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Hello fellow diviners!

I am still struggling with an issue I started a thread about a while ago
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=13460

Just to share a bit more, this problem is health related, and it's started a couple of months ago. There has been an initial improvement, which I thought would be enduring; instead, it's been followed recently by a significant deterioration, and the measures I am taking are proving insufficient.

So I asked the Yi to give me insight on this situation, and received 57.1,3,6 > 60 - The Gentle to Limitation.

I read this combination as an invitation to take a constant, systematic approach to the problem without expecting big results in the short run.

I'll be grateful for any help in understanding :bows:
 
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Hi Cris, pls excuse my ignorance but are you male or female? Because
if you are female, the whole issue sounds to me to be related to some
hormonal imbalance, mainly due to stress (which releases nasties into
the system, which upset the hormonal balance). Mind you, this could
be the case even if you're male, however women are more prone to this
sort of stuff. Sounds like your best bet is find ways for relaxation (58:2)
and the rest will fall into place and balance out eventually (63)? Eating
lots of pulses and veg and fruit, plus extra vitC also help in my opinion.
Also don't give up on your existing good habits.
 

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Hexagram 57 is about authority, and the Judgment says to see the great man. Consult a healthcare professional.
 

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Thank you!

Hi Diamanda, thanks so much for your response, and for looking back at my other readings on this matter! I am female, and my hormones have been playing funny for quite some time... I had in fact myself thought the symptoms I am currently having could be related to some hormonal change - which honestly would be quite scary :eek: since these problems are all but a quick fix. The other suggestions you give all resonate - although stress is not higher than its usual high :D and food is something I usually am very careful about. Do you think the last casting sheds additional lights on this matter?

Tom, thank you for your input. I must admit I am not familiar with hex 57 and 60 so I am finding it harder to grasp the Yi's message this time. Also, I could not find any thread in the archives relating to this combination... I am definitely considering consulting a specialist, especially if I keep seeing no improvement.
 
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You're right, such issues unfortunately don't have a quick fix, and stress has
a cumulative effect which can result in all sorts of bizarre symptoms.

Your readings point to the fact that yes there is a hidden problem, and most
of them seem to advise non-action, and taking small steps only, till fire and
water balance themselves out (63). The 58.2 > 17 reading speaks of two
adjacent lakes (one more reason why i believe this is hormone related), and
advises trust, joy, following, 17 is also about relaxation and rest. 2 of course
is also about acceptance and inaction.

So your latest reading sounds to me quite similar to all the above.

57.1, someone who is in conflict, and finds it difficult to take action.
57.3, someone changing over and over, not sticking with a course of action.
57.6, someone who tries to deal with hidden things to the point of misfortune.

All these lines show stress, frustration, overthinking, and i think 60 points to
the need to limit all that. Mind you, hidden lines here are both referring to a
difficult and frustrating relationship, with separation and all words and no
action (9.3 and 61.6). Either you are stressing out in general, or a partner
is stressing you out with their erratic behaviour, or you are stressing out
over this particular issue (or all together!) - in any case none of the lines
is favourable, and the resulting 60 shows the need to limit all this, so as
to "contain the water", to regulate it and keep it within limits (i've had
personal experience of very similar sort with 'water' answers). So overall
it sounds to me like you mainly need to rest and destress and try not to
worry (easier said than done obviously!).
 
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PS - your latest question, 'insight into the situation', sounds somewhat
confusing, as it might be taken as both "what is going on" and "what
to do". Perhaps you could ask a couple more direct questions, eg
"what is the cause of this problem", and "what's the best i can do
to eliminate the problem" (just suggestions, you know best what you
feel like asking).
 

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Thank you diamanda!

Diamanda, just wanted to send a big thank you for your informative reply :) I'll get back to you shortly - I first need to let it settle and then read it over (the "contain the water" message needs some elaboration within the specific context of my issue).

With regard to the way the question was posed, well, I've asked the Yi in many different ways :D but looks like its replies have been sort of consistent (still totally confusing to me!). I wouldn't want to ask again until I'm clear over the insight I've received so far.

Will keep you posted!
 

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Hi Cris,

There is something that you are doing or eating that you need to limit out of your diet. I get the feeling that its salt (mainly) which sodium is in alot of foods we do not realize (not just in the shaker) I would ask that your doctor refer you to a dietician. Its amazing the impact of our diets how they have on our bodies. I personally need to be drinking a heck of alot more water. That caught up with me just recently with a bladeder infection, that I am prone to easily get because of a tubal pregnancy I had years ago. What we eat makes the hormones & additives in our bodies that works our organs. You need to balance your meals out & in turn your body will again start being balanced once again.
 

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(...) There is something that you are doing or eating that you need to limit out of your diet. I get the feeling that its salt (...)

:eek:

This rings a HUGE bell. In the past couple of years I have become a massive salt consumer - for no apparent reason, though I'm sure there must be a chemical cause behind this craving. My mother made exactly the comment quoted above, WO, just a few days ago. Whether salt is the actual cause of my current symptoms or not, cutting down on it is a must, as well as drinking a hell lot of more water like you suggest. I recently had a kidney stone (there's a thread on it in this forum) and that certainly was a very painful alarm call!

Thanks ;)
 

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(...) hidden lines here are both referring to a
difficult and frustrating relationship, with separation (...)

This suddenly reminded me that, indeed, there is a relationship I may have stressed out about recently - yes, a sort of separation. Consciously I have not given it a lot of importance and have moved on, however I'm way too familiar with the unconscious long term effects of this kind of changes. This too could well be a contributing factor to my health issue.
 

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In the past couple of years I have become a massive salt consumer - for no apparent reason, though I'm sure there must be a chemical cause behind this craving.

I had to stop using salt last year, and it wasn't hard for me to do because I grow about half of my vegetables and do my own cooking. I used Mrs. Dash (a salt-free herbal seasoning) at first and found it helpful until I adjusted to food without salt, but now I use just pepper. Instead of canned vegetables, I now use frozen vegetables. They are mostly free of salt. Frozen garden peas have some, but it is only a fraction of what is in canned peas. I have found that tomatoes when cooked with other vegetables eliminate the need for salt.
 

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Thanks for your post Tom. That is my plan too: herbs and spices to replace the extra salt. However, with my frequent travelling and the consequent eating out, it's not easy to control my salt intake. I've at least quit adding salt to all dishes (that has been my habit in the past few years). I don't want blood pressure to become an issue in the future.
 

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There has been no improvement in the past 10 days to my issue: I am still stuck :brickwall:

So I took Diamanda's advise and asked more directly:
Q.: What is going on with this issue?
R.: Hex 11 unchanging.

Flow, passing through. A clear omen of progress. My recent experience with 11 has in fact been very positive - in two readings I got it as the relating hex and both situations were solved rapidly with limited to no effort on my side. How to read it though when it is unchanging? Is the Yi saying: no worries, this will soon pass and things will go back to normal, or is it saying: be at peace and don't think about it for now?

Any help will be precious :bows:
 

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Hello fellow diviners!

I am still struggling with an issue I started a thread about a while ago
http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/showthread.php?t=13460

Just to share a bit more, this problem is health related, and it's started a couple of months ago. There has been an initial improvement, which I thought would be enduring; instead, it's been followed recently by a significant deterioration, and the measures I am taking are proving insufficient.

So I asked the Yi to give me insight on this situation, and received 57.1,3,6 > 60 - The Gentle to Limitation.

I read this combination as an invitation to take a constant, systematic approach to the problem without expecting big results in the short run.
I'll be grateful for any help in understanding :bows:

I haven't read other responses here so my answer is not influenced by them but this answer shouts to me that you are over analysing and dwelling on this.

I think its about the opposite advice to your interpretation underlined. Look at the lines.

Line 3 is invariably about repeatedly going over old ground, not accepting, pressing and pressing for a solution. 57.6 shows you actually getting lost in the very act of trying to penetrate. Lines 1 and 6 move here....the 57 is all wrapped up in the 60 so this says clearly to me you need to put some limits on penetrating this issue. You have gone as far as you can go in trying to discover what its all about, looking for all the possible reasons and so on. Don't go looking for more. Its like trying to tracj a shadow under the bed, you make the problem bigger the more attention and mystery you give it. Stop looking at it

I don't know what the health issue is having not read the other thread so that answer may not be appropriate...I'll go check but to me it seems a clear answer really not to keep on trying to penetrate this its really not helping and could be exacerbating the condition


I'm wondering why you think a constant approach would be good in lightof 57.3 and 57.6 ? These lines don't say yes go on constantly systematically analysing this...they say don't do this


With this answer I think it would be best to leave things as you have bought them so far...leave it alone a while. Obviously if its serious you need a Dr but if you do consult a dr stay with his diagnosis/treatment for a time rather than rooting around looking for other possible causes
 
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checked link to your previous thread and theres no clue to what the problem is as far as I can see.


I think this problem will get more and more tricky the more you seek shadows under the bed...you are looking further and further for possible dangers and solutions...its just time to stop and put a limit on that
 

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Thank you for your input Trojan!

My interpretation of 57 > 60 came from the meaning of the hexagrams, and was not relating to the issue analysis but to its solution: constant, subtle penetration (of a therapy) bringing to limit the unpleasant symptoms I am experiencing. There are no shadows under the bed since unfortunately this health problem is objectively manifesting, so I am just trying to find a way to eliminate it.

I wonder if your interpretation of 57 > 60 as "leave it alone" would be in line with the last casting, 11 unchanging... any clues?
 

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Thank you for your input Trojan!

My interpretation of 57 > 60 came from the meaning of the hexagrams, and was not relating to the issue analysis but to its solution: constant, subtle penetration (of a therapy) bringing to limit the unpleasant symptoms I am experiencing. There are no shadows under the bed since unfortunately this health problem is objectively manifesting, so I am just trying to find a way to eliminate it.

I wonder if your interpretation of 57 > 60 as "leave it alone" would be in line with the last casting, 11 unchanging... any clues?

'shadows under the bed' does not mean the health problem is not objectively manifesting. One can have all manner of symptoms, I have had and known many others have had symptoms where no actual cause can be found. Sometimes, especially with pain the nerve ending can become so sensitized they misinterpret any stimulation as a pain.

For example I had excrucuating pain in my nose...had it checked out, had a scan and when the results came i could see a picture of beautifully clear sinuses etc. I could see there actually was nothing wrong. I was told one can get the equivalnent of IBS in the nose..or anywhere really. In IBS theres nothing terribly wrong its just the contractions of the gut going ballistic.


The really weird things was after I'd seen a picture of my healthy nose...the pain stopped :confused: I tell to you the mind body connection is a weird and wonderful thing. Seems as soon as my anxiety about it stopped the pain, which was very real indeed (!) stopped :confused:

I'm not assuming I know anything about your symptoms which could be serious for all I know....I'm actually just looking at what the reading says to me, which is stop looking and looking because you are over penetrating (lines 3 and 6) and when you over penetrate you make alot of self irritation (57.3) and you also lose the power to discriminate (57.6) 57.6 is like when you look at a problem so long you can't see clearly anymore, you lost the power of decision. Thats why I feel it would pay to hold of the search for a while...by the reading.

Obviously if its serious you need a medical opinion...and i'd say keep with that for a while anyway. Not knowing what the condition is makes it pretty hard to answer really.


As for the 11 unchanging its movement, life, energy, flux, shifts. To be honest it doesn't tell me alot, its like a bit of a blank card. Maybe you and the 'issue' aren't seperate. Theres not something going on with 'it' its just your own life energy ?


No intent to be flippant BTW I'm just going by the reading whilst not knowing what the issue is


BTW 57>60 is more set a limit on seeking out the hidden casues of this. Afford it a limited amount of attention., for now. Know when to stop inner agitation about it. Know what the boundaries of the search are.
 
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Thank you for your input Trojan!

My interpretation of 57 > 60 came from the meaning of the hexagrams, and was not relating to the issue analysis but to its solution: constant, subtle penetration (of a therapy) bringing to limit the unpleasant symptoms I am experiencing. There are no shadows under the bed since unfortunately this health problem is objectively manifesting, so I am just trying to find a way to eliminate it.

I wonder if your interpretation of 57 > 60 as "leave it alone" would be in line with the last casting, 11 unchanging... any clues?

Ooops didn't read this properly...I see this wasn't about analysis but solution...but aren't the 2 tied together ? Even if about the chosen solution it would seem to me, by the lines, the solution wouldn't involve continuing on with the penetration of 57. the penetration of 57 is gentle , persistent , far reaching. 53.3 and 53.6 show such a penetration misapplied IMO

Because lines 1 and 6 move together this sometimes shows IMO that the thing asked about is like an entire episode in itself, its own story. In that case one could see the reading as the therapy has its uses within limits...but then again I feel the 57.3 and 57.6 together show too much penetrating somewhere. For example if this were about psychotherapy one might say the therapist is actually delving too much and creating more confusion etc etc.

Hmmm anyway just my opinion.... lots of others to consider too :)
 

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I appreciate your input, Trojan. I have certainly been trying hard to understand ('penetrate') the origin of these symptoms in order to better address them, and maybe there's little to comprehend or be done but wait. As you hint, this could well be an episode in itself (hopefully isolated!).

Anyway probably out of stubborness :D and following again the advise received on here I asked:
Q.: What's the best thing to do about my symptoms?
A.: 40.1,4 > 19

It sounds to me like an auspicious omen. Wilhelm says "tensions and complications begin to be eased", and "we ought to make our way back to ordinary conditions as soon as possible" which is strikingly similar to what Tom said about my initial reading on this matter (35.4,6): return to the habits which helped you in the past. The image of 40 refers to mistakes forgiven: apparently something I have done has caused these symptoms, and line 4 confirms this. Line 1 is however favorable as should be hex 19... am I approaching the end of this issue?
 

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I appreciate your input, Trojan. I have certainly been trying hard to understand ('penetrate') the origin of these symptoms in order to better address them, and maybe there's little to comprehend or be done but wait. As you hint, this could well be an episode in itself (hopefully isolated!).

Anyway probably out of stubborness :D and following again the advise received on here I asked:
Q.: What's the best thing to do about my symptoms?
A.: 40.1,4 > 19

It sounds to me like an auspicious omen. Wilhelm says "tensions and complications begin to be eased", and "we ought to make our way back to ordinary conditions as soon as possible" which is strikingly similar to what Tom said about my initial reading on this matter (35.4,6): return to the habits which helped you in the past. The image of 40 refers to mistakes forgiven: apparently something I have done has caused these symptoms, and line 4 confirms this. Line 1 is however favorable as should be hex 19... am I approaching the end of this issue?

I don't think it says that. It just points to release, very simple and easy release by the look of it (40.1) from all the tension about the symptoms. 40.4 doesn't ask you to carry on as before with whatever worked before, quite the reverse, it asks you to let go of how you think solutions should come, usual approaches and so on.

I'd think you are coming to the end of this as an issue although you do have to make a conscious effort with 40.4 IMO to not demand that things are resolved in the way you think they should be tackled. Often 40.4 is where one has a for example a problem one believes can only be resolved by certains means. Letting go of that belief enable a much better handle on the problem and allows other solutions to present themselves.

I don't think the stuff abut forgiveness means one has done something wrong...just that where there was tension there is now release. Forgiveness may be one example of that but it doesn't have to mean you did something wrong to forgive
 

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I know it's an old thread but : Wow Diamanta you could be more to the point even if you answered to my own 57>60 and situation. Makes perfect sence! I am glad there people like you and others, (Tronjina, rosada etc.) who try their best to help us, the ignorant and sites like this
 

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