Shall I start working for this company? Hex 23.6>2

[MrKind]

I am having final interview stage tomorrow for a renowned corporation. Position will unfortunately include talking over the phone to some corporate customers - exactly what has brought my health demise in the past in similar position. I feel stressed, and concerned if a bit more money is worth it. My current job is stagnant, but worry free. Money isn't everything. I am still looking for a flat, so the constant stress is already having a very bad effect on me. I asked I ching whether I should start working there and whether it will be good for me? Received

Hex 23.6>2

The sixth line, dynamic, shows its subject as a great fruit which has not been eaten. The superior man finds the people again as a chariot carrying him. The inferior men by their course overthrow their own dwellings. - so this probably says that if I do everything right, I have a chance to succeed however Hex 2: Legge: The sixth line, magnetic, shows dragons fighting in the wild. Their blood is purple and yellow. - doesnt sound too good.What do you guys think? I don't think this is a result I would want to get when asking about changing my job.

 

[MrKind]

I would much more ''prefer'' to receive something like Hex 46 Promotion, Advancement , not 23 and 2. :/

 

[MrKind]

https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2016/11/17/hexagram-23-in-readings/

The essential message of Stripping Away is devastatingly simple:‘Stripping away.Fruitless to have a direction to go.’Your ‘direction to go’ can be whatever plan you have in mind, your purpose or vision or intent, or something as slight as a curiosity to explore in a certain direction. The root of the idea is to travel from the centre to the borders, to explore and sound out the unknown. Stephen Field associates Hexagram 23 with King Hai at Yi – exploring and testing his boundaries in a new culture, something that didn’t work out so well for him.Hexagram 23 responds to whatever part of you is saying ‘Onward and outward!’ with ‘Nope. No use.’So in practice, in readings, this is pretty simple: you see Hexagram 23, and give up whatever you had in mind.Naturally, simple is not the same as easy. We like our ideas; we do not want to let them go. And a particular frustration of Hexagram 23, at least for me, is that I tend to receive it just when I’m convinced I’ve had a grand and entirely new idea – only to realise, in the course of the reading, that I was only perpetuating the old.When Hexagram 23 is the primary hexagram, especially, it tends to point to some purpose or self-concept or pet idea that needs to be shed completely. The shape of the hexagram shows how what the idea rests on is not solid and offers no support. There’s no point trying to travel to the borders when the centre is crumbling; you can’t build towers on air.But the advice isn’t just to recognise your idea is doomed and drop it; it’s to strip it away actively and create mental space. It’s particularly important not to respond to 23 with, ‘Oh, this idea must need some tweaking to make it work…’ The shadow hexagram for 23 – Hexagram ‘Minus 23’ in the Sequence – is 42, Increase, with its Image of a noble one who ‘sees improvement, and so changes; where there is excess, she corrects it.’ Increase’s way of thinking is ‘this can be changed, this can be improved’ – and in a time of Stripping Away, that would be a trap.As long as old ways of thinking linger, we tend to repeat ourselves. Hexagram 23 is a call to create such emptiness that the next move can only be completely new. Perfect tabula rasa; no precedent. In this space you might find a true seed of change.The Image helps us find this mindset –‘Mountain rests on the earth. Stripping Away.The heights are generous, and there are tranquil homes below.’– because it depersonalises. The mountain rests on the earth, the soil erodes into the valley, the heights are generous, and the process of change is ongoing. There’s no person here called on to give things up, willingly or not; there’s just change happening. It isn’t about you.

so this great post from Hilary's blog says it very openly - I should drop the idea of starting working there, am I correct?

 

[MrKind]

https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2016/11/17/hexagram-23-in-readings/

The essential message of Stripping Away is devastatingly simple: ‘Stripping away. Fruitless to have a direction to go. ’Your ‘direction to go’ can be whatever plan you have in mind, your purpose or vision or intent, or something as slight as a curiosity to explore in a certain direction. The root of the idea is to travel from the centre to the borders, to explore and sound out the unknown. Stephen Field associates Hexagram 23 with King Hai at Yi – exploring and testing his boundaries in a new culture, something that didn’t work out so well for him.Hexagram 23 responds to whatever part of you is saying ‘Onward and outward!’ with ‘Nope. No use.’So in practice, in readings, this is pretty simple: you see Hexagram 23, and give up whatever you had in mind.Naturally, simple is not the same as easy. We like our ideas; we do not want to let them go. And a particular frustration of Hexagram 23, at least for me, is that I tend to receive it just when I’m convinced I’ve had a grand and entirely new idea – only to realise, in the course of the reading, that I was only perpetuating the old.When Hexagram 23 is the primary hexagram, especially, it tends to point to some purpose or self-concept or pet idea that needs to be shed completely. The shape of the hexagram shows how what the idea rests on is not solid and offers no support. There’s no point trying to travel to the borders when the centre is crumbling; you can’t build towers on air.But the advice isn’t just to recognise your idea is doomed and drop it; it’s to strip it away actively and create mental space. It’s particularly important not to respond to 23 with, ‘Oh, this idea must need some tweaking to make it work…’ The shadow hexagram for 23 – Hexagram ‘Minus 23’ in the Sequence – is 42, Increase, with its Image of a noble one who ‘sees improvement, and so changes; where there is excess, she corrects it.’ Increase’s way of thinking is ‘this can be changed, this can be improved’ – and in a time of Stripping Away, that would be a trap.As long as old ways of thinking linger, we tend to repeat ourselves. Hexagram 23 is a call to create such emptiness that the next move can only be completely new. Perfect tabula rasa; no precedent. In this space you might find a true seed of change.The Image helps us find this mindset –‘Mountain rests on the earth. Stripping Away.The heights are generous, and there are tranquil homes below.’– because it depersonalises. The mountain rests on the earth, the soil erodes into the valley, the heights are generous, and the process of change is ongoing. There’s no person here called on to give things up, willingly or not; there’s just change happening. It isn’t about you.

so this great post from Hilary's blog says it very openly - I should drop the idea of starting working there, am I correct?

 

[MrKind]

I also asked whether I should stay in my current company and received

Hex 40.2.3.6>56

So two of the changing lines are positive: 2nd

Legge: The second line, dynamic, shows its subject catch, in hunting, three foxes, and obtain the yellow (golden) arrows. With firm correctness there will be good fortune.

and 6th

Legge: In the sixth line, magnetic, we see a feudal prince with his bow shooting at a falcon on the top of a high wall, and hitting it. The effect of this action will be in every way advantageous. Wilhelm/Baynes: The prince shoots at a hawk on a high wall. He kills it. Everything serves to further. Blofeld: The prince shot an arrow and killed a hawk perching on a high wall. Everything is favorable!

only line 3 seems to not be too happy about my ''stagnation'' [but stagnation sometimes is also a stability!] Line 3

Legge: The third line, magnetic, shows a porter with his burden, yet riding in a carriage. He will only tempt robbers to attack him. However firm and correct he may try to be, there will be cause for regret.

. However, even without going deep with the interpretation, just by simple logic: hunting and killing 3 foxes, obtaining golden arrow, killing a hawk.. sounds MUCH MUCH better than Hex 23 disintegration and Hex 2 fighting bleeding dragons. What should I do?

 

[equinox]

Well, Mr. Kind I think you should try. Alone because every interview is a good exercise for the next one. I learned something important from all the interviews I did. And you've said before that you're dissatisfied with your work, so sooner or later you're going to have to change jobs anyways. So I believe it will be a good practice at least.
Also, you don't have to interpret the 6th line of hexagram 2, because it is the relating Hexagram. You just have to read the 6th line of Hexagram 23.
23.6 is not inauspicious by the way, since painful hexagram 23 terminates here.
I would say it is important that you do the interview, no matter what the outcome will be and no matter if you get the job/decide to take the job eventually or not.

 

[MrKind]

Yes I know that I will go there as I said it's a final stage and I like going for interviews, but I already realised that this position isn't a perfect one (I didn't knew about the necessity of calling the customers, which is very stressful unlike something like answering emails only, and this was exactly what caused my health issues in the past). As my question to the Oracle was whether I should start working there and whether it will be good for me, I won't be asking I ching again the same question of course.. So I still don't know how to interpret it.

 

[MrKind]

What do you think about the result of me staying in my current place.? (one post above) I know that I complained about it in the past and to move on would be nice but not with the cost of my health I fought so much to recover.

 

[MrKind]

BTW I've found a very similar question and casting (also about the job change) https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?12973-Hexagram-23-6-Auspicious-or-Not but unfortunately the OP didn't answered how it turned out for her

 

[MrKind]

BTW I've found a very similar question and casting (also about the job change) https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?12973-Hexagram-23-6-Auspicious-or-Not but unfortunately the OP didn't answered how it turned out for her

Anyone can interpret my other question (about staying in my current place?)

 

[equinox]

I think you should take a perspective on not staying in your current work forever. Both results indicate this in my opinion.
23.6 points to a painful situation that terminates.
Hex 40.2.3.6>56 shows that this work is merely a transit point for you.
Shortly said.
I can't tell you if this job you're applying for is the right one -- especially since you're saying that the tasks there are bad for your health.
But the current work is definitely not a place where you should stay forever.
If you are not successful with your current application or if you don't want the job, you could sort out your living situation first and then look for a new job without ruffle or excitement.

 

[MrKind]

Update - interview went well one of my better ones, hexagram 23. 6 and the next one is 24,return. Maybe return of better times?

 

[equinox]

Update - interview went well one of my better ones, hexagram 23. 6 and the next one is 24,return. Maybe return of better times? ��

I think so!

 

[MrKind]

I didnt want to start yet another topic. I might have an option to rent a room in a place of other work colleague. [she is moving out] the place seems okay, people in it too, apart from some weird twists [like a boiler to set up water for two rooms [one I could be renting] is INSIDE of one of the women rooms in there, so to set it up I need to enter her room-no idea who build things like that...] As per size and distance to work, everything seems fine. Apart from the fact I will need to share a flat when being 35 instead of buying my own home... and that I probably WON'T have a locked doors to my own room... I asked Oracle if I should move in there whether it will be good for me?

Hex 63.1.3.6>20

so it tells a whole story:

Legge: The first line, dynamic, shows its subject as a driver who drags back his wheel, or as a fox which has wet his tail. There will be no error.Wilhelm/Baynes: He brakes his wheels. He gets his tail in the water. No blame.Blofeld: He brakes the wheel of his chariot and gets the rear part wet -- no error!

So I guess it means that a fox wet his tail - my own plans were too grandiose [by renting alone in Ireland nowadays - its absurd its not possible to do...] but not my fault. I should just rest now. ''Legge: Line one, the first of the hexagram, represents the time immediately after the successful completion of something -- a time for resting and being quiet'' However line 3 is not so optimistic and I will cite a commentary, too

Confucius/Legge: He was three years in subduing it -- enough to make him weary. Wilhelm/Baynes: This is exhausting. Blofeld: His taking three years to conquer it indicates great fatigue. [Even if we do feel capable of undertaking an extremely difficult task, we must expect it to occupy us for so long as to make us feel exhausted.]

is it possible that this won't be as rosy as I think it will be? Maybe I should reconsider this? [I still did not get any answer from the other guy from work re his own room I asked in the other topic] Or this might mean I shall just conquer my inner demons, thoughts and emotions of a lesser quality when living there with those people? but anyway line 6

Blofeld: His head gets wet -- trouble!

is even less optimistic to me.. what I am not seeing here?

 

[equinox]

Hello Mr. Kind you don't have to start a new thread if you don't want to, but why don't you put your follow-up-question in a thread it thematically belongs to?

For example here:
https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/fri...ng-the-flat-Sequel-Hex-1-2-4-gt-37&highlight=

It is easier then for people who want to answer you on your query to understand the whole development of your topic. Also later on it is more easy for people who search in the archives to gain useful insights for themselves.

 

[pooja123]

The job you applied for is not good for you. hence line 6 changes to hex 2 that has all broken lines. The current job pays you well 40.1) but you felt the workload is a lot and you want ease of burden by changing jobs, unfortunately you lose in the end (40.3), once you leave this other (the robbers) will take your good job.

line 6 of hex 40- asks you to stay as you will get promoted and you won't lose your job to somebody else."“The prince is engaged in shooting a falcon; he relieves the rebellious.” The “rebellious” element is the yin line at the third place. "

 

[pooja123]

"The topmost line of a gua is generally the place for a sage or a her- mit. In this gua, it is the place of a lord. This line, at the end of the gua, symbolizes a situation where all hardships are relieved. " Line 6 shows your workload will be relieved . So wait. Don't leave your current job.

 

[MrKind]

Hmm this is interesting. You see the main problem at my current job is that we dont have enough to do - our targets and queues are almost empty and this is a persistent state since last year. It feels like a stagnation. But yes, I feel stress less and worry free and I feel ok here now. But I am not growing.

 

[pooja123]

aah ok. So you want to jump into a wagon to get some growth? line 3. but line 3 says you will get robbed. I suggest you wait till the 23rd before you make any decisions. Anyway I use the wen wang gua method. Line 5 suggests that the growth you need starts next year in the month of August. Your company will start seeing some improvement by then. Try focusing on line 5 hex 40 that changes to 55 ultimate abundance. See if it resonates with you.

 

[pooja123]

I am suggesting only. Follow your heart. Do you want to get sick at the new job? or wait for a better opportunity.

 

[pooja123]

on the 23rd onwards you might receive some news pertaining to a job.

 

[MrKind]

on the 23rd onwards you might receive some news pertaining to a job.

Now I'm confused, but with my limited understanding of I ching I paradoxically felt that changing the job now to the one I asked was a result that was worse than hunting of foxes and shooting a hawk.. Yes my biggest worry is about stress and it will certainly be more stressful.. Albeit I would earn more. And it's more professional than my current place.

 

[MrKind]

However interpretation of others also convinced me that the 23.6 means that the 23 hex ( bad one) is ending thus it's worth the risk. I wonder what Rosada interprets here.? Is there a way to tag other users?

 

[pooja123]

I understand your confusion. because I use wen wang gua method to read the lines. You don' need to follow my advice. You need a job that pays good, some growth etc. We all want that. i want that too. At the moment i am researching my options. I too in the midst of changing jobs. My health was affected by night shifts. So no more night shifts for me. Job's without stress?? I think all jobs induces stress. If you think the new job will help you grow. Go for it. If they offer the job take it if it makes you happy. My predictions says this job has some downside too. I think all jobs have something bad or good that we end up find out later.

 

[pooja123]

and remember , predictions are not set in stone. I-ching predictions , to me is true for 30 days or so. Your luck changes according to your effort.

 

[MrKind]

I really appreciate your feedback.

 

[MrKind]

Another uow, the interview had two parts, one when two managers were assessing me and second with two employees on a coach /trainer level doing the same. I felt that one employee somehow didn't like me. My presence was stronger than him and he might have feel threatened. (in terms of who would dominate the team if I joined there). The other employee was a girl and we had a good connection (she also cycles to work etc). Feedback from managers was also stellar when I was there (their reactions, body language and energy of the hearts all matched). However I received a call from the recruiter yesterday telling me that well employees feedback was great but managers said it was not so good with some of my answers. And that they still want to see other candidates and will get back to me in few weeks time. I said to her that I had a great experience everyone was friendly and accommodating and it was one of the best interviews I had (all true). And if it's meant for me it will happen. Okay. I didn't told her that I rather felt what I wrote here to you just now. I believe it was safer for her to put it like that because obviously I won't blame the managers, but if I would still get that job and she would tell me that it was employees who didn't liked me it could create unnecessary tensions at the start (as we would all work together in one team). Personally I believe this method of assessment is stupid and u can't and shouldn't judge if someone will be good addition to the team in 30 minutes of asking job related questions. I sometimes give impression of being arrogant when people meet me first time but when they get to know me they learn I'm nothing like that. Oh well not sure if this relates to the hexagram results I know my experience is a match for this role so we'll see. Maybe it won't be a good place for me after all...

 

[MrKind]

So both job and flat search aren't producing any efforts, from October landlords start with visitations of people wanting to buy the flat I'm still in and it will mean that I won't be able to be at home at this point and remove all my belongings from tables, etc so they aren't visible. I'm perfectly stuck in this weird point in my life now.

 

[pooja123]

don't worry, try other places for work. and cast a hex for those new interviews. dont quit yet till you found what really supports your ambitions.

 

[MrKind]

On top of that I got soaked when cycling back home few days ago and now I'm sick �� so unable to do much for a week apart from going to and back work (we don't have sick pay and can't afford to not work now), as I said perfectly stuck ��