Sung top line

[diogatos]

I'm new here so hello everyone

Made a reading earlier and the future hexagram that I got was Sung. I understand that I should avoid conflict, but I just can't understand that top line. It is told:

"Nine at the top means: Even if by chance a leather belt is bestowed on one, by the end of a morning it will have been snatched away three times."

Does this mean that even if I avoid conflict but still "get what I want" i will lose what I got? More importantly, does it mean that the conflict cannot be avoided?

 

[pocossin]

How can it be repeatedly snatched away unless it is returned or recovered?

 

[diogatos]

You lost me there. Maybe I completely missed the message that Sung tried to say. In regard to my question to the oracle, I have nothing now. I understand that to "have it" I must avoid conflict, but what is Sung really telling me? Or are you suggesting that the top line is telling me that i will only lose - let's say - it if I give it away?
I would really like some insight in all the Sung lines, it really got me riddled.

Thanks for the answer!

 

[Trojina]

I'm new here so hello everyone

Made a reading earlier and the future hexagram that I got was Sung. I understand that I should avoid conflict, but I just can't understand that top line. It is told:

"Nine at the top means: Even if by chance a leather belt is bestowed on one, by the end of a morning it will have been snatched away three times."

Does this mean that even if I avoid conflict but still "get what I want" i will lose what I got? More importantly, does it mean that the conflict cannot be avoided?

Not sure what you mean by 'future hexagram' ? It's not always a prediction just a picture of how things are. if you got hexagram 6, line 6, then efforts can be wasted if as soon as you win something it is taken back from you. The leather belt I think usually refers to esteem or some kind of reward.

In your shoes I would just think carefully about how much effort you put into something. The relating hexagram is 47, it can be wearying to win something you want only to have to keep winning it back.

All it is often saying is that this is something you have to keep on struggling to get....and once you have it it doesn't remain yours, you have to keep working to get it back.

Is it worth it ? Often it's a good idea to rethink this thing you want to get so much. I think the line asks you to transcend the struggle, the wish to get this. You can actually go beyond it, probabaly to bigger more fulfilling aspirations.

I've seen it mean the wish to gain someone's esteem. If you keep trying to gain someone's esteem and sometimes they give it but then they take it away next day you may think to yourself "is this really what I want...to be always fighting for this bit of recognition ?" or whatever it is and you might free yourself from that wish and go a bit higher.

For example suppose you are always trying to make your mother pleased with you. Sometimes she is but then she goes back to not being pleased. Is it a good idea to go on spending your life trying to make your parent happy with you OR is it a better idea to seek a truer reward, maybe your own self esteem.

Whatever it is your are struggling to find, rethink it.

Have a look at the 'learn' section here, there is a free course. http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/ I advise you to drop the idea that there is a 'future hexagram' as it's quite misleading.

The question to ask yourself here is "what am I struggling to attain ?" and "is this a worthy goal or should I change course in where I look for reward ?"

 

[Owlietta]

I also got 6,6 and I just posted my question in this forum about it. It accurately describes how I have been finding places to live, then not having it work out for me, for the past 5 or 6 months.

I was wondering if it was a prediction of the future, or just an accurate statement of how things have been, regarding the issue I asked about.

 

[Trojina]

I just answered you . Sometimes it may be a prediction or describing how things are, yes. But even so I still think it's advising a bit of a rethink about what it is you are trying to achieve overall.

 

[diogatos]

I'm new to this so I know little, but from what I read:

"The future hexagram
The future hexagram reflects the outcome of the several tendencies working in the actual hexagram, and represents the situation towards which its subject is moving.
The time this process will take depends first and foremost on the time span implied in the question. Asking the best strategy for a job interview on the next day is another matter than asking the prospects for a relation over the next three years. So you yourself are the prime factor in this respect, and indicating a time span along with the question is good strategy.
Secondary factors regarding time can be read from the nature of the actual hexagram and from the relative positions of the hexagrams in the connexion.
Keeping the time factor in mind, the nature of the developing situation can be read from the image, the judgement and the commentary of the future hexagram.
To a lesser degree the lines may be taken into account, but if there were nines in the actual hexagram, special attention should be given to the waxing influences on the corresponding young yin lines in the future hexagram."

That's why I said future hexagram. I'll take a look at what you recommended later so I try to understand I Ching's reading better. And from what you said, maybe my question to the oracle was a little too vague. I asked what the future had in mind for me and another person. Well, the conflict point hit right on spot but maybe it's not what I really want,right?

 

[Trojina]

"The future hexagram
The future hexagram reflects the outcome of the several tendencies working in the actual hexagram, and represents the situation towards which its subject is moving.
The time this process will take depends first and foremost on the time span implied in the question. Asking the best strategy for a job interview on the next day is another matter than asking the prospects for a relation over the next three years. So you yourself are the prime factor in this respect, and indicating a time span along with the question is good strategy.
Secondary factors regarding time can be read from the nature of the actual hexagram and from the relative positions of the hexagrams in the connexion.
Keeping the time factor in mind, the nature of the developing situation can be read from the image, the judgement and the commentary of the future hexagram.
To a lesser degree the lines may be taken into account, but if there were nines in the actual hexagram, special attention should be given to the waxing influences on the corresponding young yin lines in the future hexagram."

I should put that in the bin. There is no 'future hexagram'.

this may help http://onlineclarity.co.uk/answers/2013/06/01/the-old-resulting-hexagram-conundrum/

 

[diogatos]

I'm reading through the basics and now I have a doubt...
In a hexagram there is Judgement text, Image text and the 6 Lines text. From what I understand from this site's explanation is that the non-changing lines' texts from the primary hexagram don't matter, only the Judgement, Image and 'Old' lines texts matter.
And regard to the hexagram that we get from changing the old lines to young ones, only the judgement and image texts matter for reading.
Am I correct?

 

[Trojina]

I'm reading through the basics and now I have a doubt...
In a hexagram there is Judgement text, Image text and the 6 Lines text. From what I understand from this site's explanation is that the non-changing lines' texts from the primary hexagram don't matter, only the Judgement, Image and 'Old' lines texts matter.

That's right. People often do things their own way but mostly one doesn't need to consider non changing lines

And regard to the hexagram that we get from changing the old lines to young ones, only the judgement and image texts matter for reading.
Am I correct?

Yes.

 

[Trojina]

And from what you said, maybe my question to the oracle was a little too vague. I asked what the future had in mind for me and another person. Well, the conflict point hit right on spot but maybe it's not what I really want,right?

It sounds like just when you think you made progress with this person there's a set back, they keep changing their mind maybe ? Whatever it is you are struggling to make happen there's frustration because just as you think you are winning you lose again and so it goes on

you win
you lose
you win
you lose

In the end you may think it's a waste of energy and look for another way to go about things.

 

[diogatos]

What's the idea on why we should ignore the non-changing lines? For example, on the subject of this topic, the primary hexagram I got was Lu and the non-changing lines made sense to my situation, so why should I ignore them?

 

[diogatos]

On your last response, it all made more sense now, but after reading some more about the I Ching, the Sung lines should'nt really matter, right? Since Sung was gotten via Lu (with changing line only at the bottom)...

 

[Trojina]

well you didn't cast them. You only read the changing lines you cast. If you want to read them read them all read them all, it's up to you.


I think perhaps you should email Hilary and ask to do her course as it would be silly for me to try to explain everything here.

 

[Trojina]

Here's Hilary's course http://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/learn/course/

 

[Trojina]

On your last response, it all made more sense now, but after reading some more about the I Ching, the Sung lines should'nt really matter, right? Since Sung was gotten via Lu (with changing line only at the bottom)...

If the changing line is at the bottom that is line 1 changing not line 6 changing

So what you got was hexagram 10 with line 1 changing to hexagram 6

This would be written as 10.1>6

which is quite a different reading to the one you thought you had. The advice for 10.1 is basically to keep things simple. So no the lines for hexagram 6 don't matter.

 

[diogatos]

Is 10.1 , hexagram 10 - line 1? Or is there deeper meaning to the written method?
Let me go through all of the basics and then i'll catch up to Hillary's course.
Thank you for the insight by the way!

 

[Trojina]

Is 10.1 , hexagram 10 - line 1? Or is there deeper meaning to the written method?
Let me go through all of the basics and then i'll catch up to Hillary's course.
Thank you for the insight by the way!

Yes here we would write hexagram 10 with the first line changing as 10.1>6. It changes to hexagram 6.