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Steps of change - changing lines of the relating hexagram

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Hi Everyone,

When using steps of change, do you consult the judgment/image of the changing hexagram only or read the line it changes to as well?

For instance, if I get a hexagram 30.1.2, should I view:

30.1 > 56 judgment/image, plus line 1 (as it corresponds to 30.1)
30.2 > 14 judgment/image, plus line 2

When I get hexagrams with just one changing line, I get a lot of insight from the changing line of the relating hexagram. But for multiple changing lines it gets complicated. The thing is that the meaning is often very different if I consult just the image or if I view the image and the line.

I was wondering what's your approach.

Thanks!
Viola
 

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Hi Viola,

My understanding is that the changing line is usually read in its original hexagram.

However, there are many methods—Elvis (the resident here, not the one who turned 74 yesterday) says, regarding which bits of which texts to consider: "it's a dog's breakfast".

There's a page devoted to the various methods here:
http://www.russellcottrell.com/Virtu...alks/rules.htm
where you might find confirmation of your approach.

More experienced or more consistent users may be more helpful.
 

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In the steps of change, Viola, the way I i understand it is you would take 30.1 to 56 and then look at 56.2 leading to 50.
30.1.2 > 50
30.1 > 56.2 > 50
 
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Hi Everyone,

When using steps of change, do you consult the judgment/image of the changing hexagram only or read the line it changes to as well?

For instance, if I get a hexagram 30.1.2, should I view:

30.1 > 56 judgment/image, plus line 1 (as it corresponds to 30.1)
30.2 > 14 judgment/image, plus line 2

When I get hexagrams with just one changing line, I get a lot of insight from the changing line of the relating hexagram. But for multiple changing lines it gets complicated. The thing is that the meaning is often very different if I consult just the image or if I view the image and the line.

I was wondering what's your approach.

Thanks!
Viola

Hi Viloa,

The changed line of the resulting hexagram is generally called the Fan Yao, and I believe it was coined by Bradford. It's generally not referred to, but it can be, within a more subtle framework. I would not take a Fan Yao as being applicable for the time, but it's likely to relate to the circumstance indirectly.
 

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The target of the link above was abbreviated; here it is again:
russellcottrell.com/VirtualYarrowStalks/rules.htm

I have not come across any published references to the changed lines in the resulting hexagram; but that doesn’t mean that you can’t find a use for them. A number of authors, going back to Chu Hsi, use the unchanged lines in the resulting hexagram if there are 4 or 5 moving lines.

—Russell
 

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I would not take a Fan Yao as being applicable for the time, but it's likely to relate to the circumstance indirectly.

Or it can help to account for the symbolism, as at 32.5.
 
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Hadn't made that specific association before. But in general, yes, can see that.
 

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Thank you, All! A few times the changing line in the resulting hexagram was very precise and made a lot sense. Then, other times it just totally confused me... I refer to it sometimes now but pay most attention to the judgement of the changing hexagram.

Bradford, I don't think I understood your last comment: "Or it can help to account for the symbolism, as at 32.5." How did you get 32.5 from 30.1.2? Thanks! :)
 

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Bradford, I don't think I understood your last comment: "Or it can help to account for the symbolism, as at 32.5." How did you get 32.5 from 30.1.2? Thanks! :)

That had just come up on a parallel thread, how the Fan Yao sometimes uses the same imagery or has a similar theme, so one of its uses is in figuring out the meaning of the original line. No relevance other than that.
 

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After getting a result (with moving lines), click “Advanced.” Scroll through the results; about 2/3 down is Anti-hexagram, then Fan yao, then Balance hexagram, Shadow site, and Reversed trigrams.
 

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After getting a result (with moving lines), click “Advanced.” Scroll through the results; about 2/3 down is Anti-hexagram, then Fan yao, then Balance hexagram, Shadow site, and Reversed trigrams.

OK - thanks.
I wouldn't have thought to use them in that way. For me they only relate to single changing lines, and therefore only in the context of the transitional hexagrams. I use them only as an on-again, off-again clue to why the line were written the way they were, or to what the images refer to.
 

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O.K., try it now. Besides the global set of lines for the transformed hexagram, I added one for each of the transitional hexagrams and steps of change; they are now located after the steps of change. (All things to all people.)
 

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O.K., try it now. Besides the global set of lines for the transformed hexagram, I added one for each of the transitional hexagrams and steps of change; they are now located after the steps of change. (All things to all people.)

Impressive and ambitious. I like your site. I do favor the coin probabilities though.
I'm still amused at how our children grow up and leave home and get lives of their own.
I won't be around to see what eventually becomes of the fan yao idea. Mondo Secter and I also co-discovered transitional hexagrams back in the mid-seventies and odd things have become of that already too. Dr. Secter named them in English but I'm calling them 仲卦 zhong4 gua4.
 

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