taking an action

[yamabushi]

Question; what can I expect if I take this action?
Answer; 52.6>15
Does it mean that I dont take that action at all or it mean that I have to calm myself and act and I will achieve modest succses?

 

[icastes]

When you see something going wrong, then correct it. Be watchful and careful. If you do that, then you will have success. 15 is a very good hexagram for success.

 

[shmemily]

I think it means you might not see direct effect at first or not as much as you might anticipate from taking the action, but that the effects however modest, will be good.

 

[yamabushi]

So in any case, taking an action will not cause misfortune or danger?
So hexagram 52 in this case does not advice taking no action at all?

 

[ginnie]

Stop Thinking

The mind must be completely still first, before taking any action.

Hexagram 52 advises you to sit in meditation, you know. Do you know how to meditate? If not, now would be a great time to learn how.

H52 has the meaning of knowing when to act and when to keep still. Only when the mind is completely quiet do we know (1) what to do; and (2) when to do it.

The IC has advised you to stop thinking, so that inspiration and the right time to do things can come to you.

 

[willowfox]

Question; what can I expect if I take this action?
Answer; 52.6>15

It suggests that your action will lead to serenity and calm.

 

[pocossin]

What can I expect if I take this action?
52.6 > 15

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Hexagram pictures: Double Mountain, Cock

Overall judgment: Like a cock crowing in a high place, taking action will give you an overview of the situation, and you will look good.

Text:

52J
Keeping Still. Keeping his back still
So that he no longer feels his body.
He goes into his courtyard
And does not see his people.
No blame.

Others may not recognize your achievement at first.

52I
Mountains standing close together:
The image of Keeping Still.
Thus the superior man
Does not permit his thoughts
To go beyond his situation.

One thing at a time.

52.6
Nine at the top means:
Noblehearted keeping still.
Good fortune.

Hold your position even if there is opposition.

15J
Modesty creates success.
The superior man carries things through.

Get going.

 

[yamabushi]

Hy!

I take an action before I read last couple of posts.
Result; pure misfortune.
Then: fortune, and new option is open.

Now I m confused. I think that ginnie was right on my pm, It was mistake to take an action, advice has been to stay still...

 

[gato]

Hy!



Now I m confused. I think that ginnie was right on my pm, It was mistake to take an action, advice has been to stay still...

Noblehearted keeping still.
Good fortune.
why are you confused ? it can't get clearer than this

 

[yamabushi]

Noblehearted keeping still.
Good fortune.
why are you confused ? it can't get clearer than this

So final answer is; I should stay still and then it would be good fortune?

 

[ginnie]

We're always thinking: What can I do?

If you follow the IC, after a while you'll get better at not leaping ahead into action impulsively.

 

[gato]

So final answer is; I should stay still and then it would be good fortune?

The superior man carries things through, reinforcing stillness.

Good fortune could mean avoiding misfortune.

 

[maremaria]

Hy!

I take an action before I read last couple of posts.
Result; pure misfortune.
Then: fortune, and new option is open.

Now I m confused. I think that ginnie was right on my pm, It was mistake to take an action, advice has been to stay still...

I would go on if it were my reading , but this is just me

Perhaps the "furtune" you mentioned was the result of 15 . Brad calls 15 authenticity. Perhaps what you did , sprang from your core. ( 52.6)

once i got 52.6 and it didn't make sense, so I imagined I was climbing the mountain till i reached the top. WOW !!!. Peace and quite. I can't say in words what 52.6 means, but i know the feeling.

 

[willowfox]

Question; what can I expect if I take this action?
Answer; 52.6>15

Your question was about what would happen once you do it, it doesn't matter whether the lines said to stay still or whatever, you were asking what would be the outcome of your premeditated action.

Your answer was that the outcome would be for you to remain still and calm after your latest rebuff. I said that it will lead to peace of mind as it will, if you stop chasing and getting frustrated with her. The line is saying, now she that has told you to f... off again, it is time for you to chill out and keep quiet, relax, take a holiday as you seem to be constantly in trouble with someone or something. You were obviously being too pushy and not humble and sorry enough.

 

[willowfox]

Hy!

I take an action before I read last couple of posts.
Result; pure misfortune.
Then: fortune, and new option is open.

Now I m confused. I think that ginnie was right on my pm, It was mistake to take an action, advice has been to stay still...

First your question was not asking about the pros and cons of the action, your question was only asking about the outcome.


Now, lets get real, if your question was asking for advice, "like should I do what I am thinking of doing?", then the answer would have be a simple no. But you did not ask for advice! You wanted to know what would happen when you threw a stone at your neighbour's window. In this case you broke the window, but all is not lost as they didn't see you so you can relax and not do it again.

Misfortune? No!

Good fortune!

Because surely, even you can at last see the writing on the wall, therefore your answer indicates that you will find peace and tranquilly if you stop chasing the dragon.

 

[yamabushi]

First your question was not asking about the pros and cons of the action, your question was only asking about the outcome.


Now, lets get real, if your question was asking for advice, "like should I do what I am thinking of doing?", then the answer would have be a simple no. But you did not ask for advice! You wanted to know what would happen when you threw a stone at your neighbour's window. In this case you broke the window, but all is not lost as they didn't see you so you can relax and not do it again.

Misfortune? No!

Good fortune!

Because surely, even you can at last see the writing on the wall, therefore your answer indicates that you will find peace and tranquilly if you stop chasing the dragon.

Hmmm...
Maybe, but maybe answers from Yi are not always straightforward. Maybe ot was really an advice, not the oracle about outcome.
Did you, or anybody obtain the answer about outcome that prove wrong?

Btw, I asked; what can I expected now, answer: 11.2.3>24
Line 3 looks that everything is undecided?
Is 24 positive hexagram in this case? Thus it mean final resolution of problems or something else?

 

[ginnie]

H24 is the turning point. You have reversed your thinking.

You are now paying attention to the interests of others -- not simply pursuing your own interests.

 

[yamabushi]

H24 is the turning point. You have reversed your thinking.

You are now paying attention to the interests of others -- not simply pursuing your own interests.

How do you mean it?
So it is not good oracle?

 

[yamabushi]

How do you mean it?
So it is not good oracle?

Come on people, help the rookie...

 

[ginnie]

In my opinion, it's a good oracle. Were you asking about a job, by the way? If so, this is an exceptionally good oracle, because you'll make money at it.

I would like you to tell me what I Ching book you are using. Please read what it says under hexagram 11, Peace and Flourishing.

The hexagram means to me that you have dropped ill-will towards people who may be your so-called superiors or bosses. It also means that your superiors or bosses will be very well disposed towards you at this time. So, things will work out well for everybody concerned.

Line 2 means to me that you decide to benefit other people when they don't know it -- or from a hidden position.

Line 3 signifies not thinking so much about the future. Just live right now -- 'in the moment,' as the expression goes. After all, NOW is a time, too.

In fact, NOW is the only time that really is.

 

[ginnie]

To Clarify

I can't say in words what 52.6 means, but i know the feeling.

Maremaria has given a good example of H52.6 in practice.

H52.6 doesn't always mean not to move at all. It can mean either to move or to be still. Whatever movement you take or don't take with H52.6 arises out of a deep sense of peace.

 

[yamabushi]

Maremaria has given a good example of H52.6 in practice.

H52.6 doesn't always mean not to move at all. It can mean either to move or to be still. Whatever movement you take or don't take with H52.6 arises out of a deep sense of peace.

Thomas Cleary is advicing stopping with 52.6

 

[yamabushi]

if we look at hexagram 52, we see that it advicing diffrent stages of stopping, from feet to deep and honest spiritual stillness, so line 6 is ultimative stillness, stillness of feet, body, mouth, heart and everything....