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laylab

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Hello Dear IC Colleauges! :)

As the World Turns Today (or is this just The Days of our Lives?) .. ah..the soap opera of our lives when we make low energy choices..... *sigh*

but I digress, allow me to get to the point.

Remember Mr. X?

Well I backed off from him over three weeks ago. To get my attention again he made contact, being quite chatty and sweet. When I didn't give him the validation he was looking for, he strarted trying to push my buttons. When that didn't work, he upped the ante...and told me...

that his wife is giving birth to twins in two months. He kept that from me the entire time because he knew I would have dropped him like a hot potato if I knew.

I showed no emotion only reason...which made him even more irrational and emotional (interesting).

Now, I am just sitting here...knowing that he will make contact again..most likely soon. And what should I say to someone who seems to have no conscience?

I asked the IC "how should I handle him now?" obviously I am not going to re-establish anything with him! But I am also not going to yell or scream or show any anger because that will just feed his hungry ego.

The IC answered me: 16 4.6 leading to Splitting Apart.

Is it telling me to being enthusiastic towards him or towards my life? I assume the latter..but what do the changing lines tell me?

any help?
 

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Hello Dear IC Colleauges! :)


Now, I am just sitting here...knowing that he will make contact again..most likely soon. And what should I say to someone who seems to have no conscience?

I asked the IC "how should I handle him now?" obviously I am not going to re-establish anything with him! But I am also not going to yell or scream or show any anger because that will just feed his hungry ego.

The IC answered me: 16 4.6 leading to Splitting Apart.

Is it telling me to being enthusiastic towards him or towards my life? I assume the latter..but what do the changing lines tell me?

any help?

16 is also about preparation and getting ready, your question is about how you should prepare to speak to him. Line 6 indicates the eagerness in this preparation is misplaced. You don't have to 'handle' him, you don't have to speak to him - cast him off (23).
 

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Thanks Trojan,

if you have a second, could you explain the specific lines in detail more? (if you have time!)

thanks :)
 

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All I can say is 16 comes up alot for me when I'm gearing myself up for action, making ready - and line 6 'deluded enthusiasm' usually indicates this eagerness of preparation or expectation is misguided. Line 4 looks positive yet how can it be applied to your situation ? It can't be advice not to doubt him can it - I mean anyone who didn't doubt him given his track record so far would be blind wouldn't they ? If I take 16 and 23 together like a sentence it might read 'enthusiastic preparation for casting off/getting rid of'. Seems to me the quicker you eliminate him from your life the better your life will be - don't doubt that (line 4) so your enthusiasm/preparation is not for how you should next speak to him but how you delete him from your life.

Of course I speak as an outsider with no feelings involved so its easy for me to say - but thats how I see your reading. However you choose to speak to him your aim is to cut off from him right ? Or maybe not, maybe you want to retain some kind of bond with him - thats a different matter. I don't know but however I look at your situation I can't see how this man is good for you in anyway at all - even as a friend - so why even worry about what to say to him - all you need to say is goodbye isn't it - hmm thats me not the I Ching there ;)

How do you see the reading ?
 
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Hi laylab,
due to lack of experience and because I have been there I can't help you. I wish I could but I can't .
While I was reading your thread I remember this post. Do you recognize it ?
After or while you attempt to retreat from this situation for good, he may try to entice you back in some way. You must resist. You must not allow yourself to follow HIM, follow your own path. A new path

Good luck with this laylab. I know how difficult it is.

maria
 

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..but what do the changing lines tell me?
Hi laylab

The changing lines tell you about a change from suddenly surprize to standing still, from Thunder to Mountain in the trigram above, while the trigram below is still receptive, Earth. Take a breath and give this a thought: Are you really sure, that this liar has a wife giving birth to twins in two months?

Jacques :)
 
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Laylab:

Hey, there. Splitting Apart does not always mean "splitting apart," and I think it is a bit hasty to come to the usually obvious conclusion, that your relationship with this guy is going to split apart any time soon.

I do not use the Wilhelm translation myself, so someone such as Trojan should have some good insights into the implications of the hexagrams. In fact, the text says that this hexagram means "preparation" too, just as Trojan explained based on his first-hand experience with this hexagram. In the Commentary on the Decision, it says, "The firm finds correspondance, and its will is done." This hexagram also speaks of installing helpers, and fines and punishments that are just.

Overall, Enthusiasm is quite positive in its meaning, so I think we have to apply a positive interpretation to what else it says here too. My view about obtaining helpers and the fines and pushishments is that you should use the I Ching as your helper. My experience with this oracle is that the I Ching not only gives flawless information, advice, and forecasts, it energies in our lives the subject matter asked about. So, my take on this is that you should use the I Ching quite frequently to help you with this relationship. The more you use the I Ching, in other words, the more favorable your relationship with this guy will become. This is how you should "prepare" yourself. This is how you will be able to change this relationship more to your liking.

This would also be the meaning of the fines and punishments referred to. This will be your power. In this way, in other words, you will be able to mold and manipulate things to your advantage.

Moving line 4 speaks of achieving great things. It also speaks of things being united, that there is unity or union, which means that there is a successful coming together of you and this fellow you are interested in.

We should keep these extremely positive revelations in mind when we interpret Splitting Apart.

Moving line 6 speaks of intial delusion, but that through proper adjustments in understanding or action, things have the potential for improving. Perhaps it means for you that through your frequent use of the I Ching in this matter, you will find your way.

Now we get to Splitting Apart, which in most cases seems to mean what it implies. Given the context of the first part of this reading, however, I think we need to look further. For this hexagram, The Image says, "The mountain rests upon the earth: The image of Splitting Apart. Thus those above can secure their position only by giving generously to those below." For you, this seems to mean that through your giving generously of yourself to this relatioship, you will secure your position. And, therefore, the ruin and decay also forecast by this hexagram will not occur to you, but will occur in a context that is favorable to you.

Jim
 

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Jim I'm not sure why you say I should have especial insight in to Wilhelm - I don't use any particular translation, I refer to all of them and my own experience.

Laylas issue here has history, she has already split up with this man who is living with another woman and their child so theres nothing hasty about my reply - maybe you should check out her previous threads.
 
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Hi again,
I’ve been thinking about you and your situation. Please do not misunderstand me for what I’ll say. In your post to my thread seems to speak to me and/or to you. It sounds like telling” if I were in your position I ‘ll do that. Resist”. It is an option. A very logical way of behaving, but I wonder if it is the only one that can protect you from the pain? Because regardless which action you take, each one is accompanied with pain. I think what you have to decided is which of the painful action are you going to choose. Resist and loose him , be with him and might be hurt again, something else?
They say “no pain, no gain!”

As I see 23 ( warning !!! I am very new to IC.) is about a process . Throw out the rotten things and see if something good is there ?
I don’t know what is the “correct path” for you. You are the one who knows it.
Hope you find it.

Maria
 

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Wow, these responses are much more than I ever hoped for, very insightful they are.
Give me a chance to digest and I will post more.

I have already gone through one paradigm shift...I will post more later.

thanks!
 
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Trojan:

Thanks for the update. I'll take your word for what you said about laylab's situation.

Jim
 
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Hi Layla,

Can't help but chuckle. Your title: "Liar, Liar, Pants on fire" describes your reading very well. This fella must still flick your bic or you would have dowsed his wick by now :mischief:. 23 says to snuff out the flame.

To elaborate a bit, it isn't determined in 16 whether enthusiasm is real or imagined, but clues are revealed in the change lines. Given line 6, it is imagined. Given line 4, either you or X is a real love magnet. Source of enthusiasm means source of excitement, the place where sexual vibes are coming from. In either case, Yi's 23 says to break it off.

For what it's worth, even possibly related, guys can get ridiculously horny when their wife or girlfriend is pregnant. More so the closer she gets to delivery. Contrarily, the woman is biologically focused on the baby (or babies), and often on the baby only. Hence you are on the receiving end of his blue balls. You lucky girl you :rofl:.
 

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