the discoraging incoraging 45-> 31

[patro]

the discouraging encouraging 45-> 31

from a lot of time i have no more contact to a girl....
but you all know how is it when one have a kind of filling about a situation or a person... and after some night dreams, i taked the coins and asked:
what does she want from me?

i got a discouraging encouraging 45-> 31

well i think that my inner feeling-telepathy with here is confirmed.
the third line of 45 talk about a closed group for that one need an help to be readmitted in.
i have to join this person to can join the group.
but is that what and only what she want that i do? and why?

also i'm fine.. i do not want to be readmitted to this group.
anyway i want to hear your thought about

 

[pocossin]

What does she want from me?
45.3 > 31

You got the temple hexagram and the line of mourning: Gathering together amid sighs. This suggests a funeral or a memorial service. You are a creative person. Perhaps some artwork for a church, temple, or some other institution would get her attention.

 

[patro]

What does she want from me?
45.3 > 31

You got the temple hexagram and the line of mourning: Gathering together amid sighs. This suggests a funeral or a memorial service.

thank you Pocossin
so she want that i attend a wedding!
nothing more?

 

[pocossin]

nothing more?

Why not let your art speak for you and be your love letter? You are seeking to influence her. Temple changes to Influence. The outer trigram in both hexagrams is Mouth. The inner trigram of Temple is Earth (chaos, matrix) which changes to Mountain, a fixed definite form. Let your inner chaos express itself concretely. If you cannot communicate directly, you can communicate through art.

 

[patro]

Tank you Pocossin,
i understand now what she want from me, the occasion is the join the group for the same primarely reason.
that i'll be open so that she can come near to me.

here more about the line behaviour:
"Line 3 is the representative line of the inner upper trigram Xun (entrance, the wind), wherein the feminine line 3 prostrates itself beneath the masculine lines 4 and 5; however the one that it should join with is line 5, i.e. the upper one of the trigram Xun."

the line show the action of a female figure. this answer the question.

there is described her behavior related to the question, it's like to say that i have to join a person... so she can join both... while she would join me alone... but she can't directly or alone or without a pretense.
this is stupidly true
the goal of all this is explained in 31

thank you for taking the time to partecipate :bows:

 

[ace]

I might add a point to consider ... to take or leave.

45.3 >31 Within the context of persuasion/influence, flexibility and consistency are important. I have received 45.3 when I have been inconsistent or rigid in a social context. When my desire was consistent, but my expression was capricious, or worse, contrary. Or, when I have been too rigid, or non-empathic to the situation. So, regardless of how I felt, the instruction for me has been to stay consistently and slowly advancing on the social path. LISE's writes, "For a coherent whole one needs consistent perseverance. Do not find out if it works - make it work. Feelings will always be changeable, one cannot demand perfection and constancy. Just hold on to it."

Not sure it applies here ... much luck.

 

[patro]

Not sure it applies here ... much luck.

thank you Ace,
i think that your indication about the third line is correct and mostly it works that way.
the image explained by Pocossin is also another correct point of view.... each one can subsist at the same time.
this time was the answer and the context background a bit different... night dreams, feelings... like she was trying to get in touch with me... in a abstract way.
the question came from there... this was it's origin.

the question... what does she want from me?
more detailed it was like a:
-what does that i do for her?
or
-what does she want that heppen?
the yi decided to answer this way.... it's like that she want that something happen!
but actively she does wont do nothing actively.

 

[white owl]

thank you Ace,
i think that your indication about the third line is correct and mostly it works that way.
the image explained by Pocossin is also another correct point of view.... each one can subsist at the same time.
this time was the answer and the context background a bit different... night dreams, feelings... like she was trying to get in touch with me... in a abstract way.
the question came from there... this was it's origin.

the question... what does she want from me?
more detailed it was like a:
-what does that i do for her?
or
-what does she want that heppen?
the yi decided to answer this way.... it's like that she want that something happen!
but actively she does wont do nothing actively.

I just got this same Hex myself yesterday about someone who indirectly sent me beautiful pictures of an exotic island that he posted to his wall on Facebook for me to see (I had talked to him about my trip to Tahiti just the other day) and than about 50 people responded to the photo and his point/message he wanted to send me got watered down..did not become effective enough with all the responses of the other people. He was suprised himself that it drew that much attention..but in the mix of it all he was able to say that this is where, we could have our favorite drinks.

 

[patro]

yeah, that's what i meant...
the question and the background is what make every readings different from an other in which one get the same hexagrams.

one need to consider a lot of things before to answer.
as you can notice he used a pretest to get in touch with you... the images.... and through the image he asked you a date.

 

[modestlearner]

what does she want from me? i got a discouraging encouraging 45-> 31

Ok, I have a different read of this because you asked what does she WANT of you. There is only one changing line, so how about joining the hexes? Get together and Court. The third line only speaks about THE METHOD. So, this is my read:

She wants you to gather yourself together (lead the group) (45) and woo her (31) even if it means approaching a common friend to gain access to her (line 3).

Seriously, Patro. Life is too short. Fear shortens it. The worse outcome is what you are living now--wondering, isn't it???? Viva l'amore!

Modest Learner.

 

[Trojina]

the question carries the assumption that she wants something, therefore Yis hands are tied in answering because she may not want anything at all.

People are inventing elaborate motives, ascribing them to her with absolutley no basis whatsoever. 45.3 generally shows a scenario of gathering where one or both parties heart really isn't it, one can't force progress or expect too much, one has to be with it as it is for the time being which may not be terribly rewarding


Previous responses could by a fluke have some validity I suppose much the same way as people may find the right place to pin the tail on the donkey in the dark. She cudda been wanting this or she cudda be wanting that ...or third possibility she doesn't want anything at all which is a possibility not yet even allowed for.



I guess you could always ask her 'what do you want from me'. I guess she'd be puzzled if shes made no effort to contact you why you'd think she wanted something from you.

Probably the fact is you want something from her, thats why you are dreaming about her. So you have to figure what you want then test it out in reality by making an invitation. 45.3 doesn't look that great but it could be some kind of start I guess.

 

[Trojina]

I just got this same Hex myself yesterday about someone who indirectly sent me beautiful pictures of an exotic island that he posted to his wall on Facebook for me to see (I had talked to him about my trip to Tahiti just the other day) and than about 50 people responded to the photo and his point/message he wanted to send me got watered down..did not become effective enough with all the responses of the other people. He was suprised himself that it drew that much attention..but in the mix of it all he was able to say that this is where, we could have our favorite drinks.

well then if he wanted to say something to you why didn't he correspond with you personally rather through 'face book'...

 

[patro]

the question carries the assumption that she wants something, therefore Yis hands are tied in answering because she may not want anything at all.

People are inventing elaborate motives, ascribing them to her with absolutley no basis whatsoever. 45.3 generally shows a scenario of gathering where one or both parties heart really isn't it, one can't force progress or expect too much, one has to be with it as it is for the time being which may not be terribly rewarding


Previous responses could by a fluke have some validity I suppose much the same way as people may find the right place to pin the tail on the donkey in the dark. She cudda been wanting this or she cudda be wanting that ...or third possibility she doesn't want anything at all which is a possibility not yet even allowed for




I guess you could always ask her 'what do you want from me'

the question is more more open as you think.
oh there are a lot's of ways to answer that i'm wrong! that i'm asking the wrong question.
like first of all 38 followed by 33, 12, 21-> 35, 63-> 49, 58-> 54 i could add more.
but if you think that way i'll take it in considerations... my experience with 45-> 31 is different... but i'm also aware that each answer from the yi can be different.

 

[white owl]

well then if he wanted to say something to you why didn't he correspond with you personally rather through 'face book'...

He does.. That is your assumption that we only communicate through Facebook. He was wooing me indirectly. One example does not write the whole relationship.

 

[white owl]

He was trying to be clever, cute(I thought it was too) but the message didnt come through as he would have liked..(big sigh should give up on this approach) intensity levels are different for each person and situations as well as outcomes..this one is light but one can find similarities.

 

[patro]

He was trying to be clever, cute(I thought it was too) but the message didnt come through as he would have liked..(big sigh should give up on this approach) intensity levels are different for each person and situations as well as outcomes..this one is light but one can find similarities.

this is the message of the line, an indirect and low profile aproach... also the action of the female must be come at first.
each situation is different.. and to a different question you need to wrap the answer on it

 

[modestlearner]

the question carries the assumption that she wants something, therefore Yis hands are tied in answering because she may not want anything at all.

You are very right. Your point about it being Patro who wants something *from her* is also, IMO,correct. Trojan, what do you think of this: I am thinking that it is also true that it really doesn't matter whether it is her or him. Something is wanting to manifest itself here or Yi would have answered with a different hex or hexes to indicate nothing was going to happen here or that he needed to reconsider. IMO. What do you think?

Having said that, then, In my view, the Yi is saying GO FIND OUT.

Then, this is where I am openly inserting my own philosophy, don't let the fear of finding out keep you from the next great adventure.

That being said, Patro, why not ask: is there a possibility of a romantic relationship between x or y or if i pursued x romantically what can i expect her reaction to be, etc., etc....

 

[patro]

well... dunno if this make any sense... but i'm going to meet her with other in few days.
this is something that we both know... from long time a go before to toss the coins.

 

[Trojina]

You are very right. Your point about it being Patro who wants something *from her* is also, IMO,correct. Trojan, what do you think of this: I am thinking that it is also true that it really doesn't matter whether it is her or him. Something is wanting to manifest itself here or Yi would have answered with a different hex or hexes to indicate nothing was going to happen here or that he needed to reconsider. IMO. What do you think?

I think 45.3 often indicates nothing happening....someone wishes something to happen but it can't. I don't see that something is 'wanting to manifest here or Yi would answer differently' 45.3 describes perfectly seeking further intimacy with someone and not being able to reach it at this time and in Hilarys commentary I think she says something like this,see below. I think the answer is about Patro and his experience of wanting more intimacy with someone he meets within a group as he will do in a few days.

Of course it matters whether its about him or her since the relationship between him and her does not exist in space somewhere independently of either of them. One of them may have a different view of it to the other infact they must have since they are not openely communicating their feelings either way. We are in no position to think that the girl actually wants more of him but can't get it since that can't apply to her becasue she could get it if she wanted as he seems interested, so it has to apply to Patro. If you read Hilarys commentary I quoted below do you think it would apply to the Patro or to the girl ? It can't be about the girl becasue she has made no effort to contact him its only his dreams made him feel she wants something perhaps....and his dreams are his own wishes

Having said that, then, In my view, the Yi is saying GO FIND OUT.

Then, this is where I am openly inserting my own philosophy, don't let the fear of finding out keep you from the next great adventure.

That being said, Patro, why not ask: is there a possibility of a romantic relationship between x or y or if i pursued x romantically what can i expect her reaction to be, etc., etc....

I don't think Yi is particularly saying 'go and find out' though it seems the obvious common sense approach yes. I think 45.3 is a line of rueful consolation...if it were a mate it might say "look buddy I know you want more but it ain't happening just right now, slacken it off and just accept it for how it is right now'

I agree with you the answer should not stop Patro trying to win the girl...but thats nothing to do with Yis answer but the fact that he really won't know till he tries and if would be daft to take the word of a bunch of internet strangers over the expressed wishes of the girl herself. Plus I guess there is the angle that one needs to be a less of a whinger here, stop moaning, get on with things so surely some direct action may be a good thing ?.....and yet my expereince of 45.3 is its a connection one just can't quite make and the harder one tries the more disapointing it is and that actually any action is emotionally counter productive. Which is why I feel Hilary hit the nail on the head with her commentary on it which I may as well properly quote ;

This gathering is not harmonious- and because it is charged with such intense emotion you are acutely vulnerable here. The more you invest the more painful it gets. This is no longer a purposeful gathering: its become a drama with no positive choice you could make that could lead to acheivement. So rather than ask loaded questions about where this is going, it is more important just to keep going anyway. The story need not end here. You may feel as if you really ought to be acheiving more with this gathering-but hoping for more and making greater efforts is exactly what leads to lamenting.
From I Ching Walking your Path Creating your Future

There is no better commentary on this line IMO...Notice she says 'keep going anyway..' so its not that you have to totally give up on connection but it is a slog right now and its not promising anything.

well... dunno if this make any sense... but i'm going to meet her with other in few days.
this is something that we both know... from long time a go before to toss the coins.

it makes 45.3 make sense, as 45.3 can be refferring to the coming gathering.

 

[patro]

i think we need a bit order here, so i'll explain again for safety my questions and the background.
all begun with some

1- feelings about her... but not about i want her!.... it's more just a positive sensation from her => me, like something is changing. i'm talking about vibrations

2- night dreams in that she is not my lover.... but dreams in which the synbols are the ruler.

3- the upcomming meeting. known to both... and she knowed about my expected presence before me.

i'm not fall in love with her, i know that there is no big possibility for us due the situation itself.....

well, all this after more than 2 weeks made my ask the yi:
what does she want from me?

as i stated in other topics there is mostly a reason why it answer using some hexagrams.
this a think that stay on the basis of the comunications.