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thunders

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hi,
i asked the i-ching today "what would be the effect on my future if i commit suicide?" by future i mean if there is such thing as reincarnation or an afterlife.
I recieved the hexagram 61 with changing line 5, turning into 41.
can anyone help me with this reading? i'm pretty new to the i-ching. please no answers about why suicide is wrong, i just want some help with what the reading says. thanks.
 
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Hi Thunders

First of all, I respect your own way. I won't "psycoanalize" you, neither give you moral advice.

One rule about Yi Jing, that many people doens't take into account, is that Yi Jing NEVER speaks about the future before solving the present. That's why is wise start any dialogue with the Yi Jing with a diagnosis of the present situation.

That said, there are 2 ways of understanding this answer: a) as a direct answer of your question; and b) as a diagnosis of your present situation.

(personally, as long as I know from what I had learn, it would be the second one, but I'll comment both)

a) (if I understand as direct answer): Execution of yourself (image of 61) because being void in the inner core (line 5) leads to diminishig your life (41).

b) (if I understand as present situation): you need to "avoid execution" (61) of yourself, constraining and diminishing your impulse (41). To achieve that, you need to find an inner straight, your inner truth (line 5)

I'll would say it again: I assume that the answer must be read as "b"

In any case, my best wishes for you
 

mudpie

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In thinking of dminishing your life, 41, consider what/who you link togther with. an act such as suicde necessarily links you with the realm of that sort of consciousness. despair and sorrow are most often the incentive of suicide. IMO, better to use the life in this current form to choose different mode. thats not moralizing, please understand! all the best to you
 

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61 THE IMAGE

Wind over lake: the image of INNER TRUTH.
Thus the superior man discusses criminal cases
In order to delay executions.


Whatever the nature of reincarnation or afterlife, the life you are in now is the link between where whatever you truly are has been and where whatever you truly are is going. The fifth line can be seen as the "you".

Nine in the fifth place means:
He possesses truth, which links together.
No blame.

This describes the ruler who holds all elements together by the power of his personality. Only when the strength of his character is so ample that he can influence all who are subject to him, is he as he needs to be. The power of suggestion must emanate from the ruler. It will firmly knit together and unite all his adherents. Without this central force, all external unity is only deception and breaks down at the decisive moment.


Here is a topic that explored some of the same questions. If the link does not work, it is called "What waits in hereafter?", last post May 6 02: http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/I_Ching_community/messages/6333/314.html?1020688680
 

dobro p

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61.5 says that capturing truth and connecting in this way is without fault. The application of this meaning to your question about ending your life is fairly straightforward, and doesn't need explaining, I think. But it's interesting to me that your question about the effect of your proposed suicide on your future life draws Hex 61, which is about capturing truth at the center of things, especially at the center of yourself. (The connection with Hex 41, Diminishing (or sacrifice) is completely expected - no surprises there.) I trust the Yi, and for some reason, I trust your consultation this time in relation to your question. The result you got startles me.
 

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Thunders, I'm curious. How do *you* view this answer?

Philippa
 

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