The basic principle of Yi

[yly2pg1]

The basic principle of Yi:

(1)變易 - Everything is subject to CHANGE

=> ???

(2)簡易 - The simplicity of Change is in its dichotomy.

=> isomorphism


(3)不易 - CHANGE (in its dichotomical form) is a constant

=> Template (derived from the recursive dichotomy)

 

[yly2pg1]

Can anyone help?
What is ???

 

[jerryd]

(1). Everything is [subject] to change.=>???

Philosophically and gramatically identifying the word meaning of "Subject" and its companion "to",may be the key to answering your,=> ???.

Assuming "everything" is universally = to all known things,= to a class of things which include ideas and all things organic. Then, to asume,

Subject=all things can be changed into another thing or idea.

Subject to, = Change "which if applied" either consciously or by circumstance, forces the Subject(everything)to become what it is not.

the =>???^>= becomes a [duality] or an enigmatic other retaining a part of what is (everything) yet is (nothing) due to its conversion to a new species unknown because it has yet to be named.

So this =>??? becomes identified as Alien, or Nothing.

There for holds constant to the defination presented in you #(3)Change (is constant)

All things which go around come around? Sound famuliar? (1) =>? Karma??

 

[freewill]

hey this is my first post

back to you question,
Actually The three concepts are really easy to understand in chinese but in English, it looks more complicated. So learn chinese . Lol

here is my understanding
(1)??? Everthing changes in the universe.
(3)!???? Taiji does not change and remains
constant

(2)???? The world is complex ,but I ching has the ability to reduce them to the simplist form that you could understand, This form or process can be called ???? or simplicity.

Hope this helps

 

[yly2pg1]

All things which go around come around? Sound famuliar? (1) =>? Karma??

This strikes ... entropy!

Thanks Jerry.

 

[yly2pg1]

Quote:
here is my understanding
(1)??? Everthing changes in the universe.
(3)!???? Taiji does not change and remains
constant

(2)???? The world is complex ,but I Ching has the ability to reduce them to the simplist form that you could understand, This form or process can be called ???? or simplicity.



(1) -> (2) -> (3)

Everything changes in the universe, but Yi has the ability to reduce the changes into the simpliest form that we could understand, thanks to Taiji.

 

[jerryd]

By my nature, being a forced part of this world, I am worldy, I accept each day a difference, but without any understanding, a change. It is the nature of self preservation to almost never question change as it is inetivable. It is always when we can identify change with an explaination through a means,it becomes more or less palitable. Change is neither good nor bad it is just a necessity.
And yes this is what is called entropy, but in many cases the word brings out feelings of sudden violent change which is not necessarly true.

 

[yly2pg1]

And yes this is what is called entropy, but in many cases the word brings out feelings of sudden violent change which is not necessarly true.

Because reality is only a manifestation of dichotomies. Instead of denial and rejection of distinctions (e.g. good/bad, right/wrong etc etc), Yi prescribes a way called Dao, the unity between the Heaven and Earth (a Holy Trinity?).

 

[jerryd]

YES, A TRINITY OF ABSTRACTIONS, THERE IS THE ON GOING DEBATE IF ONE EXISTS THEN WHY NOT ALL SHADES OF GREY FROM 0 TO 1. A MAN NAMED BERTRAND RUSSELL TRIED DESPERATELY TO PROVE THROUGH SYMBOLIC LOGIC 1+1=2 AND IT ONLY TOOK HIM ABOUT 350 PAGES TO DO SO AND NEVER QUITE MANAGED TO DO IT TO HIS OWN SATISFACTION. HE WAS ONE OF THE WORLDS GREAT PHILOSOPHER MATHITICIANS AND I SOME WHAT AGREE IT MAY BE IMPOSSIBLE TO APPLY NUMBERS IN A WAY WHICH IS RELEVENT TO METAPHYSICAL PROPOSITIONS, NOT THAT I DO NOT BELIEVE, I JUST DO NOT KNOW. >....STILL LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH MY SELF!

 

[jesed]

Hi Yly2pg1

"Yi prescribes a way called Dao, the unity between the Heaven and Earth (a Holy Trinity?)"

According with traditional teachings, one can talks about Great Tao (unnamed Tao; something like God in cristianity), as the combination of "non-being" (Father) and being (Earth) and the first produced Son of Heaven, wich is Human(Crist).

This same expression can be found in hinduism, maths and quantic physics (of course, with its own lenguage and mythology each one)

Best wishes

 

[lightofdarkness]

Wu Chi - no extension (breathless)
Yi Chi - change of extension
T'ai Chi - huge extension (give it 'life')
yin/yang - what T'ai Chi turns into when held long enough in one's brain.

The hierarchy is such that the differentiating element changes into the integrating for the next level:

Yi Chi / Wu Chi
T'ai Chi / Yi Chi
Yin-Yang / T'ai Chi
YinANDYang / Yin-Yang
YinXORYang / YinANDYang
YinIMPYang / YinXORYang

(IMP = Z <= Y <= X) IMP is the only fully asymmetric operator and is reflected in the brain in the use of probabilities reasoning allowing us to work backwards.

The properties stem from the IDM template that reflects recursion of differentiating/integrating as the source of qualities used to describe and communicate meaning. Specialisations are where the qualities are relabelled to elicit a special language for a special context - be it hinduism or maths or QM - ALL metaphors for what our brains deal with. (in triadic models the realm of the relational is impoverished due to the focus on 'statics', on 'thingness'. Zoom-in on relational space and it has two distinct 'parts' - static relationships vs dynamic relationships. "Religious" thinking will often impoverish the dynamic since change needs to be avoided to maintain faith (hex 12 - http://members.iimetro.com.au/~lofting/IChingPlus/x111000.html )

Chris.

 

[yly2pg1]

(2)All Change (specialisations) can be "reduced" to the dynamics of dichotomies.

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In 'learning the qualities of the IC categories' I am not just focusing on hexagrams or trigrams or dodecagrams - I include the study of harmonics through the use of XOR dynamics.

If we go back to the really abstract level of IDM and 0s/1s so we gain understanding of the contribution to meanings made by the methodology - self-referencing of 0/1 (integrate/differentiate). In that process we set down a tool usable for analysis of any dichotomy and so fleshing-out that dichotomy - or using one to flesh-out the properties of another.

Since all specialisations will 'reduce' to the dynamics of dichotomies so we can quickly flesh-out the general goings-on without wasting too much time on learning the lingo 'in full'. That then sets down a stable, GENERAL, context from which we can develop further (or move on) where the basics of the specialisation are understood ( and their behaviour predictable in general).

 

[yly2pg1]

(3)CHANGE (in its dichotomic form) is a "regularity".

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Thus an IDM focus is abstract, sets-down the properties and methods of meaning derivation in the form of a template and THEN we move on to adding colour, as in the specialist perspectives where, due to all specialisations having the same general form, one can quickly pick-up what each specialist language is 'getting at'.

At the same time we can identify those specialisations that have well-developed some path through the template. Extract all of those 'well defined' paths, sum them, and out will pop a really good map of the 'regular' network behind all of these 'small world' networks. The issue then is restructuring the hybrid language that would also come out of this process.

 

[jerryd]

Ylypg2...is it safe to think in terms of a specialized dictionary of I-Ching jargon and idealize its content so the divineing reader is better understood? And if so, they will eventually have to re direct the reading into plain english or equilivent language so the questioner will grasp what is being said. I believe words in general can be more complex than necessary...to define "look for a negative turn in your path" needs no more explaination. To identify the negative we may have to become closer to the Devil or God than we may like?

 

[yly2pg1]

Indeed the ancient words of Yi can sometimes be complex that I find the materials in IDM is a good reference for better understanding.

Some major events happened in the past.
We lost the real image of the Devil and God.
And man personalizes his own image of God and Devil.

My God is in the process from 111111 to 000000, a road towards the unconditional - amidst a world of manifestations (between 000000 and 111111).

 

[jerryd]

As manifesting emerges for me in the world as I undrestand; this will not allow me to transcend nothing, which cannot exist, and everything, which is also and impossiblity. I will have to satisfy my humanness with a faith in knowing beyond all I may possibly ever know there will still be something els left to seek. The imbue between O1-me(mine) and O2-you(yours) ....May the cyphers and digits of the manifestions find a resting place with (you) in your sphere of understanding Yly2pg1./ blessed are the seekers as their search leaves a path for friends to follow.

 

[lightofdarkness]

The path of the 'superior' is to skill development to the level of operating smoothly in any context, immediate integration etc but also have the skill to extract oneself from a context. The path of 111111 to 000000 covers that in that each manifestation is a particular skill and the learning of those skills reduces one to 'filtering' the context - and so operating out of the realm of the unconditional.

(this path is reflected in the passage through hex 01 to its 'opposite' hex 02. The 63-ness of 01, covering the 'correct' nature in 01, is covered by hex 64 with its focus on 'never closing, remain open' etc and so perpetual training. The issue is then where we can be over-trained, where we CAN 'stop' and so trust our instincts (the filtering process))

The five-phase category of earth and mountain cover this focus on filtering - be it unconditionally (external sources or one's instincts - earth), or conditionally (internal sources, one's experiences))

With enough experiences, and so developed trust, we can move from mountain to earth.

Earth reflects absolute trust/faith in another/others. mountain reflects having experiences 'little' betrayals and so the conditional element. Water is where the betrayals are enough to put up a wall and become 'us' vs 'them'. Wind is where there is no trust anymore in others and all must be monitored..... Then there is the journey 'back' to absolute trust ;-))

The other thread, the yang thread, deals with absolute trust in self and moves from distrust (thunder) to total trust (and so potential hubris - heaven)

Chris.