Should I continue to work with a particular doctor?

[Connemara]

22.6 to 36

I am just beginning my journey exploring the depth of the I Ching, so I humbly ask for assistance in understanding the message that was given in response to my question.

I am working with a doctor to try to deal with chronic health issues that I suspect will get much worse if I don't address them soon. This doctor is recommending things that will cost quite a bit in terms of money and energy, neither of which I have in abundance. I am willing to spend the required money and energy if this approach is correct for me.

Thank you for any help you are able to provide.

:bows:

 

[rosada]

Yes-or-no questions are difficult to interpret because every hexagram can be interpreted as meaning yes or no.

I see 22.6 - 36 as somehow referencing the fact your condition has been chronic and perhaps along with traditional approaches to healing you need some spiritual healing. I am not knowledgeable about using the I Ching for medical diagnosis so please know I'm just tossing ideas around. I'm seeing 22.6 as indicating your health issues are caused by your spirit somehow not being fully grounded in your physical body. Perhaps your living conditions are not allowing you to feel you can express yourself? Perhaps accupuncture would help?

Other questions that might give useful information:
What does my body need me to do so it will heal?
What would be the result of following my current doctor's recommendations?
What would be the benefit of following a different approach?

Right now, this month, the planet Neptune ruling prayer is very strong so you may be able to find some alternative healing methods that work for you or at least enhance the success of the more traditional approaches.

Best wishes,
Rosada

 

[moss elk]

Just a thought.

Do you see multiple doctors for the same thing?

If so, is one of them in a fancy building with lots of decorative glass, art, and sculptures? Is that the expensive one?

Is there another doctor you see who is in a more basic office?

If the above is true, the answer could be saying for you to see the one who is without adornment: in a plain and simple office.

 

[Connemara]

Thank you so much for your reply, Rosada, and thank you for the explanation in reference to yes or no questions. I greatly appreciate the recommendations in reference to other questions to ask, and I will do this.

This doctor follows the traditional medical model but is also open to going outside of it when she feels the issue warrants it. She is a holistic medical doctor.

In reference to your comment about Neptune, would you please share with me what makes it so strong right now? I am a student of astrology, so this interests me very much. In my natal chart, transiting Neptune is two degrees from being conjunct my natal South Node/Venus and opposite my natal North Node/Pluto. (This axis is the spine of a grand water trine kite.) My natal Neptune is part of this kite. (Mars is as well.)

Your comments about my spirit are very accurate. A friend just last week recommended accupuncture. Now that you also have mentioned it, I will definitely look into it.

Thank you again for your time and your insight. I am very grateful for both.

Kind regards,
slorrin

 

[Connemara]

Thank you for your response, Moss Elk.

Yes, I am seeing multiple medical practitioners for these issues, and that is one of the problems I'm facing; they both tell me to do different things, and I'm often confused as to which to follow. The one is a holistic medical doctor, and the other one is a chiropractor who also practices applied kinesiology. They are both very expensive.

I have gotten very good results from the chiropractor, but the issues I'm addressing with the MD are things that he is not able to address since they are outside the realm of what he addresses. (He is able to help to a certain degree, but I am now at the point where I need something more.) That being said, I am very grateful for everything he has already addressed health-wise for me, and I will continue to see him as well if I were to follow the protocol prescribed by the MD. (That's why money is an issue.) This practitioner is in a more basic office. The things that conflict with what the MD says aren't necessarily related to the issue I'm seeing the MD to address. They're just things that she doesn't necessarily want me to do as she reviews the supplements I'm taking or a cleanse that I might be considering.

I will deeply contemplate your words as I reread my answer to my question, Moss Elk.

Thank you again for sharing your insights and wisdom with me.

Kind regards,
slorrin

 

[Tim K]

I agree with Moss Elk,
22.6 → 36 (Darkening), Daniels:
Utter simplicity leads to no error.

Go with something simple, no need of expensive procedures/treatment.
22 advises to undertake small steps, clear up small affairs.

 

[rosada]

Neptune is in it's home sign Pisces these days which in itself gives it strength and then this month the Sun, Mercury and also Venus (after March 12) will be in Pisces too.

 

[diamanda]

I wouldn't go to this doctor anymore if this was my answer.
"White grace" (probably meaning doctor in white) leads to harm/darkness (36).

 

[Trojina]

So in your opinion

'White beauty.
No mistake.' (Hilary from wikiwing)

always means it will lead to darkness ? How could it if there's no mistake ? I mean it would mean that 22.6 always boded misfortune and it doesn't.

Should I continue to work with a particular doctor?
22.6 to 36

I am just beginning my journey exploring the depth of the I Ching, so I humbly ask for assistance in understanding the message that was given in response to my question.

I think it could be interpreted the way Moss Elk and Ash said but I think as a direct answer to the question it could also mean to work with this Dr because his practice is pure, simple and straightforward.

You asked a yes/no question and they can be hard to interpret. Perhaps you could ask for overall guidance in your search for the right route/the right practitioners.

 

[diamanda]

will lead to darkness ? How could it if there's no mistake ?

No mistake, or more accurately 'no blame' - not done on purpose to harm.
For example, the doctor might be acting on their best knowledge and motives.
And yet it could still lead to something bad - quite common.

In my experience with only this line changing, yes, the result is hurt.
As a direct result of the blankness (or whiteness) of 22.6.
So if only this line changes, in my experience the answer bodes darkness.

And, not sure if you've heard of this (from Wikipedia):

White, corresponding with metal, represents gold and symbolizes brightness, purity, and fulfillment. White is also the color of mourning. It is associated with death and is used predominantly in funerals in Chinese culture.[3] Ancient Chinese people wore white clothes and hats only when they mourned for the dead.

 

[Connemara]

Neptune

Thank you, Rosada, for the explanation in reference to Neptune. Yes, it's a very spiritual time indeed.

(I don't know how to use the 'thank you' feature. If I did, I would do so on these posts.)

 

[Connemara]

Thank you, ashteroid. Both health practitioners are very expensive, but there are some bad habits that I should take steps to deal with that would help. (e.g., get more sleep, meditate more, etc.) I think these things would definitely fall under the category of small steps/clearing up small affairs.

 

[Connemara]

Thank you, diamanda. I will definitely contemplate your interpretation.

 

[Connemara]

Thank you, Trojina. Unfortunately, I made things more complicated than they should have been by asking the oracle the way I did.

"White beauty. No mistake." seems so lovely. I'm surprised that it's much more nuanced than I suspected. I have so much to learn and look forward to doing so.

 

[Trojina]

No mistake, or more accurately 'no blame' - not done on purpose to harm.
For example, the doctor might be acting on their best knowledge and motives.
And yet it could still lead to something bad - quite common.

In my experience with only this line changing, yes, the result is hurt.
As a direct result of the blankness (or whiteness) of 22.6.
So if only this line changes, in my experience the answer bodes darkness.

And, not sure if you've heard of this (from Wikipedia):

Yes I've heard of white for mourning but as hexagram 22 is not especially about mourning I think the colour white here, as in line 4 is more referring to great natural beauty with no need of artifice.

I don't agree with your take on this but thank you for explaining.

Thank you, Trojina. Unfortunately, I made things more complicated than they should have been by asking the oracle the way I did.

Not really, I mean that is the kind of question many, including me, would ask it's just in these particular circumstances there are numerous ways to take the answer and it is likely in the end only you will know how to take it

"White beauty. No mistake." seems so lovely. I'm surprised that it's much more nuanced than I suspected. I have so much to learn and look forward to doing so.

Oh it is lovely, no doubt about it and I 100% disagree with Diamanda on this. She is seeing 36, the relating hexagram, as the 'result' I think whereas others often see the relating hexagram as the backdrop and I find generally that view makes a lot more sense and allows the reading to open out rather than become a dead end with a final inescapable 'result'.

Another possible meaning that sort of ties in pretty much with what other's said earlier is that your whole recovery may be more simple than you think. You don't need this to be complicated.

I checked out Bradford Hatcher's commentary on the line. A part of it says "Anything more than a simple, natural form just feels pretentious and silly." and I have known this line refer to someone who is simply as they are, transparently beautiful. Have you ever found someone beautiful who does not have an especially beautiful face ? Sometimes the very old can be like this. They can suddenly appear beautiful yet we can't say why. To me that is like the beauty in line 6, it needs no adornment, it shines out all by itself.

If I link to a post of Brad's you can see a link to his work. I don't seem to be able to link directly.

Ah here it is if you follow the link you can read his 'rogue river commentaries' by going to 'volume one'

bradford
http://www.hermetica.info

 

[Trojina]

and you can also check out LiSe Heyboer's ideas on 22 here http://www.yijing.nl/i_ching/index.html

check out her 22.6

 

[Connemara]

Trojana, thank you so much for the links; there's so much wonderful information in both.

I am learning from the feedback that I've gotten for this one question to appreciate the process of working my way through to the answer rather than expecting the answer to be given to me. It is helping me to own whatever my final decision ends up being. I now understand that working with the I Ching helps one to live life as a mature adult. Wow.

Thank you again for your time and for the insights you've shared, Trojana. :bows:

 

[rosada]

Thinking about white=mourning and 22.6 White Beauty leading to 36. Hiding the light..

Maybe wearing white was associated with mourning not because white means death but because it means the essence of spirit. Now spirit without a physical form could describe a soul without a body, and therefore death, but that wouldn't necessarily mean white/spirit signifies only death.

I notice that the next line in the IC sequence, 23.1. means a complete lack of physical support. So that kinda confirms the idea that 22.6 means pure spirit.

Anyway, then looking at what 36, Darkening of The Light might signify. I look at the lower trigram as meaning light but also as describing an individual consciousness, like one person, and the upper trigram meaning dark as illustrating that the one person is surrounded by darkness, they are separate with no other supportive light nearby. So 36 not necessarily being a bad thing, rather just that it means the person is without connections.

(Interesting how 36. leads to 37 The Family. This suggests to me that when one disconnects from the outer world they can then begin to build their own inner world.)

So I'm seeing 22.6 - 36 as meaning the essence of spirit, the pure intention, continuing in an environment where there doesn't seem to be supportive connections.

What this means in terms of the question here is tricky to say because there are several considerations involved. Was the questioner asking about whether her health would be restored or whether incurring the expense is worth it? I think the this answer is a response to her sense she doesn't have the finances rather than a comment as to whether the treatments are helping or harming.

 

[moss elk]

22 to 36:
Hiding the Adornment.
There is no adornment in line 6.

I got this as an answer once regarding one of two part time jobs I was working. I wanted to know which field of work was closer to my nature, more fullfilling, better path for me.
At one job I 'dressed down' (a Security job.)
At the other I wore a spiffy antiquish suit.

I was advised to pursue the security field.

 

[Tim K]

I see it as a hermit who wears simple/plain clothes in order to blend-in, no ornaments, no colors to stand out in the crowd. Minding his own business without attracting attention [36]