ways, and indeed I and that 'construction' have now gone our separate ways.
 

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Hi Diamanda,

I don't know you but I feel like I do after reading so many of your insightful words. Just wanted to say that I'm very happy to hear news of your recovery and wish you continued good health.
 

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Dear Diamanda:

I'm very happy that you are well.
Just before reading your post I've opened a thread in Open Space. There is a gift for you.
If you had not it already, may you enjoy it in greek as I have enjoyed it in english.

All the best,

Charly
 

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Hi Diamanda,

good to hear that you are doing better, and also thanks for the update. This was really valuable to me, seeing how an interpretation may apply or or apply in a less linear way, requiring out-of-the-box thinking...I like how the line about "waiting in blood" did not refer to any bloodshed at all, but required a more free way of relating.

best wishes

maui
 

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Dear Diamanda,

I just want to say that I am sending you all my best wishes, prayers, and meditations for continued healing, and to say thank you for valuable contributions here, which have helped me so much over the years. I hope you continue to heal and feel better!
 

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